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All time right handed team vs. All time left handed team

View Poll Results: Which team is better?
The right handed team 4 19.05%
The left handed team 17 80.95%
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09-09-2011, 04:06 PM
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All time right handed team vs. All time left handed team

I'm going to try my best to create the best all time teams for each hand... If you disagree with the teams, I'm open to suggestions to make each team better, then you can choose based on your own teams if you think they're better than mine. If you're going to do that though, you must for the purpose of this thread take into account and apply the following rules I've used.

Since it's a known fact that there are far more left handed shooters both now, and in the history of the game, I'm going to narrow the teams down to three lines instead of four, and two defensive pairings instead of three, or else I have a strange feeling the left handed team would runaway with it.

Also this part many may not agree with, but I'm leaving Orr off of the left handed team, because I just went through the list of Norris Trophy winners and over 90% of them are left handed. This means the left handed team should already have a decisive advantage on defense, and Orr would tip the scales too much in their favour.

Do not let any personal bias factor into your voting, such as which team has the majority of your favourite players, and also which hand you shoot with. Just pick who you think is the best team.

Also consider all players perfectly healthy at their absolute best. Assume the goalies on each team are equals, doesn't matter who they are.


Right Handers

Ovechin - Lemieux - Howe

Bossy - Mikita - Lafleur

Yzerman - Lindros - Hull

Shore - Chelios

Horton - MacInnis


Left Handers

Hull - Gretzky - Jagr

Messier - Beliveau - Richard

Sakic - Crosby - Bure

Potvin - Harvey

Bourque - Lidstrom


Vote away, and don't forget to give reasons, I think this could be a really interesting thread with lots of discussion.


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Very Interesting

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I'm going to try my best to create the best all time teams for each hand... If you disagree with the teams, I'm open to suggestions to make each team better, then you can choose based on your own teams if you think they're better than mine. If you're going to do that though, you must for the purpose of this thread take into account and apply the following rules I've used.

Since it's a known fact that there are far more left handed shooters both now, and in the history of the game, I'm going to narrow the teams down to three lines instead of four, and two defensive pairings instead of three, or else I have a strange feeling the left handed team would runaway with it.

Also this part many may not agree with, but I'm leaving Orr off of the left handed team, because I just went through the list of Norris Trophy winners and over 90% of them are left handed. This means the left handed team should already have a decisive advantage on defense, and Orr would tip the scales too much in their favour.

Do not let any personal bias factor into your voting, such as which team has the majority of your favourite players, and also which hand you shoot with. Just pick who you think is the best team.

Also consider all players perfectly healthy at their absolute best. Assume the goalies on each team are equals, doesn't matter who they are.


Right Handers

Ovechin - Lemieux - Howe

Bossy - Mikita - Lafleur

Yzerman - Lindros - Hull

Shore - Chelios

Konstantinov - MacInnis


Left Handers

Hull - Gretzky - Jagr

Messier - Beliveau - Richard

Sakic - Crosby - Bure

Potvin - Harvey

Bourque - Lidstrom


Vote away, and don't forget to give reasons, I think this could be a really interesting thread with lots of discussion.
Very interesting thread.

Beliveau and Mikita were classic match-ups from the sixties. Figure out a way to insert Henri Richard at center and the RHS would have a defensive advantage playing against Crosby or Gretzky - Lindros and Lemieux simply do not have the same defense that Henri Richard brought to the rink and switching to Yzerman would not be a sufficient change.

As things stand the LHS team has an edge on defence especially moving the puck from the back-end since Harvey was equally adept at transitioning from either defensive side and could play both corners equally well, very rare for a LHS dman. Serge Savard was close, as was Orr.

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Ya, interesting concept & thread. I'm thinking Id like Bill Durnan & his Doppleganger in both nets.

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Replace Konstantinov with Tim Horton

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Very interesting thread.

Beliveau and Mikita were classic match-ups from the sixties. Figure out a way to insert Henri Richard at center and the RHS would have a defensive advantage playing against Crosby or Gretzky - Lindros and Lemieux simply do not have the same defense that Henri Richard brought to the rink and switching to Yzerman would not be a sufficient change.

As things stand the LHS team has an edge on defence especially moving the puck from the back-end since Harvey was equally adept at transitioning from either defensive side and could play both corners equally well, very rare for a LHS dman. Serge Savard was close, as was Orr.
Do you think adding Bobby Clarke to the LHS team be a good counter to the H. Richard move?

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Replace Konstantinov with Tim Horton
Good call, will do.

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Brett Hull shoots right doesn't he?

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Brett Hull shoots right doesn't he?
Yes sir. His father shoots left. There's a Hull on both teams.

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Do you think adding Bobby Clarke to the LHS team be a good counter to the H. Richard move?
To play the same role as Henri Richard would on the RHS team or to specifically play against Henri Richard?

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To play the same role as Henri Richard would on the RHS team or to specifically play against Henri Richard?
To play the same role as Henri. I would assume that their coaches would try for one of Henri/Beliveau to be matched up against Lemieux and one of Clarke/Mikita to be matched up against Gretzky.

