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08-13-2004, 01:40 PM
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Any One been to the U-20 camp?

I was wondering if any one has had a chance to go to the camp and see how the Oiler prospects are doing. If so, how have they looked?

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What U-20 camp?

When? Where?

Shouldnt this be on the Oilers website?

Is there some sort of schedule for this type of this that also has dates of training camps and stuff?

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I was there yesterday. Day 1 was very brief and only Dubnyk saw ice time. He did fine but like he told me afterwards, there was some rust.

Pouliot didn't skate although he wanted to. I was able to chat with him a bit but I'll talk to him much more next week.

They are the only two Oiler properties at the Team Canada camp in CGY.

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I went to today (Saturday) practice for Team Red.

Initial impressions. Sidney Crosby is incredible. Sooooo smooth, great hand-eye coordination and anticipation. Quite small. Very impressed by Perry's shot. Quick, hard, accurate. Jeff Carter is a player. Wow! Can Shawn Belle skate. And unload a hard shot. Zajac is a big kid who looked pretty good. From the earlier White team practise, I just caught the tail end but man do I like Eric Fehr.

Dubnyk looks to have good technical skills. Seemed to go down a bit early and often. Lost the practise shootout drill to Ryan Munce.

May drop by tomorrow (in between sets at the Blues & Roots Festival). I do plan to attend next week's scrimmage games.

Highly recommend checking out Canada's best!

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I'm going to check out the scrimmage Wednesday night --should be interesting ..

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what time does it start and end at?

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6 pm start. Expect to be out by about 8:30 pm.

I went to today's scrimmage game which was pretty lackluster. Boy did they run at Crosby. Fistric was all over him with cheap shots (Crosby was making him look stupid). And another d-man and forward also tried to mug him.

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Cam Barker was the guy who gave Crosby the big cheap elbow in the third. There were a few things that caught my attention today though...

1) For some reason I want to hate Corey Perry... but couldn't help but be impressed with him. He showed me strength that I didn't know he had, and he skated pretty well too.

2) Nigel Dawes can play on my team anytime. You'd expect a guy who's 5'10" to play the perimeter and stuff but this guy was hard on the forecheck and was getting dirty in front of the net. Even one battles against bigger guys like Shea Weber in one instance.

3) Understatement of the year: Sidney Crosby is a really good player.

4) Barker looked like he's trying to hard to make an impression. Give him credit for the thought but he took two stupid penalties, including the cheap elbow to Crosby's grill.

5) Oiler scouts told me prior to the draft that Alex Picard was a clone of Ryan Smyth, especially when it comes to his skating style. I have to say, it's freakish how much they do skate a like... I was actually laughing at one point when Aaron Vickers (CGY HF Writer) says to me "there's Smyth on the ice again". It's an uncanny resemblance.

6) Play of the game: Dave Bolland on a two on one made a move to the outside, drew the defender, and when it looked like he'd have to shoot... slid a fantastic pass to Ryan Getzlaf who tapped it in.

7) Shawn Belle can play on my team anytime. He's physical, has a cannon and he can skate like a forward.

8) Andrew Ladd hurt his shoulder and did not play after the first period. Team Canada PR guys had no info how bad it was hurt.

9) Apparently Kyle Chipchura played... except for the dumb penalty he took, he was invisible.

10) Shea Weber did not have a good game. At 6'3" and 220 lbs, you shouldn't lose battles for the puck against 5'10 180 lb forwards like Nigel Dawes. And then when you pass the puck from behind your net to the opposing point man... you'd better not be a pylon for the rest of the shift... OOOPS, too late!


Other notes from Canada camp: Marc-Antoine Pouliot was sent home on Sunday morning because he couldn't participate, and that was before I got a chance to speak with him on the record. ( ). Devan Dubnyk did not play on monday. He gets the game on Wednesday all to himself and then the two goalies split the last game on Thursday.

That's it.

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Cam Barker was the guy who gave Crosby the big cheap elbow in the third. There were a few things that caught my attention today though...

1) For some reason I want to hate Corey Perry... but couldn't help but be impressed with him. He showed me strength that I didn't know he had, and he skated pretty well too.

