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09-08-2011, 01:17 PM
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10ish years was meant before a major overhaul maintenance is done. Certainly the physical jet is older than that but it's similar to a house remodel. Virtually everything is replaced/updated.

From all accounts this jet (and others very similar) were flown well beyond that without anything near the overhaul maintenance that a jet in the US or EU receives, nevermind the routine maintenance.

In the US, a jet which just received routine maintenance (typical pre/post flight stuff) would indeed be considered ancient at 20ish years.
This argument doesn't seem just. I mean what, are we to insist that all countries apply the same standards, regardless of the economic ability? That's just not realistic, unfortunately.

And I'm sure that there are standards of certain elements of life in the US that aren't as high as they are for people in certain other countries. Just imagine trying to apply the same (high) standards for everything across the board in all countries of the world.

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I don't think so, no. Sure players travel a lot, but in the United States and Canada, it's probably more dangerous driving to/from airports/arenas.
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You have a much smaller chance of dying in a plane crash than in an automobile.
Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Chance of dying in an airplane accident: 1 in 354,319

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An interview with a former American airlines pilot.

http://rt.com/news/plane-crash-model-yak42-023/

(half way down the page)

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Shouldn't have to increase athlete awareness of the dangers of travelling. What should come of the incident is an investigation into the causes of the crash, and then a review of policies to mitigate that causal factor(s).

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This argument doesn't seem just. I mean what, are we to insist that all countries apply the same standards, regardless of the economic ability? That's just not realistic, unfortunately.
Oh please those clubs belong to some oligarchs or huge corporations but then go penny pinching when it comes to hiring safe charter flights or providing medical care (see Cherepanov)? If the KHL wants to be considered a top-level league it can't spent millions upon millions in player salaries but then pull out the "but Russia is poor" card when it comes to basic safety measures.

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09-08-2011, 02:26 PM
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Oh please those clubs belong to some oligarchs or huge corporations but then go penny pinching when it comes to hiring safe charter flights or providing medical care (see Cherepanov)? If the KHL wants to be considered a top-level league it can't spent millions upon millions in player salaries but then pull out the "but Russia is poor" card when it comes to basic safety measures.
Ok sure, so let's call in the FAA to investigate the goings on in Russian airways.

It's not the "poor Russia" card, it is the card of "there is yet no world government" in place.

We can castigate countries around the world all we want, and for their own citizens we can try to help because they are esentially trapped there. But many of those players, the non-Russian ones, chose to be there. And in this day and age, there are certain risks that each individual pretty much has the responsibility (and ability) to make themselves aware of, and then decide if they want to take that risk.

I'm not making excuses, I'm just saying that FAA standards, for instance, are not worldwide standards.

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09-08-2011, 02:32 PM
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The most dangerous part of an athlete's travel is the car/bus ride to the airport.

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We can castigate countries around the world all we want, and for their own citizens we can try to help because they are esentially trapped there. But many of those players, the non-Russian ones, chose to be there. And in this day and age, there are certain risks that each individual pretty much has the responsibility (and ability) to make themselves aware of, and then decide if they want to take that risk.
I didn't mean to criticize an entire country but a specific charter company and whoever was responsible for hiring them. You can't tell me there aren't safer options available in Russia, like say, companies that haven't been banned elsewhere for failing to meet safety standards. We're not talking about Liberia here where your only options are bush flight A or bush flight B.

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How does a high speed train solve things? If a train going 400mph gets in an accident its going to be every bit as bad as a plane. Planes in the US and Canada are safe - very safe. Hundreds, probably thousands of flights go off without a hitch every single day. We don't need to find a way around it because there is literally no problem with it.

The plane crash that prompted this question does not relate to US/ Canada air travel at all. Russia has its own issues with air safety. That plane had documented safety deficiencies. The planes that NHL teams travel on do not.

Its a non issue for the NHL and its obviously a huge issue for the KHL.

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In North America, most of Europe? No cause for concern. Up to date planes are used, and used by some of the best pilots on Earth. In Russia, maybe so. I have heard too much evidence in the last day since it happened to know that people who have played in the KHL have been wary for a while. Something needs to be done over there, for definate.

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I didn't mean to criticize an entire country but a specific charter company and whoever was responsible for hiring them. You can't tell me there aren't safer options available in Russia, like say, companies that haven't been banned elsewhere for failing to meet safety standards. We're not talking about Liberia here where your only options are bush flight A or bush flight B.
Each company supposedly has to follow the regulations that the "country" sets.

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Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Chance of dying in an airplane accident: 1 in 354,319
so just to be clear, this is chances of dying FROM being involved in a car accident as opposed to an airplane accident. I'm not so sure about this stat, can you provide where you got it from and how it was produced?

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Not sure why high speed and bullet trains have even entered the conversation since they DO NOT EXIST in the States!

Unless you some how plan to have a couple hundred billion spent on infrastructure for them in the first place, they are not an option for sports team travel here.

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Uhhh - nope.

That specific plane was banned from EU Airspace because it lacked required safety equipment and did not have a certificate of airworthiness.



GPWS = Ground Proximity Warning System
TAWS = Terrain Awareness and Warning System
To be precise the plane that crashed(RA-42434) was not the plane your document mentioned(RA-42433).
Seems that all the fuzz about banning and "proof of unsafety" is of a different plane brought up by someone and now half the world is going nuts about it.
So the press works.

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09-09-2011, 12:26 AM
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I remember a good quote from Theo Fleury's autobiography about when he bought a piece of the hitmen and the liability concern was having busloads of 16 to 19 year olds in buses sliding around on icy western canadian highways. the travel risk is there for hockey players at a lot of levels, flying or not. im just thankful that flying in our part of the world is safer than it is in russia.

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