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09-09-2011, 09:43 PM
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good rankings, but i have to say i have beef with MacDermid being ranked so low. i know all he pans out to be is a 4th line player, but he is turning into exactly what they thought he was going to be and i think he is one of the closest prospects to making the NHL. i look for him to be called up very soon, and possibly earn a spot permanently after this season. the fact that this kid has a very good chance of making the big club should place him much higher on the list imo.

it is a good list though, that is my only real beef

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I also think Seguin was a 9C at some point. I remember that ranking.

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Knight told me tonight he weighed in at 202 this morning, but thinks the scale might he heavy. He weighed in at about 196 in London and doesn't think he's over 200, but either way- he's at 6% body fat and in terrific shape, whether he's close to 195 or 200- it isn't really much of a sticking point.

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09-09-2011, 11:00 PM
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so dougie is the real deal eh? considering he is now top dog on the list. color me surprised. would love to hear more about him

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09-09-2011, 11:03 PM
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I'm a bit surprised to see Spooner at 4 -- is that due to Caron and Knight's readiness?

Would it be different if looking at pure offensive potential?

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09-09-2011, 11:06 PM
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Thank god they hit with Hamilton with the leafs pick, because other than him their defensive depth S-U-C-K-S.

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09-09-2011, 11:22 PM
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Knight told me tonight he weighed in at 202 this morning, but thinks the scale might he heavy. He weighed in at about 196 in London and doesn't think he's over 200, but either way- he's at 6% body fat and in terrific shape, whether he's close to 195 or 200- it isn't really much of a sticking point.
Maybe somebody was standing behind him with a toe or two on the scale?

Wish I could get to Wilmo and see the kids, but it doesn't look good, alas.

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09-09-2011, 11:51 PM
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I'm a bit surprised to see Spooner at 4 -- is that due to Caron and Knight's readiness?

Would it be different if looking at pure offensive potential?
I don't want to speak on behalf of Bill, but he and I have talked a lot about the B's prospects, the HF ranking system, etc. over the past few months.

Bill does all (or nearly all) of the Bruins-related content for HF. He spent a lot of time (as he's said) re-writing many of the prospect pages to fill in for time elapsed and to change erroneous and out of date analysis.

The HF ranking system (as I understand it, I may be wrong) places a lot of value on the "letter" part of the equation. 7.5Cs are automatically worse than 7.0Bs because of the way their equation works.

The fact is, if you plugged Bills, mine or really anyone's analysis into different systems. You'd get vastly different rankings. What people weight in their analysis is pretty subjective.

I believe (but I'm not certain) that the HF analyst community pools their resources in the official rankings/grades...so they might not be exactly reflective of Bill's opinions, either.

However you feel about it. These rankings (and grades) are valid and Bill did an excellent job with this. I'm sure we all think that he didn't do it exactly right (well except for the non-megalomaniacs... in other words not including myself...) but hey... pobody's nerfect.

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09-09-2011, 11:56 PM
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For me, it got a little dicey after the top 6. I'm much higher on Cross and Button than Kampfer, Bartkowski and Warsofsky. Arniel should also be higher ranked than those three defensemen.

Camper over Hamill also stuck out to me, but I can understand it.
I could see them being the best of the bunch as well, but Cross' injury problems are a concern and Button has to translate his skills into production before I'm ready to rate him much higher.

Camper and Hamill technically have the same rating (2nd line potential, but high risk factor), but in the handful of games I saw of them both in Providence at the end of last year, I thought Camper looked much more dynamic. He looked good at camp today too.

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This might not be a question I should be asking of all people, but I'm curious, if Seguin were on the list, where would he rank?

(Basically, if he'd been able to go to the AHL last year, I'm curious what his prospect status would have been)
Seguin would be first. He was rated a 9.0c.

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Nicely done, Bill!

I do question a few of the rankings. Brian Ferlin, for example, belongs in the top 19. Cunningham doesn't.
Ferlin is in the top19 at #19. I'm not sure why the Bruins page has him listed differently on the sidebar, but that's what he got in the article and that's what the sidebar is based on. I'll send them an email to change that error.

Fwiw, Cunningham has stood out in the last few development camps, he's put up huge numbers in junior the last few years, he's smart and good defensively. A leader. And he's a winner. I could see him following Arniel's path in the AHL.

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What's the difference between the numerical score and letter score?
The number is upside, the letter is the likelihood of the players reaching that potential mixed in with readiness. Guys like Caron and Knight have very low bust factors and are very physically mature, hence the "b" grades.

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Source? link?
Actually it was Knight's dad who told me (at development camp) that he was almost 205lbs. But this article was submitted weeks ago and Kirk has the most up to date info on his weight. He did drop some to get into the high 190's.