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Now that I think about it, going by the OP's instructions of "absolute best" Fedorov might be a better choice than Henri Richard

EDIT: nevermind, Fedorov is a LHS


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Jari Kurri might be a better guy to have than Yzerman under the right conditions...those being if you want that to be a defensive line and it's for a wing position, which is more natural to Jari

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Now that I think about it, going by the OP's instructions of "absolute best" Fedorov might be a better choice than Henri Richard
Replying to a few of your posts. Sergei Fedorov was a LHS while Henri Richard was a RHS, so Fedorov instead of H. Richard is not an option.

Clarke did not do that well playing against Henri Richard, 1973 playoffs would be an example.

Playing the Henri Richard type role against the RHS centers listed. Depending on the latitude allowed by the refs. Dave Keon would do just as well given the different styles of the RHS centers listed and their size. Lemieux and Lindros were big and Keon never had a problem playing big centers plus penalties would not be an issue.

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Replying to a few of your posts. Sergei Fedorov was a LHS while Henri Richard was a RHS, so Fedorov instead of H. Richard is not an option.

Clarke did not do that well playing against Henri Richard, 1973 playoffs would be an example.

Playing the Henri Richard type role against the RHS centers listed. Depending on the latitude allowed by the refs. Dave Keon would do just as well given the different styles of the RHS centers listed and their size. Lemieux and Lindros were big and Keon never had a problem playing big centers plus penalties would not be an issue.
Oops, knew there was a good reason I didn't think of him originally. Since he's been brought up...how do you think he would do on the LHS team in the H. Richard role? Not an overly physical player, but has some size and a fantastic skater. Seems like he's also had success against large physical centers (Lindros 97' Finals).

Should be mentioned that the real key for Fedorov is the OP's specifying players are "at their absolute best" so his inconsistency/lack of effort issues are null and void here (in his defense he did pretty much always show up for the playoffs).

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Oops, knew there was a good reason I didn't think of him originally. Since he's been brought up...how do you think he would do on the LHS team in the H. Richard role? Not an overly physical player, but has some size and a fantastic skater. Seems like he's also had success against large physical centers (Lindros 97' Finals).

Should be mentioned that the real key for Fedorov is the OP's specifying players are "at their absolute best" so his inconsistency/lack of effort issues are null and void here (in his defense he did pretty much always show up for the playoffs).
Perhaps on the LHS team Fedorov could fill the Henri Richard role against certain centers. Far from convinced that Lindros is the third best RHS center. Would pick Yzerman but am playing with the various LW/C options for RHS.

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Also this part many may not agree with, but I'm leaving Orr off of the left handed team, because I just went through the list of Norris Trophy winners and over 90% of them are left handed. This means the left handed team should already have a decisive advantage on defense, and Orr would tip the scales too much in their favour.
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Nice teams and you obvioulsy put a lot of work into it, but where is Bobby Orr for the lhs?....Maybe the analyical right brain is more important to d than the more creative left brain....
Re-read Chrono's reasoning, makes perfect sense. And yes, according to the dark arts of phrenological science, yer Eddie Shore playbook, angles n'suchnot, the analytical brain is better suited to 'd'.

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Replying to a few of your posts. Sergei Fedorov was a LHS while Henri Richard was a RHS, so Fedorov instead of H. Richard is not an option.

Clarke did not do that well playing against Henri Richard, 1973 playoffs would be an example.

Playing the Henri Richard type role against the RHS centers listed. Depending on the latitude allowed by the refs. Dave Keon would do just as well given the different styles of the RHS centers listed and their size. Lemieux and Lindros were big and Keon never had a problem playing big centers plus penalties would not be an issue.
That's what I was thinking also.

And he could skate circles around those big guys.

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Re-read Chrono's reasoning, makes perfect sense. And yes, according to the dark arts of phrenological science, yer Eddie Shore playbook, angles n'suchnot, the analytical brain is better suited to 'd'.
Maybe this also explains why most of the best playmakers are left handed as well. Regarding phrenological science, I haven't looked too much into that type of stuff. I tried to make this as even as I could, but man the defense really does hold the right handed team back, even excluding Orr.

I still think the teams are fairly close overall, but we'll see in a few days or so what the poll results say. I'm not going to vote.

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Regarding phrenological science, I haven't looked too much into that type of stuff.
To many, its a truism.... Take the National Socialists of Germany for example. They bought into lock, stock & rifle barrel.

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Careful quack or occult practicess Phrenology, the study of lumps on the head and even brain typing is different than a well established fact of psychology.
Phrenology?. Yes, absolutely. There is as you state well documented & validated psychiatric evidence giving credence to left/right brain wave patterns and individual propensities.

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Only six votes so far? There's been lots of views, don't be afraid to vote.

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Orr has to make it on D

Any team with Gretzky and Orr simply cant lose

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Orr has to make it on D

Any team with Gtretsky and Orr simply cant lose

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That's why I didn't put him on.

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Right-handed Dmen have a lot less experience playing their off-side than lefties do.

I'll take the lefties.

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Right-handed Dmen have a lot less experience playing their off-side than lefties do.

I'll take the lefties.
This is true. I was a right handed defenseman myself, I played on the left side, being placed on the right side I found it significantly harder to see the ice as well, my breakout passes and defensive coverage we also quite a step down as opposed to playing on the left side. I think it's fair to say that we have the correct answer to this thread already, even despite my attempts to make it as even as possible.

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