It is valid, fact is the team needs quality vet help who is not at the end of the career. Snow has not done that. Streit is not enough.
So then what would be the plan then? The Isles are pretty much set everyeone but one top 4 dman. You could argue Parenteau's spot but that's really it. It's not like they are going to go out and get 5 or 6 vets to take over other players spots.
So then what would be the plan then? The Isles are pretty much set everyeone but one top 4 dman. You could argue Parenteau's spot but that's really it. It's not like they are going to go out and get 5 or 6 vets to take over other players spots.
I know, I am just talking one or two. As you mentioned one top 4 dman, and one top 6 oman would do. Do you think they will make playoffs as is?
I know, I am just talking one or two. As you mentioned one top 4 dman, and one top 6 oman would do. Do you think they will make playoffs as is?
If they stay healthy I think they have a really good shot at making it. This team has a hole at D but I think it can be covered. When I truly break it down there isn'treally one team in the eastern conference that doesn't have its own issue somewhere. We here just tend to think every other team is monumentally better than the Isles when that really isn't the case. I'm not going to rehash the offense and defense and I think when it truly comes down to it a true starter will emerge among DP, Nabby, and Montoya that can pave the way.
If they stay healthy I think they have a really good shot at making it. This team has a hole at D but I think it can be covered. When I truly break it down there isn'treally one team in the eastern conference that doesn't have its own issue somewhere. We here just tend to think every other team is monumentally better than the Isles when that really isn't the case. I'm not going to rehash the offense and defense and I think when it truly comes down to it a true starter will emerge among DP, Nabby, and Montoya that can pave the way.
The DP thing is the biggest question mark. Even if a true starter emerges will he get the majority of the starts? With this team you never know.
The DP thing is the biggest question mark. Even if a true starter emerges will he get the majority of the starts? With this team you never know.
I'm pretty sure that throughout the first 15-20 games you'll see the starts dispersed kinda evenly with the goalie situation shaping out for the rest of the season. Snow and Cappy want to win and if DP is getting outplayed he won't play. We all joke about him being Wangs investment and that's the reason he'll play but Charles has stayed out of those discussions. He knows he made a bad deal(it's been hammered home with every issue) and he won't get in the way. He's not stupid.
I'm pretty sure that throughout the first 15-20 games you'll see the starts dispersed kinda evenly with the goalie situation shaping out for the rest of the season. Snow and Cappy want to win and if DP is getting outplayed he won't play. We all joke about him being Wangs investment and that's the reason he'll play but Charles has stayed out of those discussions. He knows he made a bad deal(it's been hammered home with every issue) and he won't get in the way. He's not stupid.
I'm pretty sure that throughout the first 15-20 games you'll see the starts dispersed kinda evenly with the goalie situation shaping out for the rest of the season. Snow and Cappy want to win and if DP is getting outplayed he won't play. We all joke about him being Wangs investment and that's the reason he'll play but Charles has stayed out of those discussions. He knows he made a bad deal(it's been hammered home with every issue) and he won't get in the way. He's not stupid.
I hope it does not hurt the team too much. If they fall like 15 pts out in the first 20 games, they might never catch up.
I hope it does not hurt the team too much. If they fall like 15 pts out in the first 20 games, they might never catch up.
I really can't see that happening unless the whole team just drops a bomb to open the season. They'll know by the end of training camp if DP can really go or if he's crap. I'm nervous about Montoya and as much as I can't stand Nabokov the person I gotta admit he's a hell of a goalie. He priced himself out of the market and that's why he ended up in the KHL and that whole season was a wreck, which is why I'm willing to give him a mulligan on it. Personally I feel hes got a lot of games left in the tank.
They will be a solid team if they stay healthy. They aren't going to win the conference but the will be fighting for the 5-8 seeds.
Then I see numerous Isles fans in denial. You can always put me on ignore. No big deal.
I don't even disagree with you in principal. But you sound like a broken record. If you don't find any joy at all of being a fan, then why bother? I'd rather watch the last 2 years of young losing teams gain valuable experience then the Yashin era teams struggle to finish 8th.
