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08-31-2011, 04:18 PM
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It taught me that despite his great playoff performance, he's actually terrible in the playoffs

The clear course of action: Trade him to Toronto.
Why you gotta be like that Beef? I worked so hard on it!

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We could get Kadri though! Kadri!!!

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08-31-2011, 04:26 PM
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We could get Kadri though! Kadri!!!
Maybe they'll throw in Gustavsson, because we need a goalie!

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Some more devil's advocate I suppose...love the country-club player characterization of JVR before his coming out of sorts ..ouch!

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...nsion/45/37818
Good write up by Bill. This is a good signing people. Why don't we just try to enjoy it instead of *****ing and moaning about it. It was nice to see what Bill had to say about Claude. There is one of our members who does not think that about G. At least he will not admit it because he is never wrong about anything.

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08-31-2011, 06:10 PM
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One thing I like about this deal is that it eliminates a little bit of Holmgrens summer workload next year.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / ????
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($?.???m)
Sean Couturier (?.???m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / ????
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / ????
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000?; CAP PAYROLL: $51,842,000; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (15-man roster): $16,458,000

Still 5 players to sign (Voracek and Couturier are penciled in for now).

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How much longer is hartnell wasting space?

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wasting space?

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Yeah, I'd say we need to hang on to Hartnell at this point.

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One thing I like about this deal is that it eliminates a little bit of Holmgrens summer workload next year.

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,402,500

Still 5 players to sign (Voracek and Couturier are penciled in for now).
I don't know about eliminates, if JvR had signed a two- or even three year extension his cap hit would have been lower and that would have made it easier to re-sign Coburn and/or Carle or find a replacement (Suter!). Homer just made next summer harder for himself, but hopefully the years after that will become easier to handle than if JvR would have needed to be re-signed.

We also won't have that carry-over penalty next year.

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I don't know about eliminates, if JvR had signed a two- or even three year extension his cap hit would have been lower and that would have made it easier to re-sign Coburn and/or Carle or find a replacement (Suter!). Homer just made next summer harder for himself, but hopefully the years after that will become easier to handle than if JvR would have needed to be re-signed.

We also won't have that carry-over penalty next year.
And after two or three seasons, it's likely that JvR could have cost us a fortune. Tying him up for 6 years isn't has bad as people are making it out to be.

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I don't know about eliminates, if JvR had signed a two- or even three year extension his cap hit would have been lower and that would have made it easier to re-sign Coburn and/or Carle or find a replacement (Suter!). Homer just made next summer harder for himself, but hopefully the years after that will become easier to handle than if JvR would have needed to be re-signed.

We also won't have that carry-over penalty next year.
You're right about the carry over penalty. I didn't include it. It's only there because I copy/pasted and forgot to delete it.

I say it 'eliminates' because Holmgren takes JVR off his plate and can now focus on those 5. You make a very good point about him signing for shorter term possibly for less money. We can only wait and see if JVR proves he is worth that contract and if it affects us potentially signing Suter next offseason.

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How much longer is hartnell wasting space?
summer 2013.

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You're right about the carry over penalty. I didn't include it. It's only there because I copy/pasted and forgot to delete it.

I say it 'eliminates' because Holmgren takes JVR off his plate and can now focus on those 5. You make a very good point about him signing for shorter term possibly for less money. We can only wait and see if JVR proves he is worth that contract and if it affects us potentially signing Suter next offseason.
I doubt JvR would sign a 3 year deal right now. (Before he even plays a game this year)

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I doubt JvR would sign a 3 year deal right now. (Before he even plays a game this year)
He signed a 6 year deal before playing a single game. Why would you suspect a 3 year deal to be less likely?

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He signed a 6 year deal before playing a single game. Why would you suspect a 3 year deal to be less likely?
Because a 3 year deal would mean he'd be signing for less than $4.25

It would probably mean he'd be signing for less than $3.75 since that's what Giroux got, and Giroux signed midseason.

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Because a 3 year deal would mean he'd be signing for less than $4.25

It would probably mean he'd be signing for less than $3.75 since that's what Giroux got, and Giroux signed midseason.
I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. Are you implying that if the final 3 years were taken off he wouldn't have signed the deal because he feels his cap hit is too low?

JVR's cap hit per year:

2.500M
3.750M
4.500M
4.750M
5.000M
5.000M
4.25M Cap Hit

If you take off the final 3 years:

2.500M
3.750M
4.500M
3.583M Cap Hit

I'd say it looks like a more than fair offer, no?

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The cap hit could be a steal, but I think the salary is great assuming he continues to progress.

