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08-09-2014, 01:00 PM
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2014 MLD Assasination Thread

Most of us have our rosters done now, so I thought I'd post this thread, will post the Caribous final roster later today or tomorrow.

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thanks for starting this Tony, I was about to do that right now.

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Mt. Brydges Bulldogs



Coach: Jan Starsi
Captain: Pat Flatley
Assistants: Weldy Young, Tom Lysiak, Mark Streit

Alexander Semin-Mike Ribeiro-Tomas Sandstrom
Steve Sullivan-Tom Lysiak-Phil Kessel
Gaetan Duchesne-Michal Handzus-Leo Labine
Bob Probert-Lorne Henning-Pat Flatley
Metro Prystai, Vinny Prospal

Larry Hillman-Bob Murdoch
Ted Graham-Weldy Young
Mark Streit-Bob Trapp
George Owen, Behn Wilson

Olaf Kolzig

Dan Bouchard


PP1

Semin-Ribeiro-Sandstrom
Streit-Young

PP2

Lysiak-Sullivan-Kessel
Hillman-Streit

PK1

Duchesne-Henning
Graham-Murdoch

PK2

Handzus-Flatley
Hillman-Trapp


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Steve Thomas - Sven Tumba - Art Gagne
Valeri Kamensky - Bill Hay - Marian Stastny
Don Maloney - Mikko Koivu - Mike Knuble
Jim Peplinski - Bill Clement - Wally Hergesheimer
Martin Straka, Billy McGimsie

Mattias Norström - Darryl Sydor
Marty McSorely - Alexei Zhitnik
Jeff Beukeboom - Mike Milbury
Uwe Krupp, Ivan Tregubov

Kirk McLean
Kelly Hrudey

Coached by Bobby Kromm

PP1

Steve Thomas - Sven Tumba - Art Gagne
Wally Hergesheimer - Alexei Zhitnik

PP2

Valeri Kamensky - Bill Hay - Marian Stastny
Darryl Sydor - Mike Knuble

PK1

Don Maloney - Mikko Koivu
Mattias Norström - Jeff Beukeboom

PK2

Jim Peplinski - Bill Clement
Darryl Sydor - Marty McSorley

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Head Coach: Herb Brooks
Captain: Rick Ley
Assistant Captains: Gerard Gallant, Rick Meagher

ROSTER

Gerard Gallant - Marc Savard - Stephane Richer
John Ogrodnick - Peter McNab - Dave Christian
Murph Chamberlain - Rick Meagher - Gary Dornhoefer
Harry "Moose" Watson - Dave Gagner - Petr Sykora
David Krejci

Rick Ley - Dmitry Yushkevich
Petr Svoboda - Mike O'Connell
Keith Yandle - Pavel Kubina
Rick Green

Jiri Kralik
Tom Paton

Spares:
Rick Green, D
David Krejci, C
Jack Marks, F/D
Anton Stastny, RW

PP 1: John Ogrodnick, Marc Savard, Stephane Richer, Mike O'connell, Peter Mcnab
PP 2: gerard Gallant, Dave Gagner, Dave Christian, Keith Yandle, Dmitri Yuskevich
PK 1: Murph Chamberlain, Rick Meagher, Rick Ley, Dmitri yushevich
PK 2: Dave Gagner, gary Dornhoefer, Petr Svoboda, Pavel Kubina


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PP1: Tardif - Backstrom - Shalimov - McCabe - Van Boxmeer
PP2: Hamill - Gomez - Lala - Kronwall - Marois
PK1: Burns - Maki - Fontinato - Traub
PK2: Zamuner - Cotton - McCabe - Marois
PK3: Sands/Backstrom/Sundstrom

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Coach : Marc Crawford

Thomas Vanek - Claude Giroux - Keith Crowder
Venjamin Alexandrov - Victor Shuvalov - Konstantin Loktev
Shawn Burr - David Backes (A) - Rich Preston
Milan Lucic - Todd Marchant - Rob Niedermayer
Ex : Fred "Steamer" Maxwell, Ron Duagay