I've been off the board for a few days so I started reading this thread on page 4 to see how intellectual or off the rails the conversation had gone.
As unfortunately expected...Most on here are trying to perform brain surgery with an ax. It's Jay "freakin" Pandolfo. People are acting like we just cut John Tavares. Have a xanax.
so in the past year or two what has Charles done that was so stupid concerning the team itself?
Are you kidding me????
• Promoting a training camp in CHINA that fell flat because he didn't get his lighthouse and therefore didn't need to go drum up Chinese investors. STUPID because it adds to bad press/perception around the league.
• Asking season ticket holders to pony up money upfront, renew for multiple seasons while taking away privileges. Having his GM assure fans that he had a GREEN light to spend (LIES) all while not intending on spending past cap floor. STUPID because it's bad press around the league.
• Insisting that Billy Jaffe gets released because he was NOT positive enough while having corporate brown noser Butch Goring take his place. Sorry Butchie, love ya but your rose colored glasses are too big.
• Having Garth Snow embarrass himself and the team by suggesting a PLAY IN playoff 8th seed tournament making us the laughing stock of the annual GM meetings.
Shall I friggen continue??????
Good grief do some people follow hockey and think for themselves or do they actually read the carefully sugarcoated releases via Katie Strang and some of the bloggers who are willfully biased because they have credentials?
EVERYTHING concerns the team. On ice and off as it affects the team in one way or another.
Do I have to explain that too???
I don't even disagree with you in principal. But you sound like a broken record. If you don't find any joy at all of being a fan, then why bother? I'd rather watch the last 2 years of young losing teams gain valuable experience then the Yashin era teams struggle to finish 8th.
So do a lot of people here. If you do not like it put me on ignore. I really do not care. That young talent will go to waste without the proper support.
• Promoting a training camp in CHINA that fell flat because he didn't get his lighthouse and therefore didn't need to go drum up Chinese investors. STUPID because it adds to bad press/perception around the league.
• Asking season ticket holders to pony up money upfront, renew for multiple seasons while taking away privileges. Having his GM assure fans that he had a GREEN light to spend (LIES) all while not intending on spending past cap floor. STUPID because it's bad press around the league.
• Insisting that Billy Jaffe gets released because he was NOT positive enough while having corporate brown noser Butch Goring take his place. Sorry Butchie, love ya but your rose colored glasses are too big.
• Having Garth Snow embarrass himself and the team by suggesting a PLAY IN playoff 8th seed tournament making us the laughing stock of the annual GM meetings.
Shall I friggen continue??????
Good grief do some people follow hockey and think for themselves or do they actually read the carefully sugarcoated releases via Katie Strang and some of the bloggers who are willfully biased because they have credentials?
EVERYTHING concerns the team. On ice and off as it affects the team in one way or another.
Do I have to explain that too???
What a list! I forgot about that 8Th seed thing. Snow is an idiot for even mentioning it. Like I have been saying the biggest reason players do not want to come here is the team's circus like management. It is amazing how many people here do not want to acknowledge fact.
• Promoting a training camp in CHINA that fell flat because he didn't get his lighthouse and therefore didn't need to go drum up Chinese investors. STUPID because it adds to bad press/perception around the league.
• Asking season ticket holders to pony up money upfront, renew for multiple seasons while taking away privileges. Having his GM assure fans that he had a GREEN light to spend (LIES) all while not intending on spending past cap floor. STUPID because it's bad press around the league.
• Insisting that Billy Jaffe gets released because he was NOT positive enough while having corporate brown noser Butch Goring take his place. Sorry Butchie, love ya but your rose colored glasses are too big.
• Having Garth Snow embarrass himself and the team by suggesting a PLAY IN playoff 8th seed tournament making us the laughing stock of the annual GM meetings.
I follow this team pretty well (especially via the ohhhh so updated world of Twitter) and I can't remember ever hearing about that last point.
