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09-13-2011, 05:45 PM
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Crosby wins the Calder by a huge margin in any year but his rookie year.
Not only that, but Lundqvist was nominated for the Vezina without being nominated for the Calder and Phaneuf would've won it in a lot of years as well.

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I remember that. Didn't he put up something ridiculous like a .933 SV%?

EDIT: .931 according to the interwebs, but that is still crazy.
Kiprusoff had the .933 sv% that year. He also set a modern-day record low GAA of 1.69.

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09-13-2011, 06:12 PM
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Modano 1999 playoffs, Hasek 05-06 season, Forsberg 97-98 season. There's many others but those three immediately came to mind.

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Forsberg's 1997-98 probably is underrated, largely because it was overshadowed by Jagr winning the Art Ross by double digits and not even winning the Hart.

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Kiprusoff had the .933 sv% that year. He also set a modern-day record low GAA of 1.69.
Yeah, that's probably why I got the two confused. Still, Luongo had a .931 sv% over 70+ games. That does stick out like a sore thumb now that I think about it.

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in my opinion of course..
Nabokov: 2008 Vezina
Ovechkin: 2010 Hart(lead his team to the Presidents trophy, was 3 points behind H. Sedin while missing 10 games)
Couture: 2011 Calder

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Crosby's 2010-2011

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09-13-2011, 07:43 PM
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Yeah, that's probably why I got the two confused. Still, Luongo had a .931 sv% over 70+ games. That does stick out like a sore thumb now that I think about it.
He actually set the record that season for saves and shots against (although he surpassed the latter in 2005-06).

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09-13-2011, 07:50 PM
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Roberto Luongo in 2003-04 is the most egregious example I can think of.
I'll go further, Luongo was better in 2007. He was 2nd in Hart Trophy voting to Crosby that year. Didn't win the Vezina though. Brodeur deserved it however.

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By the way, as someone who thinks Lidstrom got "robbed" of the Norris in 1998 and 2009, I don't actually think he deserved the 2011 trophy. I think Weber or Chara would have been a better choice, but I couldn't pick which one, so I didn't list either of them as being "robbed." Plus, it was honestly the weakest year for defensemen in a long time.
1998 is a year that gets thrown around here a lot. I still sleep well at night with Blake winning it since he was on a horrid team and actually finished 10th in Hart voting that year. But I get when people bring it up. However, 2009? Chara was a beast that year and after him Mike Green had a spectacular season. His offense more than made up for things. 16 years in between 30 goal seasons for a defenseman is incredible. Lidstrom was a deserving 3rd that year. And keep in mind one thing, the voters LOVE Lidstrom. He was the 4th second team all-star in 2010 ahead of Pronger - somehow. He's gotten a break or two in the past.

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09-13-2011, 08:27 PM
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I'd have to say Jagr in 1996, at least among forwads. He set NHL season records for points and assists by a wing. He also led NHL in even strength goals and assists (and in ES points by 20). His 95 ES points and 20 point margin have not been threatened since.

After that, it's difficult to choose, but here's a couple:

Post-lockout: Malkin in 2008
Dead puck era: Selanne in 1997 ('93 not shabby either), then Forsberg ('96, '98, '99) and Lindros ('96 & '99).

There's a lot of great seasons in the '80s and early '90s of course, but a lot of these are either players with a negative plus-minus (Gretzky '92, Yzerman & Lemieux in '90, Hull '90 & '92) or one of Gretzky's linemates (Nicholls & Kurri). Some of the other standouts are Bossy '86, Hawerchuk '85, Goulet '84, and Dionne '81, although Savard and Stastny have some great years as well.

Going back further, Esposito has a couple seasons, and Bobby Hull has at least a couple. Ullman has a great one as well.

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Brad Park in 1973-74 and also Jagr in 2005-06.

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1998 is a year that gets thrown around here a lot. I still sleep well at night with Blake winning it since he was on a horrid team and actually finished 10th in Hart voting that year. But I get when people bring it up. However, 2009? Chara was a beast that year and after him Mike Green had a spectacular season. His offense more than made up for things. 16 years in between 30 goal seasons for a defenseman is incredible. Lidstrom was a deserving 3rd that year. And keep in mind one thing, the voters LOVE Lidstrom. He was the 4th second team all-star in 2010 ahead of Pronger - somehow. He's gotten a break or two in the past.
Blake had a great year but Lidstrom was clearly better offensively and defensively, despite strength of teams.