Pekka Rautakallio (C) - Lars Bjorn
Walt Buswell (A) - Mike Green
Fredrik Olausson - Alex Levinsky
Ex : Jason Smith, Tom Hooper

Wilf Cude
Pekka Rinne

Power Play

PP1

Thomas Vanek - Claude Giroux - Keith Crowder
Fredrik Olausson - Mike Green

PP2

Venjamin Alexandrov - Victor Shuvalov - Konstantin Loktev
Pekka Rautakallio - Lars Bjorn

Penalty Kill

PK1
Todd Marchant - Rich Preston
Walt Buswell - Alex Levinsky

PK2
David Backes - Shawn Burr
Pekka Rautakallio - Lars Bjorn



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Coach: Red Berenson
Captain: Allan "Scotty" Davidson
Alternate Captains: Mike Rogers, Claude Larose

Pierre Mondou - Dennis Maruk - Moose Goheen
Ulf Sterner - Guy Chouinard - Allan "Scotty" Davidson
Murray Craven - Mike Rogers - Claude Larose
Darcy Tucker - Larry Patey - Cliff Koroll

Garry Galley - Francois Beauchemin
Warren Godfrey - Sami Salo
Brad Stuart - Jocelyn Guevremont

Nikolai Khabibulin
Mike Karakas

Spares: Dolly Swift, Dale Tallon, Sergei Babinov, Dallas Drake

PP1: Galley - Maruk - Sterner - Chouinard - Salo
PP2: Guevremont - Mondou - Davidson - Rogers - Goheen

PK1: Patey - Mondou - Beauchemin - Stuart
PK2: Craven - Larose - Godfrey - Salo

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Coach: Emile Francis

Brian Bellows - Harry Smith - Eddie Wiseman
Nikolai Drozdetsky - Billy Taylor - Mush March
Pud Glass (A) - Jaroslav Holik - Jason Pominville
Nick Libett (A) - Pete Stemkowski - Bill Fairbairn
Spares: Johnny Gagnon, Buzz Boll

Paul Shmyr (C) - Bingo Kampman
Doug Jarrett - Lubomir Visnovsky
Joe Watson - Bob Murray
Spares:Gordie Roberts, Udo Kiessling

Roger Crozier
Tomas Vokoun

PP 1: Bellows-Smith-Wiseman-Visnovsky-Murray
PP 2: Drozdetsky-Taylor-March-Shmyr-Pominville

PK 1: Glass-Fairbairn-Watson-Kampman
PK 2: Stemkowski-Libett-Jarrett-Shmyr

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PP1: Tardif - Backstrom - Shalimov - McCabe - Van Boxmeer
PP2: Hamill - Gomez - Lala - Kronwall - Marois
PK1: Burns - Maki - Fontinato - Traub
PK2: Zamuner - Cotton - McCabe - Marois
PK3: Sands/Backstrom/Sundstrom
As usual, I will try to offer comments to every team that has bios linked in their roster post. Since I joined this draft late in the process, my valuation of what is good/bad for a certain line or pairing will likely be slightly off. I apologize in advance for this.

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Looks like a very good first line. Backstrom is one of the best offensive players in the draft, and he's flanked by two goalscorers that can take advantage of his passing abilities. For being the "glue guy" of the line, Tardif brings very good offense. Convert his WHA point totals and his 7 year VsX comes out to around 64.5. They'll be fine defensively, nothing special.

If Gomez is the most pass-biased player in the draft, Hamill might be the most goal-biased, so they'll feed off each other well. Lala is a very strong offensive player for a second line. This line can definitely put up some points, and Hamill works as the physical guy. They appear a bit weak defensively, as Hamill and Lala don't really bring anything in that department, and from my viewings Gomez was inconsistent with his defensive play (correct me if I'm wrong, you've certainly seen him more). Very strong offensively though.

Nice mix of intangibles on the third line. They'll be gritty, can chip in points, and are very capable in their own zone as well. No complaints here. Could play in all situations.

4th line looks like a shutdown, PKer filled line. They won't be scoring too many goals, but they'll serve their purpose on the PK and in shadowing situations.

