Is this for real? he wouldn't report to Niagara? a Team that could be stacked this year if Strome and Hamilton return. I find it unbelievable that some of these kids have the nerve to pull that move off. It shouldn't be allowed. Same goes with Domi's kid....what a joke.
Niagara has to play the waiting game to declare Bateman defective. His rights will be traded to Windsor when it's able to be made official.
The story with Bateman is he wanted top 4 minutes and with Niagara looking to contend, he wasn't going to get that. You can make the argument that you earn what you get but give the kid a little credit for not being satisfied with just going to a championship contender and wanting to go to a place where he can develop.
Niagara has to play the waiting game to declare Bateman defective. His rights will be traded to Windsor when it's able to be made official.
The story with Bateman is he wanted top 4 minutes and with Niagara looking to contend, he wasn't going to get that. You can make the argument that you earn what you get but give the kid a little credit for not being satisfied with just going to a championship contender and wanting to go to a place where he can develop.
if he didn't show up at camp this morning couldnt they just call up the league and say he didn't report and we declare him not reporting and then trade him
if he didn't show up at camp this morning couldnt they just call up the league and say he didn't report and we declare him not reporting and then trade him
yes that's how it works. I believe noon was the cutoff. It takes a bit for the paperwork to clear.
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IceDogs GM Marty Williamson says a Bateman deal is unlikely today. He's waiting for #OHL to deem the Dman defected to get the comp pick.
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IceDogs GM Marty Williamson says a Bateman deal is unlikely today. He's waiting for #OHL to deem the Dman defected to get the comp pick.
I had heard Wednesday anyway...but Bateman is expected to be there for start of camp on Wednesday. I wouldn't be surprised to see this made official later this afternoon.
Is this for real? he wouldn't report to Niagara? a Team that could be stacked this year if Strome and Hamilton return. I find it unbelievable that some of these kids have the nerve to pull that move off. It shouldn't be allowed. Same goes with Domi's kid....what a joke.
Bateman was going to be traded anyways in the January trade window. All Bateman did was ask for an opportunity to play somewhere that wouldnt trade him right away.
It works for both sides. Niagara trades in a first round pick for picks that can be traded at anytime.
Bateman gets the opportunity to play where he would be all year without having to worry about transfering school.
Sometimes its easy to forget that these are 16 year old kids.
What's the rationale behind not allowing the first rounders to be traded for players until the January window? Is it to protect teams from themselves in trading away the prospect for a short-sighted "now" player? Whereas in January teams likely know where they stand as being contenders vs pretenders, and see what they have in the first round pick?
What's the rationale behind not allowing the first rounders to be traded for players until the January window? Is it to protect teams from themselves in trading away the prospect for a short-sighted "now" player? Whereas in January teams likely know where they stand as being contenders vs pretenders, and see what they have in the first round pick?
Its a school issue. These kids are still in school, so they want to limit the movement over a small period of time. Being traded in the middle of November is much worse then trading them in between semesters.
Its a school issue. These kids are still in school, so they want to limit the movement over a small period of time. Being traded in the middle of November is much worse then trading them in between semesters.
I meant traded now - the defected player can only be traded for draft picks, why can't they be traded for veteran players?
Bateman was going to be traded anyways in the January trade window. All Bateman did was ask for an opportunity to play somewhere that wouldnt trade him right away.
It works for both sides. Niagara trades in a first round pick for picks that can be traded at anytime.
Bateman gets the opportunity to play where he would be all year without having to worry about transfering school.
Sometimes its easy to forget that these are 16 year old kids.
Yes 16 years old is right, Its a joke he can ask for top 4 mins before hes even played an OHL game. Cant stand these players, I can only imagine how cocky he is off the ice.
Yes 16 years old is right, Its a joke he can ask for top 4 mins before hes even played an OHL game. Cant stand these players, I can only imagine how cocky he is off the ice.
If youve never met him, and dont know his side of the story, does it seem fair to judge him? Im not sure, im not one to judge people. Expecially 16 year old kids. There was much more to it then simple ice time.
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I meant traded now - the defected player can only be traded for draft picks, why can't they be traded for veteran players?
Bateman was going to be traded anyways in the January trade window. All Bateman did was ask for an opportunity to play somewhere that wouldnt trade him right away.
It works for both sides. Niagara trades in a first round pick for picks that can be traded at anytime.
Bateman gets the opportunity to play where he would be all year without having to worry about transfering school.
Sometimes its easy to forget that these are 16 year old kids.
Why do you say this? And how often has a team done it?
I do agree that this will benefit Niagara. Bateman might be an impact player in 2-3 years. Niagara gets picks that could turn into players that helps them win a championship.
Why do you say this? And how often has a team done it?
The Coach and GM Marty Williamson is in 'Go For it' mode this season. He has a history of trading everything that is an asset in order to do so. Bateman was not a player that they identified in the Draft. He feel to them, so they took him.
^He'd be the prime trade chip in Niagara come the deadline with the IceDogs looking to go all in for a championship run.
I think the Dogs actually lose out a bit in that take out the comp first and they wouldn't make this deal, meaning they didn't get equal value in return that could be used this year as a trade chip (because they can't trade the comp first of course).
Having to trade Bateman at deadline, vs dangling a 2014 and 2015 second rounder - I think Adam is more valuable come January.
^He'd be the prime trade chip in Niagara come the deadline with the IceDogs looking to go all in for a championship run.
I think the Dogs actually lose out a bit in that take out the comp first and they wouldn't make this deal, meaning they didn't get equal value in return that could be used this year as a trade chip (because they can't trade the comp first of course).
Having to trade Bateman at deadline, vs dangling a 2014 and 2015 second rounder - I think Adam is more valuable come January.
Now factor in the comp first and Dogs love it.
The one benefit is that they can make the trade whenever they want, instead of waiting until the January window. Ryan Spooner was traded in November of last year, Id expect him to be moved again just as quickly. Niagara will be hot on his trail.
Yes 16 years old is right, Its a joke he can ask for top 4 mins before hes even played an OHL game. Cant stand these players, I can only imagine how cocky he is off the ice.
These are kids and its an apprenticeship of sorts. They (the top end guys) have the leverage to help sway where they train for their trade of the future. Is it really different than being a scholastic/athletic star and choosing a university or college? The teams they dont report to are well compensated under the current format so I see it as a win/win
The Coach and GM Marty Williamson is in 'Go For it' mode this season. He has a history of trading everything that is an asset in order to do so. Bateman was not a player that they identified in the Draft. He feel to them, so they took him.
How can you possibly know that Williamson would have traded Bateman? How many teams making a run last year traded their first round pick away in January? Zero?
Seems like you're putting up a smoke screen to hide the fact that this was about a guarantee for ice time and not about education.
I'm in agreement with other posters that ice time should be earned, not demanded.
How can you possibly know that Williamson would have traded Bateman? How many teams making a run last year traded their first round pick away in January? Zero?
Seems like you're putting up a smoke screen to hide the fact that this was about a guarantee for ice time and not about education.
I'm in agreement with other posters that ice time should be earned, not demanded.
Well technically Missy did when they traded Rychel.
The kid didn't want to be buried on a stacked team. He wasn't pulling the NCAA card to try and influence to certain teams. By the sounds of it he would have went to any team. Can't fault the kid for wanting to develop. You don't develop by sitting on the bench/in the stands.
