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09-03-2011, 05:17 PM
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Done.

I'm in love with Schenn and breaking up Mac and the USSR would be painful, but Doughty is Doughty. Drew replaces Schenn (and then some), and we can get someone to take over for Kuli with relative ease sooner or later. Kadri, Frattin, etc. 2nd line wingers are easier to come by than franchise d-men. Plus, having your top pair consist of 2 <26 year old Norris nominees would be too sexy for me to handle.

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09-03-2011, 05:25 PM
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A Big LOL to all you Leafs fans who say "Pass, we need Kulemin"....


29 teams fans know that this wouldnt even get the Kings to pick up the phone for Doughty, but for some reason you guys cant let go of Kulemin....

Man i hope you guys get real top line forwards sometime soon

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LA laughs at us. I do not like where this thread is going to go.

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We went from Kulemin and Schenn to Crosby and something more...BRILLIANT! Because that's EXACTLY how high we overrate Doughty.
That's not my point. What I mean is, name your price and I'll listen:

To LA: Crosby + ?

To Pit: Doughty + ?

Now you fill in the blanks, and I'll agree.

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09-03-2011, 05:38 PM
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Kings tell Burke to go choke on something.

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09-03-2011, 05:39 PM
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please, Kulemin hasn't done enough at this point to seen as being better than any of our top 4 wingers, all proven 55+ point getters. He's good, but he needs more than 1 50 point year
Please, I could say the same about Doughty. He's good, but he needs more than 1 50 point year (59). Last season he only had 40 points, which Drew Doughty am I getting.

Anyone can bend facts, stats etc... the way you are.

You see a DFD and a 50 point winger? I see a young stud DFD with 30 point elite #2 potential who can shutdown even the best, a young 30G scoring winger who can find chemistry with nearly anyone, can play in any situation, could be competing for the selke in his prime and has improved his game every year since entering the league and will only get better.

In return we get a young D who had a great season 2 years ago but had a disappointing season last year. He's clearly getting worse and he's Dion Phaneuf 2.0, but a crappier version.


See how anyone can do what you did?

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09-03-2011, 05:41 PM
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40 points from a 21 year old defenseman is disappointing? Jesus.

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09-03-2011, 05:46 PM
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Please, I could say the same about Doughty. He's good, but he needs more than 1 50 point year (59). Last season he only had 40 points, which Drew Doughty am I getting.

Anyone can bend facts, stats etc... the way you are.

You see a DFD and a 50 point winger? I see a young stud DFD with 30 point elite #2 potential who can shutdown even the best, a young 30G scoring winger who can find chemistry with nearly anyone, can play in any situation, could be competing for the selke in
his prime and has improved his game every year since entering the league and will only get better.

In return we get a young D who had a great season 2 years ago
but had a disappointing season last year. He's clearly getting worse and he's Dion Phaneuf 2.0, but a crappier version.


See how anyone can do what you
did?


I see a homer leafs fan, Doughty is younger and better.

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09-03-2011, 05:47 PM
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yep 40 points in 76 games despite suffering a concussion meaning he wasnt at full 100% in games after he came back, all while being the #1 dman on a top 5 team in the league for GAA

what a bust

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09-03-2011, 05:50 PM
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The Leafs don't need Doughty - he wouldn't even play on our top pair.

Kulemin will be more valuable than Doughty next year, and from now on. And you want us to add Schenn??? LOL

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I think LA would have a hard time finding a reason to do this deal.

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09-03-2011, 05:51 PM
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Please, I could say the same about Doughty. He's good, but he needs more than 1 50 point year (59). Last season he only had 40 points, which Drew Doughty am I getting.

Anyone can bend facts, stats etc... the way you are.

You see a DFD and a 50 point winger? I see a young stud DFD with 30 point elite #2 potential who can shutdown even the best, a young 30G scoring winger who can find chemistry with nearly anyone, can play in any situation, could be competing for the selke in his prime and has improved his game every year since entering the league and will only get better.

In return we get a young D who had a great season 2 years ago but had a disappointing season last year. He's clearly getting worse and he's Dion Phaneuf 2.0, but a crappier version.


See how anyone can do what you did?
Man, fifth in the league in time on ice per game, not to mention 40 points, and that's a disappointing season? The same guy who outscored Phaneuf, Toronto's highest scoring defenseman, by 10 points - and that even though he outscored and outplayed him, Doughty is somehow worse than Phaneuf?

