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05-17-2014, 09:48 AM
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So, where do we go from here?

With last nights heart breaking defeat, I am sure several pieces will be moved, but who gets dumped? Last night it felt like Anaheim played 20 minutes in the 3rd, and that needs to not happen.

How do we get back on the horse?

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05-17-2014, 09:56 AM
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IMO
We let Koivu retire (I'm boycotting if they re-sign him)

Trade Allen

Diminish Beauchemin's role

Trade for an Ehrhoff type defenseman

Either try to trade up in the draft for a Dal Colle/Draisaitl or trade the Ottawa pick+ Etem +Theodore for Kesler/Spezza.

This team did pretty good for having two passengers on defense last series and more than a few passengers up front.

The good news is that some of the dead weight is getting cut. We're going to be better next year (maybe not in the regular season, but for the playoff run), the question is how much better can Murray make us?

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05-17-2014, 10:18 AM
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I don't see us keeping that Ottawa pick, I expect BM to make a big trade. I see this team down the middle with Getz/Spezza-kesler/Bonino/Rakkell

Don't see defense changing much. Hoping 47 won't have a sophomore slump though

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05-17-2014, 10:23 AM
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Call me Ducksgo, but the best chance we might have for another Top 4 D-man, to build around, would be trying to get the #1 pick from FLA to take Ekblad. We certainly have the assets and I'm not a big fan of Phaneuf or any of the UFA's.


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05-17-2014, 10:27 AM
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The only thing not to like about Phaneuf at this point is his price tag. Carlyle has turned him into a very reliable defender. I don't understand why they're shopping him, frankly.

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05-17-2014, 10:38 AM
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Call me Ducksgo, but the best chance we might have for another Top 4 D-man, to build around, would be trying to get the #1 pick from FLA to take Ekblad. We certainly have the assets and I'm not a big fan of Phaneuf or any of the UFA's.
That's why you said we should sign mark Fayne at 2 yr 7 mil. Who has a horrible offensive production while being in NJ

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05-17-2014, 10:41 AM
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That's why you said we should sign mark Fayne at 2 yr 7 mil. Who has a horrible offensive production while being in NJ
I think he's the best option available that wouldn't cost any assets. We really don't need another d-man to put up points IMO. Just someone steady to play with Hampus.

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05-17-2014, 10:53 AM
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Just wanted to pop in,

After watching the most of that LA series, you guys have some extremely talented youth in Vatanen, and Smith-Pelley, you guys are about where LA was in 2010-2011 or so building a nice young core,

Don't watch a lot of the Ducks, but it looks to me like Vatanen is the key piece to the D to build around, more than Fowler, similar to a Doughty - Voynov, both are nice to have, but you would want a Vatanen or Doughty over Fowler - Voynov.

Can't say enough about Smith Pelley either, he was absolutely your best player, all series long, just a real solid player.

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Did you just compare Vatanen to Doughty?

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I think it's time to finally make a big move, but I think the first thing is to not overreact.

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Did you just compare Vatanen to Doughty?
LOL no, I compared having Doughty and Voynov to having Vatanen and Fowler, not Doughty to Vatanen and not Voynov to Fowler,

Essentially, Vatanen looks like your anchor on defense, over Fowler

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I think it's time to finally make a big move, but I think the first thing is to not overreact.
Big move last year was trade Bobby Ryan, But we got youth from him. I think we'll be trading youth for guys in their prime.

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LOL no, I compared having Doughty and Voynov to having Vatanen and Fowler, not Doughty to Vatanen and not Voynov to Fowler,

Essentially, Vatanen looks like your anchor on defense, over Fowler
Lindholm is the best out of the 3.

Great series for Vatanen though, earned himself a new contract with the Ducks.

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Lindholm is the best out of the 3.

Great series for Vatanen though, earned himself a new contract with the Ducks.
Didn't notice Lindholm too much, which could very well be a good thing, I absolutely love the way Vatanen skates and moves the puck, I think he is a better skater than Fowler, again, very very small sample size for me, just stating what I saw in this series, (managed to catch 4 of the 7 games)

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LOL no, I compared having Doughty and Voynov to having Vatanen and Fowler, not Doughty to Vatanen and not Voynov to Fowler,

Essentially, Vatanen looks like your anchor on defense, over Fowler
The only thing Vatanen's managed to anchor so far is the bench. I certainly wouldn't build a defense around him.

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Big move last year was trade Bobby Ryan, But we got youth from him. I think we'll be trading youth for guys in their prime.
That was still a good move and a move for the future, but you're right. We're gonna be the ones moving the pieces the other way this time.