2) Nigel Dawes can play on my team anytime. You'd expect a guy who's 5'10" to play the perimeter and stuff but this guy was hard on the forecheck and was getting dirty in front of the net. Even one battles against bigger guys like Shea Weber in one instance.

3) Understatement of the year: Sidney Crosby is a really good player.

4) Barker looked like he's trying to hard to make an impression. Give him credit for the thought but he took two stupid penalties, including the cheap elbow to Crosby's grill.

5) Oiler scouts told me prior to the draft that Alex Picard was a clone of Ryan Smyth, especially when it comes to his skating style. I have to say, it's freakish how much they do skate a like... I was actually laughing at one point when Aaron Vickers (CGY HF Writer) says to me "there's Smyth on the ice again". It's an uncanny resemblance.

6) Play of the game: Dave Bolland on a two on one made a move to the outside, drew the defender, and when it looked like he'd have to shoot... slid a fantastic pass to Ryan Getzlaf who tapped it in.

7) Shawn Belle can play on my team anytime. He's physical, has a cannon and he can skate like a forward.

8) Andrew Ladd hurt his shoulder and did not play after the first period. Team Canada PR guys had no info how bad it was hurt.

9) Apparently Kyle Chipchura played... except for the dumb penalty he took, he was invisible.

10) Shea Weber did not have a good game. At 6'3" and 220 lbs, you shouldn't lose battles for the puck against 5'10 180 lb forwards like Nigel Dawes. And then when you pass the puck from behind your net to the opposing point man... you'd better not be a pylon for the rest of the shift... OOOPS, too late!


Other notes from Canada camp: Marc-Antoine Pouliot was sent home on Sunday morning because he couldn't participate, and that was before I got a chance to speak with him on the record. ( ). Devan Dubnyk did not play on monday. He gets the game on Wednesday all to himself and then the two goalies split the last game on Thursday.

That's it.

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Comments, on your comments, Guy. Funny but we agree on most points.

Barker looked shaky most of the night. Went nuts on Crosby and on occasion played the puck instead of the man. Reminded me of Braydon Coburn who I feel is a bit soft. Nice skills but a ways to go.

Agree completely about Dawes. This guy is strong and tenacious despite his smallish stature. A complete gamer who goes into the tough areas and competes with anyone. Sidney Crosby is smoooooth like butta. Simply thinks the game better than anyone and so smart and fluid. Didn't take a backstep despite being targeted by Fistric, Barker, and a tough hit by Richards.

Honestly didn't notice Picard. But left impressed by Bolland and the goal of the game which you mentioned. He also sticks his nose into the tough areas on the ice. A bit disappointed by Getlaf who continually stayed on the ice too long, well after his linemates left the ice.

Corey Perry seems a bit yappy (observation from Saturday's practice). Maybe abit of a primadonna but boy can he shoot the puck. Quick, accurate release although he didn't do much tonight.

You're on the money about Shawn Belle. What the he(double hockey sticks) was St. Louis thinking in trading him away. Big, strong, blazing fast and a very, very quick and hard release from the point.

Bad news for Oiler fans ... Dion Phaneuf is listed at 6' 2'' and 216 pound which is up about 10-12 pounds from last year. This guy can simply do it all. Played a bit layed back tonight but he is the real deal.

I was very impressed by Jeremy Colliton who had a strong game. He worked very hard and physical. Never quit attitude. In my mind, Colliton was probably the 'star' of the game. And I remain a huge fan of Jeff Carter who has great size and speed.

And those pre-draft criticisms about Wes O'Neill's lack of mobility. Seem to be on the money from my observations.

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I was so hoping the Oilers were going to pick Bolland.

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Overall he didn't stand out although his line had one noteworthy shift in the third period.

One other guy I should have mentioned before was Danny Roussin. He was very good in the game too.

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Thanks for all the updates. I'll make sure to try my best to let you all know whats going on at the december camp as it's here in the peg , exam schedule permitting of course. I was also wondering if I can get some updateds on how Boyd is doing, now that hes been added to the camp. Thanks

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I really need to get out to this... my stupid summer class is taking up all my time right now though.