Your elite shutdown defenseman isn't even as good of a defender as Doughty. Doughty's defense really is underrated. People love getting on Doughty's case now because it is popular to hate him. He is no longer everyone's little secret and so now everyone has something negative to say about him. He's 21 for crying out loud! You'd think he's on the downslope of his career, the way certain people talk about him.

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09-03-2011, 06:02 PM
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Man, fifth in the league in time on ice per game, not to mention 40 points, and that's a disappointing season? The same guy who outscored Phaneuf, Toronto's highest scoring defenseman, by 10 points - and that even though he outscored and outplayed him, Doughty is somehow worse than Phaneuf?

Your elite shutdown defenseman isn't even as good of a defender as Doughty. Doughty's defense really is underrated. People love getting on Doughty's case now because it is popular to hate him. He is no longer everyone's little secret and so now everyone has something negative to say about him. He's 21 for crying out loud! You'd think he's on the downslope of his career, the way certain people talk about him.
Schenn is better than Doughty defensively .. Doughty got Schenn beat in the offensive category by 20ish points ...

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09-03-2011, 06:06 PM
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I guess some people really don't understand what I was trying to say.

I wasn't saying Schenn+Kulemin are jesus and Doughty is awful.

What I was trying to show is how anyone can use bias to make a trade look bad for their side or justify it just like sw1tch was doing.

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09-03-2011, 06:14 PM
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i'd rather give up Kessel + Franson + something else


Schenn-Doughty
Aulie-Phaneuf
Liles-Gunnarsson
Komi/Gardiner

drool

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09-03-2011, 06:18 PM
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Why do we want Doughty?
Because you wanna make the playoffs in the next 10 years? Any leaf fan who doesnt take this is mentally challenged

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09-03-2011, 06:37 PM
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The Leafs don't need Doughty - he wouldn't even play on our top pair.

Kulemin will be more valuable than Doughty next year, and from now on. And you want us to add Schenn??? LOL
dude, don't quit your day job,

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id like to see what the fans saying no think is a good offer for Doughty, since its obviously less than a 2nd line winger and a top line defensive defensman
Doughty is overrated and overpaid......It dosen't help that he LA Fans seem to value their players and prospects a little too much

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09-03-2011, 06:43 PM
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Doughty is overrated and overpaid......It dosen't help that he LA Fans seem to value their players and prospects a little too much
He doesn't even have a contract yet.

I understand that the Leafs have a strong blue line, just like the Kings, but let's be reality here. Doughty is miles better than Kulemin. If an offer like the one the OP proposed comes about, Burke takes the deal. You move other pieces to replace what you shipped off to get Doughty.

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He doesn't even have a contract yet.

I understand that the Leafs have a strong blue line, just like the Kings, but let's be reality here. Doughty is miles better than Kulemin. If an offer like the one the OP proposed comes about, Burke takes the deal. You move other pieces to replace what you shipped off to get Doughty.
i agree with this, Doughty has more value than Kulemin and Schenn

just dont think Burke would do this deal, he loses our best Defensive Dman + our best defensive forward

Doughty is great, i'd love to have him on our team, but i dont see how this deal would work out, we would only have 1 shutdown dman in Aulie ...... and komisarek

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09-03-2011, 06:49 PM
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I do this deal... I might even throw in a 1st if it was the deal maker.
It would be beautiful if the leafs got doughty, if we got doughty... who cares about a #1 center? Only drawback would be that I know kulemin is going to break out this year, but whatever... he'll never be the best LW in the league.

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A Big LOL to all you Leafs fans who say "Pass, we need Kulemin"....


29 teams fans know that this wouldnt even get the Kings to pick up the phone for Doughty, but for some reason you guys cant let go of Kulemin....

Man i hope you guys get real top line forwards sometime soon
Well Not everyone values Doughty as much as one team's fans who have already invested so much in him........Leafs problem isn't defense....and Doughty's Defense is shabby at best.

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I do this deal... I might even throw in a 1st if it was the deal maker.
It would be beautiful if the leafs got doughty, if we got doughty... who cares about a #1 center? Only drawback would be that I know kulemin is going to break out this year, but whatever... he'll never be the best LW in the league.
throw in a 1st? why?

with that 1st we can attempt to draft that #1 center that we haven't had since Sundin...



whatever, this wont happen anyways so i wont address the amount of stupidity coming from everyone in this thread

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Well Not everyone values Doughty as much as one team's fans who have already invested so much in him........Leafs problem isn't defense....and Doughty's Defense is shabby at best.


Care to share your reasons why his defense is "shabby at best" ?

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