And even if Snow had suggested that at a GM meeting, why is that considered an embarrassment? By whose standards? It's now common practice in European leagues for the teams ranked 7th-10th to have a pre-playoff round to decide spots 7 and 8. It's an arousing success financially here in Germany, even if there are critics. Many may not care for the idea (I love it in Europe; don't need it in the NHL), but the GM meetings are in place for a number of reasons, suggestions on what they could do differently around the league being the main one. It's where they discuss a number of things being successfully practiced in other leagues (like i.e. no-touch icing).
I definitely hear ya on the Jaffe and season ticket fronts. Less so on the idea of having a camp in China. I don't feel it embarasses the organization or if it does, it shouldn't. It was an idea, it was different - it didn't happen and prolly for good reasons. No big deal. And the NHL diversity office was alllllllll about that idea like flies on s**t. But I digress...
Where I feel you're really going off track is with this comment:
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Having his GM assure fans that he had a GREEN light to spend (LIES) all while not intending on spending past cap floor. STUPID because it's bad press around the league.
That's nothing more than conjecture.
In fact, no less than the attempt to grab and sign Erhoff before he hit UFAgency would speak HEAVILY against this conjecture.
As for actually only being slightly above the cap floor, it doesn't have to be a bad thing when you simply have a bunch of guys on excellent, excellent contracts.
Being shrewd and thrifty is not automatically to be equated with being cheap - or even non-competitive. Nashville has been a regular playoff team despite similar financial practices.
This said, we clearly see a need or two that hasn't been dealt with yet this summer. We'll see in what manner it is dealt with before the start of the season.
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I follow this team pretty well (especially via the ohhhh so updated world of Twitter) and I can't remember ever hearing about that last point.
And even if Snow had suggested that at a GM meeting, why is that considered an embarrassment? By whose standards? It's now common practice in European leagues for the teams ranked 7th-10th to have a pre-playoff round to decide spots 7 and 8. It's an arousing success financially here in Germany, even if there are critics. Many may not care for the idea (I love it in Europe; don't need it in the NHL), but the GM meetings are in place for a number of reasons, suggestions on what they could do differently around the league being the main one. It's where they discuss a number of things being successfully practiced in other leagues (like i.e. no-touch icing).
I definitely hear ya on the Jaffe and season ticket fronts. Less so on the idea of having a camp in China. I don't feel it embarasses the organization or if it does, it shouldn't. It was an idea, it was different - it didn't happen and prolly for good reasons. No big deal. And the NHL diversity office was alllllllll about that idea like flies on s**t. But I digress...
Where I feel you're really going off track is with this comment:
That's nothing more than conjecture.
In fact, no less than the attempt to grab and sign Erhoff before he hit UFAgency would speak HEAVILY against this conjecture.
As for actually only being slightly above the cap floor, it doesn't have to be a bad thing when you simply have a bunch of guys on excellent, excellent contracts.
Being shrewd and thrifty is not automatically to be equated with being cheap - or even non-competitive. Nashville has been a regular playoff team despite similar financial practices.
This said, we clearly see a need or two that hasn't been dealt with yet this summer. We'll see in what manner it is dealt with before the start of the season.
It is an embarrassment because it is like they are begging for another chance to get into the playoffs. All because Snow has not been capable of building a team that can make one of the top 8 slots. It is an embarrassment by NHL standards. Most fans I know do not care about how Europeans run their leagues. Shrewd and thrifty? Does that include DP and Yashin? Your comment about Nashville only proves what a failure Snow has been. Stop TRYING to justify this circus.
I follow this team pretty well (especially via the ohhhh so updated world of Twitter) and I can't remember ever hearing about that last point.
And even if Snow had suggested that at a GM meeting, why is that considered an embarrassment? By whose standards? It's now common practice in European leagues for the teams ranked 7th-10th to have a pre-playoff round to decide spots 7 and 8. It's an arousing success financially here in Germany, even if there are critics. Many may not care for the idea (I love it in Europe; don't need it in the NHL), but the GM meetings are in place for a number of reasons, suggestions on what they could do differently around the league being the main one. It's where they discuss a number of things being successfully practiced in other leagues (like i.e. no-touch icing).