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Thanks for the info. Great for those of us who can't make it. Chipchura is probably looking for a defensive role like Colliton last year, there certainly isn't a shortage of offensive skill. I would have to think they would want to keep one or two of the 86 born forwards on the team, since most are 85 and Crosby is likely to step straight into the NHL and not be available to the team next year. There are only 3 86 born forwards, Bolland, Chipchura and Wolski.

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Comments, on your comments, Guy. Funny but we agree on most points.

Barker looked shaky most of the night. Went nuts on Crosby and on occasion played the puck instead of the man. Reminded me of Braydon Coburn who I feel is a bit soft. Nice skills but a ways to go.

Agree completely about Dawes. This guy is strong and tenacious despite his smallish stature. A complete gamer who goes into the tough areas and competes with anyone. Sidney Crosby is smoooooth like butta. Simply thinks the game better than anyone and so smart and fluid. Didn't take a backstep despite being targeted by Fistric, Barker, and a tough hit by Richards.

Honestly didn't notice Picard. But left impressed by Bolland and the goal of the game which you mentioned. He also sticks his nose into the tough areas on the ice. A bit disappointed by Getlaf who continually stayed on the ice too long, well after his linemates left the ice.

Corey Perry seems a bit yappy (observation from Saturday's practice). Maybe abit of a primadonna but boy can he shoot the puck. Quick, accurate release although he didn't do much tonight.

You're on the money about Shawn Belle. What the he(double hockey sticks) was St. Louis thinking in trading him away. Big, strong, blazing fast and a very, very quick and hard release from the point.

Bad news for Oiler fans ... Dion Phaneuf is listed at 6' 2'' and 216 pound which is up about 10-12 pounds from last year. This guy can simply do it all. Played a bit layed back tonight but he is the real deal.

I was very impressed by Jeremy Colliton who had a strong game. He worked very hard and physical. Never quit attitude. In my mind, Colliton was probably the 'star' of the game. And I remain a huge fan of Jeff Carter who has great size and speed.

And those pre-draft criticisms about Wes O'Neill's lack of mobility. Seem to be on the money from my observations.
Comments on your comments, BEL

Barker appeared mediocre at best, and reminded me of the regular season in the WHL when I saw him and questioned how he was hyped as he was. He'll need a better 2nd and 3rd game to show why he should earn a spot on an already set defense.

Dawes didn't stand out at the Ranger camp, and I question if he was there. He certainly is standing out at the Junior camp, though, especially given his work in front of the net. He'll be back, and hopefully he'll turn in the same tournament he had before.

Picard I took special note of, if not for the sake of nostolgia and whatnot. I used to be the Columbus writer, and will likely have an interview with the fella in the coming days. Skates like Smyth, shoots like Smyth, and will crash the net like Smyth. Interestingly enough, though, is the skating style, which is just uncanny.

Perry, like Guy said, has stood out - in a good way.

Belle being dealt from St Louis for Bacashihua bugs me, especially given St Louis' goaltending depth, and lack of defensive depth. As it stands, Belle is the defenseman I've noticed the most.

Phaneuf...like to see him when he gets angry...like the Calgary series of the 03-04 WHL Playoffs against the Hitmen.

Colliton...my favorite out there. Smart plays, and hit anything that dared to move. Showed why he'll earn a spot already.

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heh, funny how everybody gets differing impressions from the same game.

Belle didn't stand out to me at all really. Sure he's a an amazing skater and is probably already in NHL calibre conditioning but his on-ice decision making wasn't as impressive as a Coburn or a Phaneuf IMO. Pinched in overagressively at least once and could have been caught completely out of position. This was my first time seeing Coburn and I was wowed by his skating for his size. Not as explosive as Belle but he is smooth like silk, played with poise at the point, got shots on net and overall made the right plays. Very impressive skating and stickhandling, I can see why he was making the scouts drool in 2003. He and Phaneuf were a notch above the rest IMO and look like they'll be awesome NHLers.

I agree with many of your other thoughts though guys, Carter stands out as does Crosby. Personally I really liked Zajac as well, slick centreman. Noticed Rogers playing a mean, physical game several times as well. And yeah, Wes O'Neill is probably the worst skater out there.