Don't see any big weaknesses with the forwards. Very talented top six and a useful bottom six. If I had to nitpick something it would probably be the defensive ability of the second line or that Tardif's glue guy abilities are not as substantiated as I would prefer. There's two quotes, and one is from his coach (and I believe it was you that has mentioned to take what coaches say about their own players with a grain of salt).

Defense

This could be me just perceiving value wrong, but Fontinato seems a bit out of place on a top pairing. Seems more like a second pairing guy to me. He's an interesting choice to go with McCabe, as both were a bit reckless out on the ice and could take themselves out of position going for the big hit. They'll be very difficult to play against, that's for sure. McCabe is probably one of the best defensemen in the draft.

Seems like a solid, but unspectacular second pairing. They bring everything necessary, but neither stands out as being elite in their role.

Would it be crazy to think that Traub could be your second best defenseman? He has three seasons of probably being a ~top 12 defenseman in the world, but it's hard to judge. Either way, I think he's very good for a 3rd pairing, and complements a puck-mover in Van Boxmeer well.

McCabe and Traub stand out as being good in their roles, the others seem about average.

Goalies

Hutton has typically been an ATD backup, so he should be a solid option here, an above average goalie (though I have little concept of the goalies in this draft). Edwards could pass as a starter in this draft, so he's a nice backup.

Special Teams

Your talented top six gives you two dangerous power play units. Both should be strong and above average in the draft. PK units looks solid as well.

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Mt. Brydges Bulldogs



Coach: Jan Starsi

Alexander Semin-Mike Ribeiro-Tomas Sandstrom
Tom Lysiak-Steve Sullivan-Phil Kessel
Gaetan Duchesne-Michal Handzus-Leo Labine
Bob Probert-Lorne Henning-Pat Flatley
Metro Prystai, Vinny Prospal

Larry Hillman-Bob Murdoch
Ted Graham-Weldy Young
Mark Streit-Bob Trapp
George Owen, Behn Wilson

Olaf Kolzig

Dan Bouchard


PP1

Semin-Ribeiro-Sandstrom
Streit-Young

PP2

Lysiak-Sullivan-Kessel
Hillman-Murdoch

PK1

Duchesne-Henning
Graham-Murdoch

PK2

Handzus-Flatley
Hillman-Wilson
The first thing that jumps out to me is that you've got quite a few eccentrics on the team: Ribeiro, Probert, Syomin, Kessel. What can you tell me about your leadership (and who's wearing letters) and coaching that will make this a cohesive group?

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Coach: Alf Smith

Craig Simpson - Craig Janney - Vincent Lukac
Vyacheslav Kozlov - Barry Pederson - Justin Williams
Shayne Corson (A) - Jeff Carter - Sami Kapanen
Dave Tippett - Jordan Staal - Scott Mellanby (A)
Martin Gelinas, Erich Kühnhackl

Kenny Jonsson (C) - Drew Doughty
Roman Hamrlik - Sylvain Cote
Bruce Driver - Phat Wilson
Keith Carney, Bill Juzda

Sean Burke
Jonathan Quick

PP1: Simpson - Janney - Lukac - Hamrlik - Doughty
PP2: Kozlov - Corson - Carter - Driver - Pederson

PK1: Tippett - Staal - Jonsson - Doughty
PK2: Williams - Kapanen - Wilson - Cote



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Thanks for the review; I agree with most of it.

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As usual, I will try to offer comments to every team that has bios linked in their roster post. Since I joined this draft late in the process, my valuation of what is good/bad for a certain line or pairing will likely be slightly off. I apologize in advance for this.

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Looks like a very good first line. Backstrom is one of the best offensive players in the draft, and he's flanked by two goalscorers that can take advantage of his passing abilities. For being the "glue guy" of the line, Tardif brings very good offense. Convert his WHA point totals and his 7 year VsX comes out to around 64.5. They'll be fine defensively, nothing special.

