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08-16-2004, 04:09 PM
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If Nedved is signed, does anyone else see York as traded?

I think York is a great player, and very valuable but I feel he is better suited as a winger than a center, and most people have him etched in as a center for this up-coming season (because our LW is stocked as it is). If we sign Nedved I could really see Lowe trading York.

The left side already has Smyth, Isbister, Torres, Moreau and maybe Rita. The middle would have Nedved, Horcoff, Stoll, Reasoner.

I think Horcoff could be a #2 center (if necessary), Reasoner is our #3, and Stoll a very good #4. Now let's face it, not the greatest crop of centers in the NHL but serviceable. And there would be a risk if someone went down... but this could be addressed in the type of player we get back...

I would like to see the Oilers keep York over Isbister, but the return just wouldn't be there, plus if the issue is money and it always is. York makes more.

Any thoughts?

(keep in mind I would like to keep York, but I unfortunately see him as one of those guys that could be off the team)

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Absolutely not. York is not going anywhere.

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Good Lord, I hope not. I hope that York is near untouchable. The Oilers need more players like him, and they can ill afford to lose this sort of guy.

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If we signed Nedved and then traded York my head would explode...

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Depth chart wise, I see York right up there with Smyth. He is definately higher than Isbister, and I would say Moreau too. If anyone would be traded I see Isbister being the top candidate.

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I think York is a great player, and very valuable but I feel he is better suited as a winger than a center, and most people have him etched in as a center for this up-coming season (because our LW is stocked as it is). If we sign Nedved I could really see Lowe trading York.

The left side already has Smyth, Isbister, Torres, Moreau and maybe Rita. The middle would have Nedved, Horcoff, Stoll, Reasoner.

I think Horcoff could be a #2 center (if necessary), Reasoner is our #3, and Stoll a very good #4. Now let's face it, not the greatest crop of centers in the NHL but serviceable. And there would be a risk if someone went down... but this could be addressed in the type of player we get back...

I would like to see the Oilers keep York over Isbister, but the return just wouldn't be there, plus if the issue is money and it always is. York makes more.

Any thoughts?

(keep in mind I would like to keep York, but I unfortunately see him as one of those guys that could be off the team)
Yorkie continues to get little respect as a center on this team in many corners - and it's beyond me why people feel this way. He's a great 2nd line center as long as you give him big wingers - say Torres and Izzy next year.

York is just as talented as Comrie - has better wheels - is a good team guy - and actually thinks about defense occasionally. What's not to like as a 2nd line center? No way we move him.

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Looks like my concern is unjust according to other members of the board. Which is good because I like the guy and don't want to see him gone. But I just wish he would find a home on a line, or position on this team.

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Signing Nedved and trading York just makes no sense at all. Even with Nedved, Yok will still be needed to play center becasue there isn't a 2nd line center in on the team as is and the wings are bursting at the seams. I could see the aquisition being the end of Reasoner, if anyone, simply because of an abundance of centers (not that I think it would happen, just that it's more likely) and Horcoff being a younger/cheaper version of Marty. But York can play all forward positions well, and has even been known to play as a defenceman on the powerplay. I don't see him being traded even if we were to sign two centers.

The way I see it, if we sign Nedved:

Torres - Nedved - Dvorak
Smyth - York - Isbister
Moreau - Reasoner - Hemsky
Horcoff - Stoll - Pisani

PB: Laraque, Rita

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I'd move him in the right deal...

I find him over-rated on here, especially his offensive skills. For a guy with such a great shot, he has absolutely no clue when to use it, and he has Eric Brewer syndrome in that he likes to bury a lot of his shots into the defenseman's shin pads, or 8 feet over the net.

That being said, there is no denying his work ethic, or his commitment to playing in any role you give him. That is huge, IMO, and is what separates York from about 600 other players in the NHL.

He's a good 2nd line winger, a below average 2nd line centre, but an awesome guy to have on your team. I'd certainly part with him in a deal to see a good young player like Horton come in, or even a guy like langkow (straight up, that would be an awesome trade for the Oilers).

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Yorkie continues to get little respect as a center on this team in many corners - and it's beyond me why people feel this way. He's a great 2nd line center as long as you give him big wingers - say Torres and Izzy next year.

York is just as talented as Comrie - has better wheels - is a good team guy - and actually thinks about defense occasionally. What's not to like as a 2nd line center? No way we move him.
When you say all corners do you mean coaching staff and management or just on the boards? Because it seems to me that the coaching staff can't make up their minds on York. I guess it is one of those drawbacks of being a good all-around player, you can be put in any situation, and the coach never looks like he made a bad decision.


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You beat me to it Dawgbone...

This type of deal fits in well with Lowetide's 'Von Hayes' thread. Could York get us that Heatley/Nash/Iginla type player before they breakout ie. Horton. Lowes mantra of "buy low sell high" is very applicable in this case. These are the types of moves that will bring us gamebreakers. We all know the Oilers penchant for developing players of that calibre. York is probably my favorite Oiler and I would hate to see him go, but I'm not sure if I could pass up a deal like that.

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IMO, if the Oilers ever get to the point of contending in the next 3-5 years, we'll have an elite set of second line wingers in Dvorak and York. Both good offensively, both good defensively! Fast, hard working, and good all around people who like being in Edmonton. Let's say two of our three big center prospects pan out (for argurments sake, I'm just picking two, don't wnat to start a debate about who's better):

Smyth-Pouliot-Hemsky
York-Schremp-Dvorak


Now if Pouliot, Schremp and Hemsky can all live up to expectations (I know, that is probably a long shot of happening) then we'll be set up front!

