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Who is PRIMARILY responsible for Jets' success?

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True North 32 86.49%
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09-09-2011, 03:55 PM
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Who is PRIMARILY responsible for Jets' success?

Maybe take a bit to think about this poll question. I am not sure how I will answer.

My question is: Who is PRIMARILY responsible for Jets' success? The options are:

THE NHL:
Is the NHL so wildly successful in Canada these days that it is can't miss proposition? Could any reasonable group with a good chequebook (that is not a Glieberman, Shenkarow, Pocklington kind of owner) replicate what True North has done in any major Canadian city?

TRUE NORTH:
Yes, the NHL is big-time in this country but without a good owner tickets won't be sold, things won't be organized, and people won't buy tickets. Maybe some other owner would have fallen flat on his face in this market.

WINNIPEG FANS:
Yes, the product is there, yes the vendor is there, but without a purchaser there is no sale. If True North set up shop in Hamilton or Quebec, who knows if they would sell out like here?

WARNING:
Many people might say all three are true. Don't answer that way. You have to pick one, and in my case it is not easy.

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09-09-2011, 03:57 PM
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Success in what sense? Financial? Quest to get a team back? On ice performance?

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I say all three.

I would have to give the nod to TNSE first and fans second.

The NHL will go wherever the money is, and Canadians love of hockey makes the NHL not the other way around.

When the NHL left my love of hockey never wavered. My love of the NHL certainly did.

True North did everything perfectly. Stealthily, diligently and thoroughly. Seeing the mess Balsilie made on numerous occasions should certify that fact.

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1. True North
2. The Count (i.e. NHL) as much as it pains me to say it...
3. The Fans

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Success in what sense? Financial? Quest to get a team back? On ice performance?
Since games have yet to be played, I would say success in the financial and general off-ice sense.

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True North - everything they've done has been a home run so far... including the subtle manipulation of the market to create a mass frenzy.

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I'd say True North.
Ultimate success financially and on the ice, for the long term, is going to be very dependent on how the team does on thie ice and the actual players on the team, which of course is controlled by what True North is able to do in terms of acquiring the right mix of players and the right coaches to get the most mileage out of them.

Probaly for the first 5 years or so, fans will accept meagre reults on the ice, I suppose, but worst case, if the team was a total failure on the ice for many years, fan support would surely drop off
...but, not to worry - True North ain't gonna let that happen...
..go JETS !!!

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So how do I answer this?

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tnse and fans tied
without each other this doesnt work

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All 3.

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True North.

Ownership is resposible for the product on the ice.

Back in the 80's the Red Wings were known as the "Dead Things"

Then Mike Illitch came along and totally changed the culture of the team.

The Maple Leafs have passionate fans and no Cups since 1967.

The NHL and NBC would prefer to US based teams make the Cup Finals.

Ownership is what will make the JETS a sucess or a failure.

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Since games have yet to be played, I would say success in the financial and general off-ice sense.
If thats the case I would say the praise goes to TNSE.
We've had hockey fans for ages, so just having fans isn't enough. Ask Hamilton, theres a bunch of hockey fans there.
The NHL has been around the last fifteen years, so it isn't them. If they wanted us so bad they could have had us.

TNSE had the savvy to understand that in a market WITH the fans, and WITH the NHL needing a location for a team THEY could put together a comprehensive business plan laying out why WE could support a team.

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Hollywood, had Reebok jersey designer Dominique Fillion been an option I would have went with him , but instead I had to go with TNSE.

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So how do I answer this?
You submit ASG as a write-in vote.

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Atlanta Spirit Group and Don Waddell. If Jets fans think otherwise they are delusional.

If Thrashers had a strong ownership, relocation would never occurred and Waddell would of been fired after season 5.

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You submit ASG as a write-in vote.
Exactly what I was thinking. (those ********! )

Seriously though, TNSE was huge for Winnipeg. If I was one of you guys, that's who I would vote for here.

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Atlanta Spirit Group and Don Waddell. If Jets fans think otherwise they are delusional.

If Thrashers had a strong ownership, relocation would never occurred and Waddell would of been fired after season 5.
However, if TNSE wasn't a credible group who knows what would have happened to the Thrashers.

There is no doubt that Atlanta Spirit created the market opportunity. But to credit them for structuring and closing the deal would be another definition of delusional.

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Atlanta Spirit Group and Don Waddell. If Jets fans think otherwise they are delusional.

If Thrashers had a strong ownership, relocation would never occurred and Waddell would of been fired after season 5.
If it weren't for True North, ASG would not have had their out. They would have most likely had to sell for much less to a local buyer.

So my answer remains True North.

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TNSE.
They laid out the cash for the arena. Then built the Moose up. They went after the NHL the 'right' way.

Fans? As others have said, ask Hamilton how that's working out.

The NHL? Please... If you asked them which market they'd rather have, the truth would be Atlanta over Winnipeg. 5-6x the people. Winnipeg was a gimmee already. Getting people in Atlanta on-board would expand the brand and increase revenues.

the NHL is only here because TNSE showed that they know how to do it, and do it right.

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Since games have yet to be played, I would say success in the financial and general off-ice sense.
No offense, but the poll question is ridiculous. Who is primarily responsible for the financial and general off-ice success of the new Winnipeg Jets franchise? How are you supposed to choose between the owners of the franchise and the customers of the franchise?

I'll ask you another question: Who is primarily responsible for the fact that you exist?

A) your Mother; or
B) your Father.

You can only choose one.

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I'm writing in ASG as well.

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No offense, but the poll question is ridiculous. Who is primarily responsible for the financial and general off-ice success of the new Winnipeg Jets franchise? How are you supposed to choose between the owners of the franchise and the customers of the franchise?

I'll ask you another question: Who is primarily responsible for the fact that you exist?

A) your Mother; or
B) your Father.

You can only choose one.
Good point.

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No offense, but the poll question is ridiculous. Who is primarily responsible for the financial and general off-ice success of the new Winnipeg Jets franchise? How are you supposed to choose between the owners of the franchise and the customers of the franchise?

I'll ask you another question: Who is primarily responsible for the fact that you exist?

A) your Mother; or
B) your Father.

You can only choose one.
depends who came on to whom

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Who is PRIMARILY responsible for the Jets success? obviously that would be True North, as well as the amazing fan support. TNSE built the MTS, they are the reason the Moose were such a classy, well respected and well run organization, they are the reason the NHL is in Winnipeg today, in my opinion. They are the foundation in which allowed it all to happen, right from the ground up to where we are today. If it were not for TNSE and all they have done, I highly doubt this team would be in Winnipeg right now, but perhaps elsewhere or still in Atlanta, somehow, someway.

ASG failed Atlanta, the fans and the Thrashers organization, but they sure as hell didn't have squat to do with this team going to Winnipeg with such high success. Those roots and fingerprints belong strictly to TNSE who has built this entire foundation back in the Peg and given it a respectable leg to stand on, period. They made it all possible. The fans are obviously a huge, huge, huge piece of it as well, can't deny that. But, without TNSE, the fans of Winnipeg wouldn't have a team to cheer for, support, buy tickets and merchandise for, etc.

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True north first
NHL second
Fans third

But realistically all three needed to be in place to work

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