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09-02-2011, 05:07 PM
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Flames "Very interested in Lecavalier"

Hey Guys, take it for what its worth but here are the tweets I saw:


According to HockeyBreaks's Twitter

Sources saying that the Calgary Flames are very interested in Tampa Bay Lightning forward, Vincent Lecavalier.


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09-02-2011, 05:15 PM
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It would cost a ton and that contract is awful. I'd give a 1st, Granlund, Stajan and Hagman for him. That's it.

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Or maybe it would take less. JUst spitballing here, but they have Stamkos, their true #1, and Lecavalier's contract is so bad they might take less value just to unload him and acuire a cheaper, more fit-for-the role #2 centre?

My offer, if my argument above is true, would be. Stajan (Could be a better fit for the #2 spot.) Bourque, and a 2nd.

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I think the lightning would consider that offer. If I am the lightning though I am looking for a cheap #2 C to replace Vinny. That would be Jokinen. I could see Jokinen, Hagman and a 2nd.

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Yeah, thats a pretty good offer too. Hagman would probably bounce back if he went to the east, too. Yzerman definitely doesnt just hang up the phone. He would at least have to consider it.

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I think we trade anyone expect backlund or bartschi for him. These two guys are our future.

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Regarding the Jokinen, Hagman offer, I think that's enough, and a third in the '13 draft. I really don't want Calgary to give up any more '12 draft picks.

Flames could roll Lecavalier on the first line, Backlund on the second, Stajan/Morrison/Moss on the third/fourth.

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Sorry guys, Vinny is still a crucial part of our franchise and our plans for the next few years. Once he got healthy, he posted a full ppg for a good while last season. I don't think you have the assets to get him from us unless we're talking some kind of first rounder, a good forward and Giordano in return.

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Sorry guys, Vinny is still a crucial part of our franchise and our plans for the next few years. Once he got healthy, he posted a full ppg for a good while last season. I don't think you have the assets to get him from us unless we're talking some kind of first rounder, a good forward and Giordano in return.
You can keep him until 2020.. Have fun with two big fish in a little pond

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Sorry guys, Vinny is still a crucial part of our franchise and our plans for the next few years. Once he got healthy, he posted a full ppg for a good while last season. I don't think you have the assets to get him from us unless we're talking some kind of first rounder, a good forward and Giordano in return.
As a player, based solely on his abilities and production a 1st a Forward and someone like Gio would likely be value.

However, Vinny has one of the worst contracts in the league and the Lightning already have a fantastic #1 Center in Stamkos. I assume Hedman/Connolly will be commanding big bucks one day and once they get their contracts something will have to give. I think that will be Vinny.

I can understand wanting him on your team now, as he is a good use of the cap space but once he is older he will be hard to trade and that will make it very hard for the Lightning to sign their young players.

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I imagine the lightning ownership want to shed that contract while they can, and at least get some value for it.

My skepticism is that I don't see the Flames owners wanting that contract for themselves

Stajan and Nemisz and that's where I stop. If they want Hagman they can have him too. Vinny's contract is enough to sink a franchise

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I imagine the lightning ownership want to shed that contract while they can, and at least get some value for it.

My skepticism is that I don't see the Flames owners wanting that contract for themselves

Stajan and Nemisz and that's where I stop. If they want Hagman they can have him too. Vinny's contract is enough to sink a franchise
The way I see it, without a #1C we have no chance at a cup, with Vinny we have a 3ish year window to win a cup. Even if the Flames are a mess for the next 7 years after. It would be worth it to win a cup. Its a HUGE risk but what have we got to lose?

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This is one of those cases where the player in question has a lot more value to the team he's on than he would on the market. TB fans seem content with Vinny's production, but his contract bogs down his trade value.

As for the offer of a 1st + top-six forward + Giordano, not a chance. Not unless something BIG is coming back this way, and I don't mean Vinny's contract.

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I wouldn't give much for him.

Stajan, Bourque, 1st.

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I don't think you have the assets to get him from us unless we're talking some kind of first rounder, a good forward and Giordano in return.

Not a chance in hell I'd give up that package for Lecavalier.

I like the player, hate the contract.

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Not a chance in hell I'd give up that package for Lecavalier.

I like the player, hate the contract.
I wouldn't even give Gio for Vinny straight up.

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It's very much a case where the player's value to his franchise exceeds his objective market value. But with that said, did you guys watch a lot of Lightning games down the stretch and into the playoffs? Vinny was SUPERB. I don't have any issue with his contract at this point. I doubt he'll play until he's 40, plus since he's still got gas in the tank and takes a lot of pressure off Stamkos, we have to keep him unless we get heavy value in return, regardless of contract.

In a lot of ways, Vinny and Iginla are actually in similar situations. I see similar numbers for them next season if both are fully healthy.

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It's very much a case where the player's value to his franchise exceeds his objective market value.

Yeah, understandably so.

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The way I see it, without a #1C we have no chance at a cup, with Vinny we have a 3ish year window to win a cup. Even if the Flames are a mess for the next 7 years after. It would be worth it to win a cup. Its a HUGE risk but what have we got to lose?
If Vinny had a 4-5 year contract I would agree (and would give a lot more to get him). He is an elite player who is better than any current flame beside Iggy, but his contract is too long and too much cap hit. I seriously believe that Tampa management can't handle the 4 (or 5) straight years of paying their #2 centre 10 mil. He is a #1 on most other teams though, if Tampa is looking to dump him while they can I certainly hope the Flames are bidders. Always loved him as a player

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In a lot of ways, Vinny and Iginla are actually in similar situations. I see similar numbers for them next season if both are fully healthy.
Similar numbers (more goals by Iggy probably), but Iginla's contract is manageable by any team which makes his value much higher. Half the teams in the league couldn't handle paying Vinny that much for so many years, which means less bidders if he is being shopped

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Some of these offers with Barstchi, 1st rounders etc are a little ridiculous

Vinnie is still under contract until 2020!

In the cap world we live in Lecavalier's value is going to take the same hit Regehr's did.

Not saying, I wouldn't be interested in acquiring his services, but it's a looong commitment and the price(asset wise) needs to be right.

Plus, forget the cap hit, he makes 10 mill per year through the end of the 2016 season. Those are some pretty big coffers.

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The way I see it, without a #1C we have no chance at a cup...
Even with Vinny (I think he's a great player and would be great for the city here) I think the Flames would be facing long odds to win the cup so if I were the team I'd pass - with great reluctance.

I'm probably one of the few people who think the Flames should recognize reality and head into some serious and old school rebuilding (Which is why I think Feaster should be replaced before things get really really bad). Acquiring Vinny would be great for the city in the short term but it would do nothing to help the rebuilding process that should be a priority right now.

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For 9 years at the money!? No thanks, rather have gomez honestly, just a shorter contract

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With 9 years to go on this contract, I wouldn't pick him up on waivers for nothing.

There's a cap in the NHL.

We now have a GM who understands that.

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With 9 years to go on this contract, I wouldn't pick him up on waivers for nothing.

There's a cap in the NHL.

We now have a GM who understands that.
Agreed.

Were any of you apprehensive about signing Richards? Lecavalier has a cap hit 1 mil higher and is less productive... both have 9 more years to go.

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Agreed.

Were any of you apprehensive about signing Richards? Lecavalier has a cap hit 1 mil higher and is less productive... both have 9 more years to go.
Signing Richards to a long term contract would've been fine either way, we could keep him thru a rebuild if that was the case is my assumption. Plus it satisfies the fans clamoring for the #1 c.

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