I definitely hear ya on the Jaffe and season ticket fronts. Less so on the idea of having a camp in China. I don't feel it embarasses the organization or if it does, it shouldn't. It was an idea, it was different - it didn't happen and prolly for good reasons. No big deal. And the NHL diversity office was alllllllll about that idea like flies on s**t. But I digress...
Where I feel you're really going off track is with this comment:
That's nothing more than conjecture.
In fact, no less than the attempt to grab and sign Erhoff before he hit UFAgency would speak HEAVILY against this conjecture.
As for actually only being slightly above the cap floor, it doesn't have to be a bad thing when you simply have a bunch of guys on excellent, excellent contracts.
Being shrewd and thrifty is not automatically to be equated with being cheap - or even non-competitive. Nashville has been a regular playoff team despite similar financial practices.
This said, we clearly see a need or two that hasn't been dealt with yet this summer. We'll see in what manner it is dealt with before the start of the season.
NHL diversity office. Seriously who cares? The league does not include Communist China, and fans here have suffered for years, they deserve to have the camp HERE. UNBELIEVABLE.
• Promoting a training camp in CHINA that fell flat because he didn't get his lighthouse and therefore didn't need to go drum up Chinese investors. STUPID because it adds to bad press/perception around the league.
Ummmm it was cancelled over an issue with some issue with the PA. They was something going on with a "suggested donation it seems. Nothing to do with the lighthouse. Just because something doesn't work out business wise doesn't make it an embaressment.
• Asking season ticket holders to pony up money upfront, renew for multiple seasons while taking away privileges. Having his GM assure fans that he had a GREEN light to spend (LIES) all while not intending on spending past cap floor. STUPID because it's bad press around the league.
Let's see if the team isn't making as much money then of course they will be cutting back on privilages because money becomes tight. It's a business after all. Also Snow has been trying to get free agents and there even has been reports from agents in the past that Snow has offered more. Just because they aren't deviating from their strategy doesn't make it a lie. Just because your upset doesn't make it an embaressment.
• Insisting that Billy Jaffe gets released because he was NOT positive enough while having corporate brown noser Butch Goring take his place. Sorry Butchie, love ya but your rose colored glasses are too big.
We all agree Butchie sucks, but until Jaffe confirms that to me it's hearsay. I was always under the impression that Jaffe makes a lot more during the season on the NHL Network and Versus than he did with the Isles. Seemed like a business move to me.
• Having Garth Snow embarrass himself and the team by suggesting a PLAY IN playoff 8th seed tournament making us the laughing stock of the annual GM meetings.
See Chapin, also this was a business idea. Think about it get an extra game or two and make revenue from the gate. Businessmen throw out ideas all the time that may seem out there and get shot down 99.9% of the time. Don't think of it from a hockey point of view but a business one and it works. I'm not a fan of it but I'm not going to kill the guy for having Snow present a business idea. As much as I love the NHL the idea was presented to the wrong people. These are all hockey guys not businessmen so they'll mock the idea because they have no clue.
Shall I friggen continue??????
Good grief do some people follow hockey and think for themselves or do they actually read the carefully sugarcoated releases via Katie Strang and some of the bloggers who are willfully biased because they have credentials?
EVERYTHING concerns the team. On ice and off as it affects the team in one way or another.
Do I have to explain that too???[/QUOTE]
Your right everything concerns the team. I'm not Wang's biggest fan by any stretch of the imagination but his ideas are things to help teams make money which he is/was very very good at no matter what your perception is of him.
Also concerning the structure of the team I give him a pass just because I see how Snow is building it. I don't need any commentator or announcer to tell me this team is on the verge of being very good and I'm patient enough to know what their strategy is and even though it's a painful one it's one that is going to help them succeed long term and not be one that has a couple year window but one that is built for long term success.
Keep changing things around. Your transparent to most. You failed. 
) and I can't remember ever hearing about that last point.
