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08-30-2011, 04:31 PM
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Whatever happened to Scoring Machine Jordan Staal?

might be a dumb question, but i'm not that great at the analysis and junk of hockey i just like watchin it

but, how'd he score so many goals in his rookie season and he's scored less in every subsequent season?

also he scored more powerplay and shorthanded goals than any of his other seasons? and he took less shots too!

was it luck/unfamiliarity from the rest of the league or what? it doesn't make much sense to me.

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The short handed thing looks to be a fluke, or he's sacrificed trying to score in that situation for defending. His goal totals haven't gone down each year after his rookie season either..

He got put into a checking role, in short.

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He scored 7 SH goals bc teams didn't respect his scoring touch as much as they do now.

He was a LW on Geno's line. He's going to score more goals when you're handfed opportunities from the slot.

The last several years we've groomed him to be a shutdown center. He has 30/30 type numbers in him it's just a matter of whether DB will give him the opportunity with better linemates. If Sid's out then he'll get it either way.

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At least some of it was also luck. Staal had an abnormously high shooting percentage of 22.1% as a rookie. He has averaged 12% over the last 3 seasons.

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08-30-2011, 06:49 PM
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He was a winger on Geno's line. End of story.

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He had a 4 leaf clover lodged up his ass...and he played with Geno.

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Injuries sadly seem to have taken their toll on him but I reckon that with a full season back this year he can put in a good season and get around 60 points fluctuating between the second and third lines depending on Crosby's health.

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Injuries sadly seem to have taken their toll on him but I reckon that with a full season back this year he can put in a good season and get around 60 points fluctuating between the second and third lines depending on Crosby's health.
What? He was the poster boy for durability until the freak Subban incident put him out for half the season. And it doesn't appear that will affect him at all going forward.

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Luck and being Geno's winger.

Also, enjoy your username while you can.

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Jordan Staal was never a scoring machine.

He had a really good rookie season... some good bounces to get up over 25G and not a lot of attention from defenders relative to what he gets now. Happens to a lot of players. Great rookie year, then production tails off for a couple years.

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might be a dumb question, but i'm not that great at the analysis and junk of hockey i just like watchin it

but, how'd he score so many goals in his rookie season and he's scored less in every subsequent season?

also he scored more powerplay and shorthanded goals than any of his other seasons? and he took less shots too!

was it luck/unfamiliarity from the rest of the league or what? it doesn't make much sense to me.
Where have you been for the last two three months of Staal bashing?

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Lousy...trade him now.

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I hope he ups his stamina and speed for this season. It'll be a treat to watch him dominate down low for entire shifts.

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Weird thread. Sometimes the pucks just seem to go in for you. Not saying it was all luck (he was obviously playing in a zone all year) but it's just an odd early spurt. A bit of an anomaly for a rookie too, just like somehow only managing 9 assists that year was an anomaly as well.

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At least some of it was also luck. Staal had an abnormously high shooting percentage of 22.1% as a rookie. He has averaged 12% over the last 3 seasons.
That's why I always believe the short-term look at shooting percentage is actually bad. I said it when Staal has 22% his rookie year that it would never hold up to that. That's just an insane number.

All I want to see Jordan do is put himself in position for scoring chances. If he does that, then his goal total will add up. That being said, I don't think the guy will ever score 30+ on a regular basis. His ability to PK and shutdown opposing lines will be his meal ticket.

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He had a 4 leaf clover lodged up his ass...and he played with Geno.
I see where you are going here! Bob Battleship Kelly scored 27 goals and 25 goals in 1974-75 and 1975-76 as Pierre Larouche's left wing and protector. The Battleship was a terrific fighter and human being but unfortunately could barely skate (at best). The message becomes that the benefits of playing alongside class talent may never be overstated.

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He still wasn't as good back then as he is now, imo. Teams just took him lightly on the PK and he scored a bunch of SH goals. He was also incredibly efficient and had one of the top shooting percentages in the league that year. Teams are much more aware of him on the PK now and his shooting percentage was never going to stay that high either. I think he probably creates more today (which isn't saying much) but he doesn't finish as efficiently. Just seemed like everything he shot as a rookie went in the net.

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He had a 4 leaf clover lodged up his ass...and he played with Geno.


That's right......AT LEFT WING!


Staalkin = Staal at LW and Geno where he belongs!

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I think CPZ jinxed him to try and get his roster spot.....not working out so far.

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That's right......AT LEFT WING!


Staalkin = Staal at LW and Geno where he belongs!
And you still don't understand how the dynamics of that line would work if they were together. I'm certainly not about to get into it again.

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He was a winger on Geno's line. End of story.
It is almost that simple. He went from a scoring role to being a checker so... he thinks like a checker. He's OK with playing safe simple hockey.

I still think of him as a great player because he's so well rounded but I think there's more that he can do. I think he can be a 35 goal guy. If he works on his release a little bit and gets better at positioning around the net I think 35 goals is with in reach. Most power forwards don't develope until they're about 25 anyway.

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His release is bar none the main factor as to why he can't score in the upper 20's, at least.

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No wonder people around here hate on Jordan, if THIS was the expectation. Scoring machine?

Hopefully, one day we'll once again see Jordan Staal in the role he was born to play...checking-line, two-way dominant center.

When he's in that role, we're the best team in the NHL. Hopefully, Sid gets back soon and management wises up and gets back to the three-C model that was so successful in the recent past.

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