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no way, Lowe trades away York

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You beat me to it Dawgbone...

This type of deal fits in well with Lowetide's 'Von Hayes' thread. Could York get us that Heatley/Nash/Iginla type player before they breakout ie. Horton. Lowes mantra of "buy low sell high" is very applicable in this case. These are the types of moves that will bring us gamebreakers. We all know the Oilers penchant for developing players of that calibre. York is probably my favorite Oiler and I would hate to see him go, but I'm not sure if I could pass up a deal like that.
Then, of course, the question becomes: What sort of player would a package of Mike York, Eric Brewer, Raffi Torres plus 1'st in '05 get us? (And no, I wouldn't want that deal to go through, even though there's a 0.004% chance Lowe would gut the team like this)

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But I just wish he would find a home on a line, or position on this team.
That wouldn't be such a problem for him if he could find a way to stay healthy, though.

The main worry I had about him when he first got here was his endurance, his previous history had shown a player that slowed down noticeably in the second half of a season. But in his 2 years and change as an Oiler we haven't even got to that point because he keeps getting hurt.

I like him and all, but his fragility worries me.

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You only trade York if you can get a Marian Gaborik type in return. Otherwise his value is high enough that he's not worth moving. He is overrated, as he's not a great finisher and is still inconsistent sometimes (although that's leaving) but he's definately worth it.

But the suggestion of Shawn Horcoff.....now that was atrocious.

Hemsky-Nedved-Dvorak
(Scorer)-Reasoner-Smyth
York-Stoll-Torres

JUST DO IT!

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I hope the Oilers don't trade York. There aren't many Oilers capable of a point-per-game, but York is one of them. If he can stay healthy and like the original poster said, find a spot, he is very valuable. The problem is that with so many injuries and underperformers the last couple of seasons it seems like York has been asked to do everything for the Oilers. He's always got different linemates and he's killing penalties, playing the point on the PP, playing a defensive role - the guy does it all.

I agree with the post that said you put York with big wingers and watch him go.

I'd like to see what Isbister-York-Torres could do. Or even Isbister-York-Smyth. Also, I'd like to see York work the half-boards on the PP as opposed to the point. Unlike many here, I've never been a fan of having a forward on the point on the PP. (Though I know the Oil don't really have a choice.)

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The way I see it, if we sign Nedved:

Torres - Nedved - Dvorak
Smyth - York - Isbister
Moreau - Reasoner - Hemsky
Horcoff - Stoll - Pisani

PB: Laraque, Rita
That looks really good except I switch Hemsky and Pisani. Pisani is a true 3rd line guy and Hemmer needs to earn his top 6 minutes. Of course Hemmer can swap with Izzy when he does that and he gets plenty of PP time.

The combos on both top lines are nice - the 3rd line with Pisani is proven - and Hemmer adds some talent to the solid 2 way games of Stoll and Horcoff.

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York is too valuable to the Oilers for him to be traded. Nedved will sign a 2 or 3 year deal, Oilers offered a 2 year/6 mil deal to Nedved. i'd rather keep York & not sign Nedved, rather then Sign Nedved, lose him in 2-3 years, and York be traded. no way it's going to happen.

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That looks really good except I switch Hemsky and Pisani. Pisani is a true 3rd line guy and Hemmer needs to earn his top 6 minutes. Of course Hemmer can swap with Izzy when he does that and he gets plenty of PP time.

The combos on both top lines are nice - the 3rd line with Pisani is proven - and Hemmer adds some talent to the solid 2 way games of Stoll and Horcoff.
The only reason I didn't put Hemsky on the 4th line is because of the age and experience level of Horcoff and Stoll. I don't know if MacT would/should ever put 3 players that young and relatively inexperienced on a line together. Otherwise I wouldn't have broken up the RPM line.

Anyway, I guess this thread isn't about my prefered line combos so in order to stay on topic, York brings too much to the table without breaking the bank so I don't see him being traded unless it's in a "swing for the fences" trade to get us an eliete player.

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I hope the Oilers don't trade York. There aren't many Oilers capable of a point-per-game, but York is one of them. If he can stay healthy and like the original poster said, find a spot, he is very valuable. The problem is that with so many injuries and underperformers the last couple of seasons it seems like York has been asked to do everything for the Oilers. He's always got different linemates and he's killing penalties, playing the point on the PP, playing a defensive role - the guy does it all.
I can't see them moving #16, he's like MacT's dream come true. He seems to thrive in the mixmaster line system and has done what he's been asked to do - everything. Trading away York + whatever it might take would be the opposite of Lowe's plan about this year. This is the year we are supposed to stop trading proven players for up and comers. If we can ink a real #1 C and let York do his job on the 2nd line and of course some PP/PK time we'll be laughing.

Am I the only one who would rather have York than Nedved? Similar point totals (pro-rated over 82 games) and he can play D.

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The only reason I didn't put Hemsky on the 4th line is because of the age and experience level of Horcoff and Stoll. I don't know if MacT would/should ever put 3 players that young and relatively inexperienced on a line together. Otherwise I wouldn't have broken up the RPM line.

Anyway, I guess this thread isn't about my prefered line combos so in order to stay on topic, York brings too much to the table without breaking the bank so I don't see him being traded unless it's in a "swing for the fences" trade to get us an eliete player.
Yeah unless we are packaging him with Brewer to get an elite young player - he's not going anywhere. But if Nedved signs I don't think we need to make that kind of trade. York is a great complimentary 2nd line player who can fill in on the top line when needed. He's also flexible, affordable and a good team player. Guys like that are valuable.

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I think York is our best forward. If we trade him and resign Nedved it's like making a lateral.

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