We'll see

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I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. Are you implying that if the final 3 years were taken off he wouldn't have signed the deal because he feels his cap hit is too low?

JVR's cap hit per year:

2.500M
3.750M
4.500M
4.750M
5.000M
5.000M
4.25M Cap Hit

If you take off the final 3 years:

2.500M
3.750M
4.500M
3.583M Cap Hit

I'd say it looks like a more than fair offer, no?
Hmm, admittedly I was forgetting that the salary is not constant.

Well, in that case, I suppose he very well could have accepted a 3 year deal had it been offered. My bad.

But regardless, I'm please with the deal as it should give us much more flexibility 4-5 years in the future when we have to start worrying about extensions for Schenn and even Couturier. I think that is being ignored among all this too. Maybe Holmgren actually is being conservative with the cap and planning for the future for a change?

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Hmm, admittedly I was forgetting that the salary is not constant.

Well, in that case, I suppose he very well could have accepted a 3 year deal had it been offered. My bad.

But regardless, I'm please with the deal as it should give us much more flexibility 4-5 years in the future when we have to start worrying about extensions for Schenn and even Couturier. I think that is being ignored among all this too. Maybe Holmgren actually is being conservative with the cap and planning for the future for a change?
I agree he will most likely be a bargain down the line and will afford us some years of flexibility. However, in the first two years he may end up counting a little higher against the cap by 750k or so - I can live with this. I just hope like mirimon mentioned that it doesn't handcuff us trying to put together a serious offer for Suter.

The 3 year deal is a very interesting hypothetical. I believe he would still be an RFA at the end of the deal?

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I agree he will most likely be a bargain down the line and will afford us some years of flexibility. However, in the first two years he may end up counting a little higher against the cap by 750k or so - I can live with this. I just hope like mirimon mentioned that it doesn't handcuff us trying to put together a serious offer for Suter.

The 3 year deal is a very interesting hypothetical. I believe he would still be an RFA at the end of the deal?
He'll be UFA after this deal.

I think a 3 year deal would have left him with one year of RFA, if memory serves. The two 5 mil years are compensation for his 2 missed UFA years.

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I genuinely can't believe people are criticising Holmgren for this. JvR may be a risk (who isn't?) but he's one of the lowest risks you can take. To win at this game, you have to take risks.

In 5 years time, JvR will be earning $4.25m a year. Think about that.

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As I like JVR - The contract is a bit if a

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...rn=nhl-wp11737

"There's no two ways about it: Holmgren has had a rough summer. He traded the two best forwards on his team: one a Canadian Olympian and the team's captain, the other a former 45-goal scorer. In return, he pulled questionable pieces, the possibility of future security and cap flexibility that allowed them to acquire or re-sign guys that may or may not be able to make up for the contributions of the outgoing players.
Whether you think those was necessarily the right moves (they weren't), or thought they were the desperate move of a guy managing a team that got in over its head in making the Stanley Cup Finals two years ago (they were), Holmgren was, at the very least, decisive.
The same can be said of the van Riemsdyk deal, and perhaps the latter was motivated by the former.
Here, the Flyers identified a player who is, theoretically, one of the best up-and-coming players in the League: a big-bodied, highly-skilled former second-overall pick who is showing oodles of potential as a 21-year-old.
But the problem, obviously, is they gave him half a million more per year than their current leading scorer. That's the part that makes no sense whatsoever."

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As I like JVR - The contract is a bit if a

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...rn=nhl-wp11737

"There's no two ways about it: Holmgren has had a rough summer. He traded the two best forwards on his team: one a Canadian Olympian and the team's captain, the other a former 45-goal scorer. In return, he pulled questionable pieces, the possibility of future security and cap flexibility that allowed them to acquire or re-sign guys that may or may not be able to make up for the contributions of the outgoing players.
Whether you think those was necessarily the right moves (they weren't), or thought they were the desperate move of a guy managing a team that got in over its head in making the Stanley Cup Finals two years ago (they were), Holmgren was, at the very least, decisive.
The same can be said of the van Riemsdyk deal, and perhaps the latter was motivated by the former.
Here, the Flyers identified a player who is, theoretically, one of the best up-and-coming players in the League: a big-bodied, highly-skilled former second-overall pick who is showing oodles of potential as a 21-year-old.
But the problem, obviously, is they gave him half a million more per year than their current leading scorer. That's the part that makes no sense whatsoever."
That's because he had UFA years bought from him. Giroux didn't. Giroux's next contract will likely be over $7M/year unless he signs a 52-year contract.

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