If Gomez is the most pass-biased player in the draft, Hamill might be the most goal-biased, so they'll feed off each other well. Lala is a very strong offensive player for a second line. This line can definitely put up some points, and Hamill works as the physical guy. They appear a bit weak defensively, as Hamill and Lala don't really bring anything in that department, and from my viewings Gomez was inconsistent with his defensive play (correct me if I'm wrong, you've certainly seen him more). Very strong offensively though.

Nice mix of intangibles on the third line. They'll be gritty, can chip in points, and are very capable in their own zone as well. No complaints here. Could play in all situations.

4th line looks like a shutdown, PKer filled line. They won't be scoring too many goals, but they'll serve their purpose on the PK and in shadowing situations.

Don't see any big weaknesses with the forwards. Very talented top six and a useful bottom six. If I had to nitpick something it would probably be the defensive ability of the second line or that Tardif's glue guy abilities are not as substantiated as I would prefer. There's two quotes, and one is from his coach (and I believe it was you that has mentioned to take what coaches say about their own players with a grain of salt).
Quotes where a coach lavishes excessive praise on his own player should be ignored - the example off the top of my head is when Bill Cook's old coach declared him the best player of all-time after Maurice Richard and Gordie Howe had already established themselves. Here, Scottie Bowman is telling the media that he is keeping a young Marc Tardif in the lineup as a physical presence. I see no reason to think that is an evaluation made through rose-colored glasses, just a mention of the (at the time) standout skill of a young, unproven player. I think it's pretty clear that Tardif was used primarily as a physical presence in Montreal - how much he kept up that physical game when he exploded offensively in the WHA is less clear.

"Inconsistent" is a good description of Gomez's defensive effort.

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This could be me just perceiving value wrong, but Fontinato seems a bit out of place on a top pairing. Seems more like a second pairing guy to me. He's an interesting choice to go with McCabe, as both were a bit reckless out on the ice and could take themselves out of position going for the big hit. They'll be very difficult to play against, that's for sure. McCabe is probably one of the best defensemen in the draft.

Seems like a solid, but unspectacular second pairing. They bring everything necessary, but neither stands out as being elite in their role.

Would it be crazy to think that Traub could be your second best defenseman? He has three seasons of probably being a ~top 12 defenseman in the world, but it's hard to judge. Either way, I think he's very good for a 3rd pairing, and complements a puck-mover in Van Boxmeer well.

McCabe and Traub stand out as being good in their roles, the others seem about average.
I don't see why Percy Traub or your Bob Pratt fell so far - IMO, they are among the best defensive defensemen in the entire draft with their multiple All-Star nods in the WCHL.

But I think Fontinato is one of the best defensive defensemen too. Very few defensemen in the MLD have more than one top 10 Norris finish, and Lou has two - 7th in 1959 and 9th in 1963.

I could see Traub moving up to this pairing if Fontinato is serving a long penalty.

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Hutton has typically been an ATD backup, so he should be a solid option here, an above average goalie (though I have little concept of the goalies in this draft). Edwards could pass as a starter in this draft, so he's a nice backup.
Hutton is really hard to evaluate. We had our eyes on 3 non-NHL goalies - Lindmark, Kralik, and Hutton. (Possibly should have had our eyes on Martin too). When Lindmark and Kralik went, we went with Hutton. What we do know about Hutton - he backstopped the Silver Seven dynasty and is the only HHOF goalie not drafted in the main draft. It's pretty sparse information, and IIRC, there wasn't much more on google archives even when it worked properly. I do think that with what we know, there's a pretty good chance that Hutton is an above average goaltender here. At the very least, he shouldn't be far behind fellow HHOFer Riley Hern (if behind him at all), and he should definitely be ahead of the non-HHOF early goalies like Tom Paton and Billy Nicholson

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Thanks for the review; I agree with most of it.



Quotes where a coach lavishes excessive praise on his own player should be ignored - the example off the top of my head is when Bill Cook's old coach declared him the best player of all-time after Maurice Richard and Gordie Howe had already established themselves. Here, Scottie Bowman is telling the media that he is keeping a young Marc Tardif in the lineup as a physical presence. I see no reason to think that is an evaluation made through rose-colored glasses, just a mention of the (at the time) standout skill of a young, unproven player. I think it's pretty clear that Tardif was used primarily as a physical presence in Montreal - how much he kept up that physical game when he exploded offensively in the WHA is less clear.

