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09-09-2011, 03:59 PM
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Criticism of Aleksandr Medvedev...

A couple of articles in North America alluded to some hockey fans being upset with how quickly the KHL's leadership was moving to put together another Lokomotiv roster.

The feeling appeared to be that how quickly a replacement team was being put together was disrespectful to the people who lost their lives.

Is anyone here aware of this reaction, if so, how widespread is it?

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A couple of articles in North America alluded to some hockey fans being upset with how quickly the KHL's leadership was moving to put together another Lokomotiv roster.

The feeling appeared to be that how quickly a replacement team was being put together was disrespectful to the people who lost their lives.

Is anyone here aware of this reaction, if so, how widespread is it?
What are the articles? I have heard nothing of criticism about this in my circles. But we, the supporters/ultras of SKA have been criticizing and in an open state of war with him all summer.

Here is a transcript of a discussion we had with him over several things, primarily over hiring this 'meat' coach. (It is in Russian and too long for me to translate, but you could use Google translate i suppose.)

http://www.hc-ska.ru/news/ru/5847.html

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What are the articles? I have heard nothing of criticism about this in my circles. But we, the supporters/ultras of SKA have been criticizing and in an open state of war with him all summer.

Here is a transcript of a discussion we had with him over several things, primarily over hiring this 'meat' coach. (It is in Russian and too long for me to translate, but you could use Google translate i suppose.)

http://www.hc-ska.ru/news/ru/5847.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...lane.crash.ap/

or you can google the title of the article:

"Russian hockey team to be rebuilt"

Here is the reference; in the 14th paragraph from the top:

"On Wednesday evening, Yaroslavl governor Sergei Vakhrukov addressed a crowd of some 3,000 mourning fans outside the Lokomotiv stadium and promised the team would be rebuilt. But that vow prompted anger from some fans over a perceived lack of respect for the dead."

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...lane.crash.ap/

or you can google the title of the article:

"Russian hockey team to be rebuilt"

Here is the reference; in the 14th paragraph from the top:

"On Wednesday evening, Yaroslavl governor Sergei Vakhrukov addressed a crowd of some 3,000 mourning fans outside the Lokomotiv stadium and promised the team would be rebuilt. But that vow prompted anger from some fans over a perceived lack of respect for the dead."
Hmm, sounds like the reporter was near a minority of the people and tried to paint as widespread possibly. I haven't heard of any of the Loko ultras complain about it, but admittedly they have different things on their mind.

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You wrote: "...primarily over hiring this 'meat' coach."

I take it "meat" is not a compliment to a coach in Russia.

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You wrote: "...primarily over hiring this 'meat' coach."

I take it "meat" is not a compliment to a coach in Russia.
Slang for Spartak, because they are red & white. He was the coach of Spartak.


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Slang for Spartak, because they are red & white. He was the coach of Spartak.

Thanks for explaining that.

I would have googled a long time before finding that out.

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guys, why do american articles criticise Medvedev or KHL? Nothing has been confirmed yet. It was just idea to put together another Lokomotiv roster. It is not disrespect to people who died but respect.. their team will be alive. And btw, Lokomotiv will not start in this season, according to president of team. Let us wait, confirmation will be next week I hope

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Yeah, weird idea of criticising for something that hasn't been done.

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Yeah, weird idea of criticising for something that hasn't been done.
Is it anything new though? I'm apathetic to it by now.

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Yeah, weird idea of criticising for something that hasn't been done.
I will quote first post in this thread "A couple of articles in North America" clear answer in my eyes. Why? Because they dont have any idea about this case.. have no info, just criticise.. sad

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I will quote first post in this thread "A couple of articles in North America" clear answer in my eyes. Why? Because they dont have any idea about this case.. have no info, just criticise.. sad
Indeed, even when you look at the quote from the article. "prompted anger from some fans" It goes into no details about how many 'some' were. There were no quotes, no explanation of how wide spread the feeling was. It could have been a comment among 10 people out of the 3,000, yet they are sure to include that without going into detail to create an illusion. It happens all the time in articles about Russia, and I admit there are occurrences of this in the Russian media about the West, I have just become apathetic to all of it.

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A couple of articles in North America alluded to some hockey fans being upset with how quickly the KHL's leadership was moving to put together another Lokomotiv roster.

The feeling appeared to be that how quickly a replacement team was being put together was disrespectful to the people who lost their lives.

Is anyone here aware of this reaction, if so, how widespread is it?
The thing is... at the moment it seems that there won't be team at all in Yaroslavl for 2011-2012, the club's president has decided
Secondly, if this happened to an NHL team they'd buy a bunch of players and set up the expansion draft and just get random players to replace with the lost ones and the season would continue as nothing happened... because it's business (it's in the NHL The Emergency Rehabilitation plan for such cases).
http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2011/9...hl-plane-crash

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A couple of articles in North America alluded to some hockey fans being upset with how quickly the KHL's leadership was moving to put together another Lokomotiv roster.

The feeling appeared to be that how quickly a replacement team was being put together was disrespectful to the people who lost their lives.

Is anyone here aware of this reaction, if so, how widespread is it?
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if this happened in the NHL what would happen?

There would be an emergency draft after a week and the team would be rebuilt over night

if this happened in the NHL it would take this long to hold the draft

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You can't build a complete team overnight.

Besides the whole organization needs some healing.

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You can't build a complete team overnight.

Besides the whole organization needs some healing.

like I said the NHL has in place procedures if this happened in the NHL and they woulld hold a draft within 10 days and the team would be back in the ice

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like I said the NHL has in place procedures if this happened in the NHL and they woulld hold a draft within 10 days and the team would be back in the ice
I wouldn't want to have been part of the NHL committee that sat around and came up with that plan.

Pretty grim topic to deal with.

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if this happened in the NHL what would happen?

There would be an emergency draft after a week and the team would be rebuilt over night

if this happened in the NHL it would take this long to hold the draft
I still doubt that this would actually happen.

I was thinking about how they were planning on just throwing a make shift team out there. If that happened to the Canucks I don't think I could get up for watching a game. This isn't my team... These aren't the players I've grown to love. This is some patch job joke of a team strictly here because this is a business. On top of that the team would suck since it's lower end talent coming over. It would just make things worse for fans I think.

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typed a huge post - lost the power and lost the post....

anyways, I completely disagree with having Lokomotive rebuilt in the VHL this december and have a guaranteed spot in the p-offs. I think the city will stick behind the MHL team and once the offseason comes around they will rebuild the team from Yaroslavl' natives and former Yaroslavl' school's graduates. How unfair would it be to the players who will have to represent the team in the VHL in such a tough year and then not be needed, once the team is back in the KHL?

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typed a huge post - lost the power and lost the post....
Don't you ****ing HATTEEE that?

Happens to me ALL THE TIME because i am always traveling. Always leads to an embarrassing curse storm in public.

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