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I think he's the best option available that wouldn't cost any assets. We really don't need another d-man to put up points IMO. Just someone steady to play with Hampus.
I would like to look at Jeff Petry in the offseason. Big 6'3 RHD. It's going to cost us some assets. But he can put up points and has a great two way game about em. Plus I know his cousin so he has ties to California. So it should even be a smoother transition to the lifestyle change from EDM to Ana.

Btw I just don't see how Mark Fayne is an upgrade over what we already have. How does Fayne upgrade our blue line at all. I just don't see it.

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I agree about Koivu, the scoring not there and he's making too many mistakes to be used in a defensive role. Outside the twins, I like our depth everywhere and wouldn't hate letting any of the kids stay on the team to grow into their roles. That said, I think it would be wise to look into a 2C upgrade or a top 4 dman if possible. Any of our good young centers like Bonino, Rakell, possibly even Perreault could always be shifted over to wing if we get a better acquisition but still feel they can contribute.

A positive is that a lot of our youth got experience this year, and I think we might see an overall decrease in production (regression) next year but only as a part of the growing/development process as that youth is given more important (and regular) roles. We're certainly not likely to keep breaking team win records each year. But we don't need to. I'd like to see a little less of the "one top line, three third lines" approach and balance the top six and bottom six a little more.

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05-17-2014, 11:36 AM
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Anderson in net.
Koivu/Selanne retire.
Winnik resigned.
Allen stays.
Beauch stays.

Sign vet goalie to share with anderson.

Trade for core player.

Im good with trading for a top tier forward or defenseman. Whatever trade works out the best for what we have to give up.

I believe its easier to acquire a guy to help you on the blue line at the trade deadline, than it is to acquire an impact forward.

But ill make the argument all day long... no point in keeping Getz and Perry if we arent going to dish some of our assets for top tier impact players. Trading away a few assets does not immediatelly mean this team has no depth. We can afford to lose Palms or Etem or a 1st or a Rakell... and this teams season woulda been no different.

Depth is cool... but Palms and Etem and Silf didnt exactly carry this team thru anything... a veteran dude on a cheap deal would probably filled any of their shoes just fine. Dish away depth youth for impact players.

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The only thing Vatanen's managed to anchor so far is the bench. I certainly wouldn't build a defense around him.
What would you trade him for then, about 29 other teams would be interested...

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05-17-2014, 11:48 AM
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What would you trade him for then, about 29 other teams would be interested...
No need to create a false dilemma. There are levels of value between "anchoring the defense" and trade bait.

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No need to create a false dilemma. There are levels of value between "anchoring the defense" and trade bait.
Pretty much this.

We don't need Vatanen to anchor this defense. That's why we have Lindholm and Fowler. They could be the feature top pairing of this team. Vatanen can fit a top 4 role and PP specialist.

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Thinking about it, I don't want it to happen but I wouldn't be surprised if Miller does end up here. With all the talk of goaltenders throughout our playoffs, whether it's right or wrong I think BM will want to bring in a steady influence there.

Whether Miller can still be that guy is up in the air, he didn't really inspire confidence in St Louis.

Top 4 defenceman, top 6 center, top 6 winger...in that order. Plenty of good FA options for wingers, so I expect we'd be able to get one.

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Thinking about it, I don't want it to happen but I wouldn't be surprised if Miller does end up here. With all the talk of goaltenders throughout our playoffs, whether it's right or wrong I think BM will want to bring in a steady influence there.

Whether Miller can still be that guy is up in the air, he didn't really inspire confidence in St Louis.

Top 4 defenceman, top 6 center, top 6 winger...in that order. Plenty of good FA options for wingers, so I expect we'd be able to get one.
What kind of production do you think we would get out of Perrault if he was plugged into the 2C spot?

Perrault always got the short end of the stick in regards to minutes, but he did produce at a nice rate. He has a tiny frame and I don't think he can eat up a lot of minutes since he always seems to be in some sort of pain.

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What kind of production do you think we would get out of Perrault if he was plugged into the 2C spot?

Perrault always got the short end of the stick in regards to minutes, but he did produce at a nice rate. He has a tiny frame and I don't think he can eat up a lot of minutes since he always seems to be in some sort of pain.
I'm a fan of Perreault, but as you said he is hurt a lot which is my worry about him. I give the guy all the credit in the world though, despite his frame and the beatings he takes he always jumps back into the dirty areas on his next shift, guy has a ton of heart. He had pretty good production this year playing with some average wingers.

I'd like to see him retained, but if we get say a Kesler I'm not sure he'd still fit in the line up...unless we started Kesler on the wing which perhaps kills 2 birds with one stone if Anaheim is convinced DSP can be a good option on the top line.

There's just so many potential moves the team could make right now that I don't even know what to think

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