Biggest disagreement is probably about Dany Roussin. I didn't think he showed much at all. Wasn't wowed by Perry either, tried the same move down the wing almost every time. His skating is a notch below most other players and his intensity is also a notch below a lot of the rest. Seemed to have a tendency to overhandle the puck a bit.

I haven't seen any of the practises though, I'm going just from the scrimmage on Monday.


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Other notes from Canada camp: Marc-Antoine Pouliot was sent home on Sunday morning because he couldn't participate, and that was before I got a chance to speak with him on the record.
I don't know if its been covered elsewhere and I missed it but what's up with Pouliot?

Is this still to due with his injuries from last season and are they serious enough that Oiler fans should be concerned long term?

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I don't know if its been covered elsewhere and I missed it but what's up with Pouliot?

Is this still to due with his injuries from last season and are they serious enough that Oiler fans should be concerned long term?
I beleive he had abdominal surgery, and it wasn't expected that he would be ready for full contact drills for the summer camp.

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I beleive he had abdominal surgery, and it wasn't expected that he would be ready for full contact drills for the summer camp.

Ahh good stuff, thanks.

I knew he had an abdominal injury but I didn't realize that it needed surgery.

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I don't know if its been covered elsewhere and I missed it but what's up with Pouliot?

Is this still to due with his injuries from last season and are they serious enough that Oiler fans should be concerned long term?
Yeah, he couldn't do much on ice stuff so after three days they sent him home (Re-read post #8 in this thread, at the bottom of it). No worries, the regular season is his tryout, I'm sure he'll be there at the December camp if he's healthy.

Biggest problem was, I had an interview scheduled with him on Monday...

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Wednesday night game night began hobnobbing briefly with internet scribe Guy Flaming and Oiler talent seeking Kevin Prendergast. K.P. was a class act who indulged my inquiries about various Oiler prospects and Ken Linseman-esque questioning about Pouliot versus Parise. Couldn't resist ... but appreciated his time and candor.

The game itself was okay. Dubnyk played and certainly didn't bring his 'A' game in letting in two softies and then losing in an overtime shootout. Still I like the raw package of size, quickness, and fundamentals.

My player of the night had to be Eric Fehr. He brings a complete game with size (but no weight yet), shot, hockey sense (anticipation and very responsible defensively), and some fiestiness. Very good, complete game tonight.

Colliton continues to impress me. Another good, solid honest player. Enjoyed flashes of creativity from Dave Bolland, Clark MacArthur (Medicine Hat) who played with Eric Fehr. And thought Alexandre Picard played a more assertive game. Previous posters have indeed pegged him as a Ryan Smyth clone.

Really liked the work tonight of Calgary Hitmen twin towers Andy Rogers and Jeff Schultz. They both played well imo. The triumvirate of the Hitman connection, Ryan Getzlaff was buzzing. And Chipchura looked better tonight after a weak showing in Monday's game.

But for my dough Jeff Carter and Crosby continue to be the best players in camp. Carter is a very complete player - strong skater, good faceoff man, and good offensive abilities. Will be a very good pro. Won't ramble on about Crosby again except to say players are testing him physically and he is standing in there. Tonight Phaneuf tried to take liberties but Crosby responded with a punch.

Toughest blueline pairing? WHL heavyweights Mark Festric and Logan Stephenson. Neither will make this team (imo) but boy would they do alot of damage paired in the Wild West WHL.

Gotta disagree with Flames Draft Watcher about Braydon Coburn. I see some nice skills but imo find him to be quite uninvolved physically and passive. Had much higher expectations which changed watching Coburn live last year and at this camp.
I also don't think Corey Perry's skating is as bad as he opines.

Finally had a Wojtek Wolski sighting with the shootout winning goal against Dubnyk. Has not stood out. Empty sweater award goes to Steve Bernier.

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Has not stood out. Empty sweater award goes to Steve Bernier.
Bernier got hurt in the game...

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Thanks.

Didn't notice but then again I haven't noticed Bernier in either scrimmage game.

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