In '09 the media had voter's fatigue re: Lidstrom. He had a slow start vs. Chara's hot start, and numerous writers in the media were trumpeting a change in the guard in November, and the end of Lidstrom's era. Lidstrom went on to outperform Chara in every way that season, and in front of much worse goaltending, but the media seemed determined it was someone else's time.

And if you really think Green was a better defenseman that year, despite his goals, oh come on... I don't even need to make a metaphor; Green was not a better defenseman than Lidstrom that year.

The post-season, especially, only reinforces my opinions. We all saw them play then.

As for '11, Lidstrom finished 2nd in scoring amongst defenseman while also finishing 2nd in a players' poll 3/4 of the way through the season as "the most difficult defenseman to play against (voted amongst forwards)". But many here seem to think he got it on reputation? Give me a break.


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09-14-2011, 12:09 AM
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Malkin in 2008. I know Ovechkin had 65 goals, but I'm always a guy who considers assists roughly equal to goals.

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09-14-2011, 12:22 AM
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2009? Chara was a beast that year and after him Mike Green had a spectacular season. His offense more than made up for things. 16 years in between 30 goal seasons for a defenseman is incredible.
not to discount green's excellent offensive season, but the 30 goal thing seems somewhat less impressive when you consider that the last 30 goal season was by kevin hatcher, who wasn't even a second team all-star that year.

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Jagr in 2005-06.
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Ovechkin: 2010
Agree that each was the best in those years, but each won Pearson.

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Some d-men that lucked out was Mark Howe and Borje Salming. Salming had atleast a couple of Norris seasons but played in an era of giants.

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Crosby wins the Calder by a huge margin in any year but his rookie year.
92-93 season also?

But yeah, Crosby would have won it almost every other season.

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92-93 season also?

But yeah, Crosby would have won it almost every other season.
If Crosby had played in the '92-93 season, he would've scored 180 points.

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09-14-2011, 06:57 AM
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Hawerchuk in 84/85. Hard for anyone to beat Gretzky back then but as far as MVP to his team, I think Hawerchuk was more important to the Jets than Gretzky was to the oilers, as demonstrated pretty quickly when Jamie Macoun broke his ribs in the playoffs, the Jets crumbled soon after.

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Forsberg's 1997-98 probably is underrated, largely because it was overshadowed by Jagr winning the Art Ross by double digits and not even winning the Hart.
97-98 was Selanne vs Jagr more than Forsberg vs Jagr in my opinion(obviously). It was a great race for the Art Ross between the three until the olympic break. Then Selanne and Forsberg got injured and Jagr ran away with the Trophy.

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1. Selanne 56gp 41g 27a 68pts
2. Jagr 54gp 25g 42a 67pts
3. Forsberg 55gp 20g 46a 66pts

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If Crosby had played in the '92-93 season, he would've scored 180 points.
If Crosby had played in the '92-93 season he'd also be 6 years old, which would make it all the more impressive.

Too bad he didn't, huh?

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I am a longtime Marian Hossa fan from his Sens days and I think his 100-point second season as an Atlanta Thrasher was his best, not just statistically but physically and in terms of play away from the puck. He set a franchise record for points that season and I honestly thought he'd be a finalist for the Hart trophy. Oh well.


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P.J. Axelsson deserved a Selke. Period. Which of his 10 years in Boston? At least one of several. His speed, hockey sense and commitment to defensive play was remarkable.


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P.J. Axelsson deserved a Selke. Period. Which of his 10 years in Boston? At least one of several. His speed, hockey sense and commitment to defensive play was remarkable.

Yeah, I would love to see at least one Selke for PJ. But honestly...which year?

I dont know if it fits to this thread (technically there was no Richard trophy pre 1999) but I think Peter Bondra is criminaly overlooked by everyone and gets no credit for both of his seasons when he became NHL leader in goals.

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If Crosby had played in the '92-93 season, he would've scored 180 points.
True.

And also in the 80´s. So basically Crosby should have won some trophy almost every year for the last 30 years or so. Man hes so unlucky.

Honestly, it was just a joke.

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