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View Poll Results: who is better?
Lecavalier 24 26.97%
Richards 24 26.97%
Kariya 28 31.46%
Jovanovski 13 14.61%
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08-15-2004, 04:28 PM
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# 29 Tie Breaker Top 50 List

who is better

Lecavalier

Richards

Kariya

Jovanovski

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richards for me

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kariya..beside injury ....

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Gotta take Richards here.

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who is better

Lecavalier

Richards

Kariya

Jovanovski
kariya, when healthy and on his game . ricahrds still has a way to go same for lecavalier, they have proven they can play but a couple years is not compared to the 11 or 12 years kariya been around, and always putting up #'s good ones at that. so overall i go with kariya because hes proven him self for year richard and lecavalier still have a way to go. but dont get me wrong both are stars

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kariyas been around for about 10 yrs. and half that time he has faught seious injury

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I'd love to vote Jovo but I just cann't.. When at the top of his game.. Jovo is the best.. but he is far to inconsistant at this point in time. In a few years this poll will be different though.

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kariyas been around for about 10 yrs. and half that time he has faught seious injury
Yeah. And the other half, he has had years that were clearly and significantly better than any years that either Richards and Lecavalier have ever had.

Now I know that he has been around longer and thus has had more prime years to outperform guys like that, but his 5-7 years of elite-calibre hockey should count for more than Richards' or Lecavalier's 1-2 good seasons thus far.

Richards and Lecavalier have both become a little over-rated this offseason, especially Richards. I guess that is what winning the Stanley Cup or having a good playoff run can do for you. Just ask Jean-Sebastien Giguere.


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they won the cup

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they won the cup
So? Before Raymond Bourque won the Stanley Cup in 2001, were Larry Murphy or Ulf Samuelsson better players?

Also, about comparing Dany Heatley with Dave Andreychuk, is Andreychuk better than Heatley because he has won the Stanley Cup and Heatley has not?

Winning a Stanley Cup has always been so over-rated when it comes to determining an individual talent. Teams win championships, and not individuals.

I have personally always thought that winning championships has only had any meaning whatsoever as it relates to goaltenders, the only position where one can win a game by himself.

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I have personally always thought that winning championships has only had any meaning whatsoever as it relates to goaltenders, the only position where one can win a game by himself.
So Osgood was the best goaltender when he won the cup ?? NO. Average goalies can still win championships too.

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So Osgood was the best goaltender when he won the cup ?? NO. Average goalies can still win championships too.
That is not what I said. But I just have always felt as though goaltenders are the only ones where championships matter. They can win games and series by themselves. A forward or defenseman can not.

Throughout the history of hockey, it has been the playoffs where goaltenders usually achieve their legendary status. On the other hand, it has been the regular season where forwards and defensemen usually achieve their legendary status.

When people talk about Roy, they talk about the Stanley Cup wins and the Conn smythe Trophy wins, which are playoff achievements. When people talk about Brodeur, they talk about his Stanley Cup wins, which is a playoff achievement.

When people talk about Gretzky, they talk about the Hart Trophy wins and Art Ross Trophy wins and scoring records, which are regular season achievements. When people talk about Orr, they talk about his string of Norris Trophy wins, which is a regular season achievement.

Forwards and defensemen can be all-time greats without ever winning a Stanley Cup. The proof is how people still thought very highly of Bourque's all-time status and historical value even when he had no Stanley Cup wins. But how often do you see a goaltender being considered a legend and true all-time great without winning a Stanley Cup? Hasek was never thought of as a true all-time great until he won the Stanley Cup.

I feel the exact same way or pitchers in baseball. A pitcher in baseball can win a series by himself. A hitter on the other hand can not. Pitchers in baseball are never viewed as all-time greats unless they win a championship. The same does not apply to hitters.

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So Osgood was the best goaltender when he won the cup ?? NO. Average goalies can still win championships too.

he was on a powerhouse team Icould win a cup playing goal for the wings

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