"Inconsistent" is a good description of Gomez's defensive effort.



I don't see why Percy Traub or your Bob Pratt fell so far - IMO, they are among the best defensive defensemen in the entire draft with their multiple All-Star nods in the WCHL.

But I think Fontinato is one of the best defensive defensemen too. Very few defensemen in the MLD have more than one top 10 Norris finish, and Lou has two - 7th in 1959 and 9th in 1963.

I could see Traub moving up to this pairing if Fontinato is serving a long penalty.



Hutton is really hard to evaluate. We had our eyes on 3 non-NHL goalies - Lindmark, Kralik, and Hutton. (Possibly should have had our eyes on Martin too). When Lindmark and Kralik went, we went with Hutton. What we do know about Hutton - he backstopped the Silver Seven dynasty and is the only HHOF goalie not drafted in the main draft. It's pretty sparse information, and IIRC, there wasn't much more on google archives even when it worked properly. I do think that with what we know, there's a pretty good chance that Hutton is an above average goaltender here. At the very least, he shouldn't be far behind fellow HHOFer Riley Hern (if behind him at all), and he should definitely be ahead of the non-HHOF early goalies like Tom Paton and Billy Nicholson
- If anyone wants a detailed description of Gomez' defense look at my MLD2012 bio; I left nothing out, good or bad. I'd say "inconsistent" is a tad generous, just going off my memory. (I remember being a little disappointed, thinking a longtime Devil would be at least average)

- Traub I'd say you're right about. But Trapp played some forward and was on one or two all-star teams as a "spare" and we're not even 100% sure what that means - next best defenseman, or best player who was actually a spare. Trapp scares me a bit for that reason. Traub is solid.

- I don't think Fontinato is really all that great defensively. As a guy who's had him four times (9, 11, 2010, 2011), I get the impression that for a long time he was seen as a goon with just good enough hockey skills to survive. He worked on his skills and briefly improved enough to be seen as a quite competent player and earned some all-star votes, possibly only as a result of that.

I do think he's a very good player, and in the absence of all-star/norris votes I think just by lasting in the O6 as long as he did (7.6 seasons worth of games, though for mostly bad teams) he'd be an MLD-caliber player before you take into consideration his value as a niche player, that being that he's likely the MLD's heavyweight champion fighter (a couple others have a claim too)... I just don't think his defensive skill was standout at all.

- Hutton is definitely a top-5 goalie here. I know information on him is sparse but if one is going to try to prove that he doesn't belong in his spot in ATD/MLD canon, they have a tough road ahead of them too. He's got the winning history and he's in the HHOF, and Iain's points allocation system (which is the best objective numerical system we have currently for player contributions in the era) seems to agree he belongs ahead of the likes of Nicholson (whom you know I'm pretty high on).

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The first thing that jumps out to me is that you've got quite a few eccentrics on the team: Ribeiro, Probert, Syomin, Kessel. What can you tell me about your leadership (and who's wearing letters) and coaching that will make this a cohesive group?
Completely forgot about letters. Pat Flatley will be getting the C, with As going to Weldy Young, Tom Lysiak, and Mark Streit. All were a captain for multiple seasons in their career (Flatley was the Islanders' captain from 1991-1996), and the first three were known as no-nonsense players on the ice, so hopefully that will help counter some of the personality problems with Ribeiro and Semin. They're not legendary leaders (but is anyone in the MLD?). I don't see Kessel being a problem. Yeah, he's eccentric but he's just weird, not a locker room cancer.

As for Starsi, I don't think he was known as either a strict or lax coach. He was the coach of the Czech team in the late 70s when they performed pretty well against the Soviets. I believe he was the sort of co-coach alongside Jaroslav Pitner (who was picked in the ATD). However, Starsi is in the IIHF Hall of Fame and Pitner is not. His teams played the left wing lock, which mine is not ideally built to do. However, I mostly drafted him based on having success as a coach against those Soviet teams.