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good rankings, but i have to say i have beef with MacDermid being ranked so low. i know all he pans out to be is a 4th line player, but he is turning into exactly what they thought he was going to be and i think he is one of the closest prospects to making the NHL. i look for him to be called up very soon, and possibly earn a spot permanently after this season. the fact that this kid has a very good chance of making the big club should place him much higher on the list imo.

it is a good list though, that is my only real beef
Fwiw, the "Other Notables" section is alphabetical. MacDermid isn't really 33rd or whatever. Though you raise a good point about his readiness. Fwiw, I didn't think he had a "good chance" of making the team this year so I kept him at a C instead of pushing him to a B like Caron.

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so dougie is the real deal eh? considering he is now top dog on the list. color me surprised. would love to hear more about him
All of the player links on the side now go to updated scouting reports and most of them have NHL comp's attached as well. If you want to read more on Dougie or anyone else, click the link there...

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/doug_hamilton

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I'm a bit surprised to see Spooner at 4 -- is that due to Caron and Knight's readiness?

Would it be different if looking at pure offensive potential?
Yes, Spooner and Koko would be 2 and 3 if this list were based on pure upside/offensive potential.

HF weighs readiness heavily in their rankings, so a 7b (a low risk player with 2nd line potential) is worth more than a 7.5c (a great 2nd liner with a shot at 1st line potential but carries a moderate risk factor).

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09-10-2011, 12:08 AM
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Amazing how far our prospect pool has come in the last 5 years

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Amazing how far our prospect pool has come in the last 5 years
And to think Tyler Seguin could very well be on this list...

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09-10-2011, 06:20 AM
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Thanks a lot for the fine work.

Is it just me or do the Bruins prospects the last couple of years really seem to be the best I have ever seen in the Bruins system?

I know some of it can be explained by the fact that they had Toronto's 1st rounders, but it seems the 2nd and 3rd round picks have been exceptional.

I am really excited about Spooner and Knight and the thought of adding them to the core of this team in a year or 2 at the most.

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09-10-2011, 08:26 AM
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Thanks a lot for the fine work.

Is it just me or do the Bruins prospects the last couple of years really seem to be the best I have ever seen in the Bruins system?

I know some of it can be explained by the fact that they had Toronto's 1st rounders, but it seems the 2nd and 3rd round picks have been exceptional.

I am really excited about Spooner and Knight and the thought of adding them to the core of this team in a year or 2 at the most.

I'm with you. The organization keeps improving and the future is bright.



Many thanks Bill. It's refreshing to have someone with your knowledge and passion for the Bruins prospects handling the HF reviews. Well done.

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09-10-2011, 08:37 AM
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Hamill has dropped big time.

I hope the past summer was all about him taking it to another level w.r.t physical conditioning and power skating. Would love to see the kid come into camp and surprise the heck out of everyone.

This would be good for him, organization, and fans who want to see him succeed.

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09-10-2011, 09:12 AM
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Great job, Bill. This article shows the in-depth analysis that you have done to craft these rankings. Quite a departure from past attempts.

If Hamilton does the same "developmental arc" as Tyler Myers I'll be ecstatic.

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09-10-2011, 09:37 AM
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When I began doing the HF Bruins rankings in the 1998-99 season, these were some of the team's "top" prospects:

Cameron Mann
Jonathan Girard
Shawn Bates
John Grahame
Mattias Timander
Ben Clymer
Johnathan Aitken
Lee Goren
Andrew Raycroft
Bobby Allen
Mattias Karlin
Jay Henderson
Antti Laaksonen
Joel Prpic
Matt Alvey

Food for thought. Boston's hard times in the decade preceding are not hard to understand when you look at how weak that prospect pool was.

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That's quite a pool there, Kirk. I remember most of those guys as cups of coffee (well, they should have been such, rather than project players put into the big club a bit early).

Nice reviews, Bill. Kind of glowing except for the bottom 25%, but that's probably the pessimist in me not wanting to get too high on the kids.

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When I began doing the HF Bruins rankings in the 1998-99 season, these were some of the team's "top" prospects:

Cameron Mann
Jonathan Girard
Shawn Bates
John Grahame
Mattias Timander
Ben Clymer
Johnathan Aitken
Lee Goren
Andrew Raycroft
Bobby Allen
Mattias Karlin
Jay Henderson
Antti Laaksonen
Joel Prpic
Matt Alvey

Food for thought. Boston's hard times in the decade preceding are not hard to understand when you look at how weak that prospect pool was.
yikes...very true

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Cool, thanks.

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That 8.5 C for Seguin was flat out insulting.

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Amazing how far our prospect pool has come in the last 5 years
And our top-6 forwards:

Krejci
Bergeron
Horton
Lucic
Seguin
Marchand

Are all 26y and under.

We also have the best shutdown Dmen in the league (Chara) locked up for the next 7 years, The best G in the game (Thomas) and the best backup (Rask) who is only 24y waiting for Timmy to retire so he can become our new #1 for years.

The past (Cup baby!), present and futur looks very good for the Bruins!

Thanks Chia and Cam!

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That 8.5 C for Seguin was flat out insulting.
It got bumped to a 9 when I took over.

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