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09-10-2011, 08:47 PM
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Most "lucky" NHL Player compared to his talent

I was thinking of some players that just happened to come to the right team at the right time.

Im not talking about the AHL level Scrubs who happened to win a cup at a minimum salary and a 3 minutes TOI. Im talking about guys that actually benefited strongly from their surroundings. Guys that might have failed if they were put on another team.

Also, Im not talking about great players that benefited from other great playrs like Jari Kurri for example.

Some guys:

Holmstrom - Standing infront of the net with help from Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom doesnt sound like the hardest job in the world.

Rafalski - Great offence but "not so great" defence from this guy. Playing with Lidstrom and Neidermeyer must be a really tough assignment ...

Burrows - Basicly a plug that happened to find chemistry with he Sedins.

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I was thinking of some players that just happened to come to the right team at the right time.

Im not talking about the AHL level Scrubs who happened to win a cup at a minimum salary and a 3 minutes TOI. Im talking about guys that actually benefited strongly from their surroundings. Guys that might have failed if they were put on another team.

Also, Im not talking about great players that benefited from other great playrs like Jari Kurri for example.

Some guys:

Holmstrom - Standing infront of the net with help from Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom doesnt sound like the hardest job in the world.

Rafalski - Great offence but "not so great" defence from this guy. Playing with Lidstrom and Neidermeyer must be a really tough assignment ...

Burrows - Basicly a plug that happened to find chemistry with he Sedins.


Great defensive player who PKs with good speed and above average shot is a plug?

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And Mike Knuble I guess.

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Antti Miettinen.

He basically played on the first line because of Koivu. Still, he sucked.

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Holmstrom gets beat up game after game. Not to mention his reputation calls and more tips than not are actually skill rather than luck. But playing with Datsyuk at this point in his career is definitely luck and... absurd lol

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09-10-2011, 08:56 PM
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There's no denying Burrows has certainly benefited from playing with the Sedins but calling him a "plug" is downright foolish.

To the answer the OP, I think I'd have to go with Pascal Dupuis. Before the Penguins recent editions, I would have considered him the least talented first-liner in the league, playing alongside the best player in the NHL. Funny enough, he's done a decent job of complimenting Sid.

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Ryan Shannon?

Came to Ottawa in a minor league swap for Nycholat from Vancouver, where he was used as an AHL call-up. Started in the AHL with Binghamton, impressed Bingo coach Cory Clouston enough that, after Clouston had been promoted to head coach of the Ottawa Senators, Shannon was recalled and became a regular NHLer, playing 2nd line minutes with Fisher and Foligno.

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They didn't call him "Lucky" Luc for nothing.

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I was thinking of some players that just happened to come to the right team at the right time.

Im not talking about the AHL level Scrubs who happened to win a cup at a minimum salary and a 3 minutes TOI. Im talking about guys that actually benefited strongly from their surroundings. Guys that might have failed if they were put on another team.

Also, Im not talking about great players that benefited from other great playrs like Jari Kurri for example.

Some guys:

Holmstrom - Standing infront of the net with help from Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom doesnt sound like the hardest job in the world.

Rafalski - Great offence but "not so great" defence from this guy. Playing with Lidstrom and Neidermeyer must be a really tough assignment ...

Burrows - Basicly a plug that happened to find chemistry with he Sedins.
I really can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Holmstrom is probably the single best player in the world at what he does. And the reason it doesn't sound like the hardest job in the world is because you've never done it. I really doubt you'd be heading back to the front of the net after Pronger takes a few good whacks at you but this guy has been going back to the front of the net every single shift of every game for his entire career. The amount of punishment his body takes to do his job is incredible.

Rafalski also has sublime offensive instincts. He's able to carry 1st line defensive pairing minutes and would be producing at an incredible clip regardless of what team he was on. The fact he fit so seamlessly with two completely different, amazing defensemen is a testament to his versatility.

Lastly, Burrows is a heck of a player with or without the Sedins. He led the league in SHGs in 09-10 and I'm pretty sure that wasn't because he's an AHL caliber player without the Sedins. Would he be putting up 60+ point seasons without them? Probably not but he's managed to develop excellent chemistry with Kesler as well and would probably be the best winger Kesler could hope to have riding shotgun with him. He'd be a 50+ point player if he only played on the second line with Kesler instead of the first with the Sedins.

TL;DR - All of your examples are awful. None of the examples would fail if put on another team. They may not be as successful, obviously, but none of them are borderline NHL talents if you take out their environment.

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Crosby imo, he'll sit out the season much like he did in the olympics. *Then show up if Pittsburgh happens to get to game 7, miraculously show up in overtime, get spoon-fed a gimmy and be hailed as the one who led the pens to the Stanley Cup.

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And another thread calling Burrows a plug. He is now officially one of the most underrated players in the game.

For a plug he sure is lucky to be able to lead the league in SHG. And even more surprising that his GPG were higher 2 yrs ago without the Sedins that they were with it. The Sedins must be wizards being able to help this "plug" score from the bench.

Watch some more hockey before commenting.

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Komisarek - got to play with Markov just enough to earn a nice paycheck then got exposed in TO.

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Holmstrom - Standing infront of the net with help from Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom doesnt sound like the hardest job in the world.

Rafalski - Great offence but "not so great" defence from this guy. Playing with Lidstrom and Neidermeyer must be a really tough assignment ...

Burrows - Basicly a plug that happened to find chemistry with he Sedins.
Surely you can't be serious.

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Steven Stamkos' situation compared to John Tavares' situation

Luck of the draw

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Brian Rafalski does not belong in this thread. He's one of those players who made many of us realize, that there's a place in hockey for under-sized, but offensively gifted, puck-moving defencemen. He really had to work his way up from the bottom and prove himself in Europe before people in North America/NHL understood that he was not "too small to make it".


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Max Talbot is the NHL's Prince of Luck. He has scored some of the luckiest goals EVER. Just look at his 1st NHL goal, it was a dump in! He was on the bench when the red light came on! His talent is fringe NHL at best but he's got great luck on his side.

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Charlie Simmer , 3rd/4th liner with one of the worst teams , lands in LA , gets
a shot on the 1st line with Dionne and Taylor , Triple Crown Line is born
, oh yea he marries a Playmate of the Year too ( too bad it didn't work out for them
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Maltby has far too many Cups for a guy of his caliber...

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How in the world is burrows a plug? Even without the sedins he's a solid two way second line pker. Just because you hate the guy, don't attempt to diminish him as a player, atleast.

Um not sure how rafalski belongs on the list.

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