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Coach : Marc Crawford

Thomas Vanek - Claude Giroux - Keith Crowder
Venjamin Alexandrov - Victor Shuvalov - Konstantin Loktev
Shawn Burr - David Backes (A) - Rich Preston
Milan Lucic - Todd Marchant - Rob Niedermayer
Ex : Fred "Steamer" Maxwell, Ron Duagay


Pekka Rautakallio (C) - Lars Bjorn
Walt Buswell (A) - Mike Green
Fredrik Olausson - Alex Levinsky
Ex : Jason Smith, Tom Hooper

Wilf Cude
Pekka Rinne

Power Play

PP1

Thomas Vanek - Claude Giroux - Keith Crowder
Fredrik Olausson - Mike Green

PP2

Venjamin Alexandrov - Victor Shuvalov - Konstantin Loktev
Pekka Rautakallio - Lars Bjorn

Penalty Kill

PK1
Todd Marchant - Rich Preston
Walt Buswell - Alex Levinsky

PK2
David Backes - Shawn Burr
Pekka Rautakallio - Lars Bjorn

Forwards

Vanek is one of the best offensive wingers in this draft, and Giroux probably has the 4 best seasons of anyone in this draft, so you've got a very deadly offensive duo with those two. Crowder's offense is rather weak for a first liner here (just five seasons above 40 VsX, never cracking more than 60), but he has the right skillset to backcheck and do the dirty work for those two.

Not a big fan of the second line. There are questions about the competition that all three faced. I would be okay with one of them alongside two more proven quantities against the best in the world, but three of them is more than I would prefer.

This 3rd line will be a very effective two-way grinding line. They should thrive on the cycle. All three brings physicality and good two-way play to the table. They'll be able to chip in some points as well.

4th line brings a mix of toughness and defensive ability. Won't score too many points, but look like a classic 4th line.

Defense

Bjorn and Rautakallio work stylistically with their contrasting offensive/defensive styles. Bjorn faces the same questions about his competition that your Soviet 2nd line faced. He did win one Best Defenseman award, which is nice, but it was in 1954. I never realized this, but he was huge for his era at 6'4", 227 lbs. Convert that to the modern game and you're talking ~6'6", 240. Rautakallio had a brief but eventful NHL career. He's an elite offensive defenseman.

I like your second pairing more than your first. Buswell is one of the better defensive defensemen in the draft, and Green is elite offensively, despite having his issues defensively. They complement each other well.

The third pairing has a similar offensive guy-defensive guy feel to it. They'll both be solid in their roles, nothing earth shattering.

Goalies

Cude looks to be an above average starter, Rinne a good enough backup.

PP

Very dangerous first unit, second unit suffers due to questions about the forwards. How was Bjorn offensively? I always saw him as more of a defensive defenseman. He looks a bit out of place on a PP, but you don't really have any other great options. Levinsky might be a better option.

PK

PK forwards look good, Levinsky looks a bit out of place on a first PK unit. If you put him on the second PP ahead of Bjorn, you could put Bjorn on the first PK unit, where his big body alongside Buswell would make for an intimidating defensive pairing.

Questions about the second line and first pairing, but an otherwise solid squad.

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Discussion of Fontinato's Norris voting made me want to take a look at guys who seem to be defensive-defenseman but cracked the top 10 in award voting. Let me know if there's someone I overlooked creating these tables.

Here's what I found breaking the results down by era as the awards up for voting, and the statistics that could influence them, changed over time.

Pre-AST
 Hart Placement (Among D)Point FinishesYear
Dunc Munro7th (3rd)10th1927

Pre-Norris
 AST PlacementsPoint FinishesYears
Bingo Kampman6th, 7th, 8th25th, 17th, 10th1941, 1942, 1940
Walt Buswell6th, 7th, 10th6th, 14th, 24th1938, 1939, 1936
Ted Graham7th, 7th14th, 8th1931, 1933
Marty Burke5th15th1932

Pre-Expansion
AST PlacementsNorris PlacementsPoint FinishesYears
Tex Evans5th, 13th, 13th (2 votes)5th, 12th, 12th (1 vote)16th, 25th, 22nd1962, 1961, 1957
Lou Fontinato? (only have top 5), 15th7th, 9th17th, 26th1959, 1963
Doug Jarrett7th7th8th1967

Post-Expansion
AST PlacementsNorris PlacementsPoint FinishesPlus/Minus Rank*Years
Dan Hamhuis10th, 16th10th, 16th22nd, 20th2nd, 22nd2012, 2013
Francois Beauchemin4th4th20th1st2013
Rick Green8th9th121st71st1987
Brent Seabrook10th13th (2 votes)48th11th2010
Doug Jarrett11th11th18th5th1970
*When calculating Plus/Minus ranks I looked at only defenseman and used a 40 GP minimum

Some takeaways:
- Kampman and Buswell are the only players to crack the top 10 in AST voting three times. Ted Graham is the only other player with two top 10 finishes.
- Fontinato is the only player to crack the top 10 in Norris voting twice.
- Burke, Kampman, Buswell, Evans, Beauchemin are the only players to crack the top 6 in AST, each once, making a 1st, 2nd, or "3rd" AST. Munro's finish, 3rd in Hart voting among defensemen, also belongs in this group.
- Munro only played one season after AST voting was introduced so he doesn't compare well to the others.
- Burke also played three full seasons before AST voting was introduced.
- Every instance on the tables where one of these players finished top 10 in defensemen scoring was before expansion when there were fewer defensemen in the league and generally defensemen seemed to create less offense than later on.
- Beauchemin (1st), Hamhuis (2nd), and Jarrett (5th) are the only instances a defensemen finished top 10 in the +/- ranks I used.
- There was nothing statistically significant about Rick Green's season (points or +/-) so he must have really passed the eye test in 1987.


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Ted Graham finished 7th in AS voting in 1931 and 1933.

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Ted Graham finished 7th in AS voting in 1931 and 1933.
Good call, let me edit him in.

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- There was nothing statistically significant about Rick Green's season (points or +/-) so he must have really passed the eye test in 1987.
When I drafted Rick Green in the past, I concluded that his votes in 1987 were probably largely because of how well he played in the 1986 playoffs as a defensive defenseman for the Cup winning Canadiens.

Pretty common for a defensive defenseman or forward to get his recognition the season after a great playoffs (Sami Pahlson's runner up Selke finish, for example).

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When I drafted Rick Green in the past, I concluded that his votes in 1987 were probably largely because of how well he played in the 1986 playoffs as a defensive defenseman for the Cup winning Canadiens.

Pretty common for a defensive defenseman or forward to get his recognition the season after a great playoffs (Sami Pahlson's runner up Selke finish, for example).
Oh that's good to know. His award voting definitely jumped out and I wasn't sure what else to make of it.

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Regina

Coach: Darryl Sutter

Dennis Hextall - Herb Jordan - Harry Oliver
Andre Boudrias - Jason Allison - Real Cloutier
Bob MacMillan - Mike Ridley - Mike Murphy (A)
Terry Ruskowski (A) - Ted Hampson - Tony Granato

Dunc Munro (C) - Tomas Kaberle
Jack Evans - Gord Fraser
Marty Burke - Leo Reise Sr.

Chico Resch
Charlie Hodge

Spares:
Walter Smaill (D/F)
Bob Turner (D/W)
Charlie Tobin (F/D)
Bert McCaffrey (D/RW)


PP1:Hextall - Jordan - Oliver - Kaberle - Reise
PP2: Boudrias - Allison - Cloutier - Fraser - Munro
PK1: Ridley - Murphy - Munro - Burke
PK2: Hampson - MacMillan - Evans - Fraser
PK3: Ruskowski - Boudrias - Munro - Reise

captain: Dunc Munro (7 season NHL captain, winning cup)
assistants: Mike Murphy (6 season NHL captain), Terry Ruskowski (WHA and NHL captain for 4 teams, total of 10 seasons)
other letter wearers: Ted Hampson (two season NHL captain), Andre Boudrias & Jason Allison (one season NHL captains), Tony Granato (renowned leader)

1916 or earlier - Jordan, Smaill, McCaffrey, Tobin
1917-1942 - Oliver, Munro, Burke, Fraser, Reise
1943-1965 - Evans, Boudrias, Hodge, Hampson, Turner
1966-1979 - Hextall, Resch, Cloutier, MacMillan, Murphy, Ruskowski
1980-1994 - Allison, Ridley, Granato
1995-2004 - Sutter, Kaberle
In 2014 - Sutter


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I plan to do a review of every lineup, but in case I can't, I'm starting with those who have done reviews of a lineup. Whoever has done the most will get the next one, and so on.

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Pittsburgh Yellow Jackets

Coach: Emile Francis

Brian Bellows - Harry Smith - Eddie Wiseman
Nikolai Drozdetsky - Billy Taylor - Mush March
Pud Glass (A) - Jaroslav Holik - Jason Pominville
Nick Libett (A) - Pete Stemkowski - Bill Fairbairn
Spares: Johnny Gagnon, Buzz Boll

Paul Shmyr (C) - Bingo Kampman
Doug Jarrett - Lubomir Visnovsky
Joe Watson - Bob Murray
Spares:Gordie Roberts, Udo Kiessling

Roger Crozier
Tomas Vokoun

PP 1: Bellows-Smith-Wiseman-Visnovsky-Murray
PP 2: Drozdetsky-Taylor-March-Shmyr-Pominville

PK 1: Glass-Fairbairn-Watson-Kampman
PK 2: Stemkowski-Libett-Jarrett-Shmyr
Forwards

Wiseman is one of the best wingers in the draft. I was able to get him last year, so I know how good he is here, even with a shorter ATD. Bellows probably should have been an ATD player, so getting him here is great. His offense among power forwards is probably the best in the draft, if I was going to guess. I don't know too much about Smith, but he seems like an offensively talented guy. Wiseman and Bellows are decent passers from the wing, so having a goalscoring center can work for them, but they may be a bit light overall on playmaking. However, their offensive talent is undeniable. Don't think any were good two-way players, which appears to be their only weakness.

Two pretty big "What If" players on the second line here. Who knows what Drozdetsky could have accomplished if he didn't get on Tikhonov's bad side, and what if Taylor didn't play during the war? Taylor had some solid production before the war, but enjoyed his best two years in it, then at 28 he went from being an over PPG player to less than .5 in 1947-48 when competition started to get better again. Then he got kicked out of the league. I don't know much about his career specifically, so I could be swayed. March is a solid glue guy that brings serviceable offense and does the little things well.

Sort of a strange makeup with this line, but all three are good players that belong here. Glass a grinder and good checker with little offense, Holik a talented, physical two-way player and Pominville a softie that's good offensively for a third line and decent defensively. I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest.

Solid 4th line that can shadow and check opponents, but is not inept offensively either. They're a physical group too.

Very good first and fourth lines, second line has some questions, and I'm not sure what to make of the 3rd line.

Defense

Very strong first pairing. They'll be a physical pair that really gets the job done in their own zone. No complaints here.

Again, another strong pairing. Their styles will mesh well together, and both have impressive voting records

Once again, a very solid pairing. Both played big minutes for good teams for a long time, despite not receiving too much voting consideration.

#1 through #6, might be the best defense in the draft.

Goalies

I'd say Crozier is probably an above average starter, not the best but better than most. Vokoun is fine as a backup.

PP

First PP unit is very dangerous thanks to your top line. Would you consider putting Holik on the second unit ahead of March and have Holik be the net man? I'm not a big fan of Shmyr on a power play, but it doesn't look like you really have any better options.

PK

PK defensemen look very, very good. Forwards look solid, but do not stick out as an obvious strength like the defense does.

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Solid 4th line that can shadow and check opponents, but is not inept offensively either. They're a physical group too.
I know you're being complimentary, but you sell this line short. That's a very good 4th line. Stemkowski and Fairbairn are outstanding ES scorers and all these players have great all-around intangibles (they're all defensive and physical) - it really lacks nothing.

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