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12-01-2012, 12:22 PM
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If the 2011 draft was redone today, where do you think Mika would land?
No lower than 10 IMO.

If Ottawa takes either of Couturier or Hamilton, I think Mika drops to Minnesota.

The only player outside of the top 10 that I would even consider swapping Zibanejad with would be Bartschi, but I liked Bartschi even before CGY drafted him. (and that's not to say I would even make the swap)

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12-01-2012, 12:26 PM
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I think you are exactly spot on.

A couple of things I would tweak/add:

-He didn't have great balance last year (constantly falling during his 8 game stint), but is very strong on the puck. (not sure how that works lol)

-Needs to work on his upper body strength. (he's probably above average for his age, but considering his frame, he could definetly add some mass)

My favourite observation that you made which I agree with 100% is:


"Physical Play
(60) Board & Corner play - Battles for loose pucks, willing to pay the price with body
Physical presence - Size and strength are used as an asset; tough to play against;
punishes opponents. Doesnt necessarily use size to create offense, could stand to be even more “bull-in-a-china” shop with his motor + strength. Expected to improve with adjustment to smaller ice, and NA game."
Thank you for the response! Glad you liked it.

As you can see, I think pretty highly of Zibby. Not exactly an offensive forward stock full of high end tools, but very well rounded with above average tools in many areas.

He could use more strength, but yes pretty strong for his age id say.

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12-01-2012, 12:47 PM
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I think fans will always be split between those who panic too soon (see Cowen, Jared), and those who hold out hope long after the writing is on the wall (see Lee, Brian). The problem is we don't know the future so we don't know which camp we're in at any given point.

I'm not trying to predict the future, and the kid has obvious talent. I just wish that his stats (this year or previous) were giving us a bit more to get excited about thus far. Obviously that could change fast and I'm not betting that it won't.


The nervousness with this kid is probably twofold:
1) He was a slightly "off the board" pick (late riser, not a huge point producer) and it's hard not to wonder if we'll eventually regret passing on the more highly touted guys like Couturier, Hamilton or Murphy.
2) He played in a man's league at a very young age and he never had the stat-padding junior career.

Hopefully this is just a bit of a slow start.
There were people in the middle of, patience with cowen, not much faith in lee. There's people in the middle ground of most debates and they're usually the ones worth listening to.

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12-01-2012, 01:12 PM
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Thank you for the response! Glad you liked it.

As you can see, I think pretty highly of Zibby. Not exactly an offensive forward stock full of high end tools, but very well rounded with above average tools in many areas.

He could use more strength, but yes pretty strong for his age id say.
I think you are incorrect in your first sentence in the summary, but outside of that it was well written and I agree. You called him polished, yet Mika is about as raw a player as they come in the lottery, relying 90% on natural ability alone imo.

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12-01-2012, 01:17 PM
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I think you are incorrect in your first sentence in the summary, but outside of that it was well written and I agree. You called him polished, yet Mika is about as raw a player as they come in the lottery, relying 90% on natural ability alone imo.
Fair. Perhaps polished was a poor assessment of his abilities. I thought when playing back in sweden and against his own age he looked alot more polished.

Maybe I just said polished because he tries very hard to play in all 3 zones. Could just be an interpretation thing on my part.

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12-01-2012, 01:21 PM
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I am a little disappointed that Zibby is not lighting in up like some other star prospects, but I am okay with that.

Silf was the one I wanted to see the most.

He is performing just as I hoped. He is catching his stride and is ready to take off. If the NHL started tomorrow he would get the call up.

Zibby and Stone would have to fight for next call up.

Next year Bingo is going to be very good.

Puempel/Zibanejad/Stone
Hoffman/Noesen/Prince

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12-01-2012, 01:26 PM
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No lower than 10 IMO.

If Ottawa takes either of Couturier or Hamilton, I think Mika drops to Minnesota.

The only player outside of the top 10 that I would even consider swapping Zibanejad with would be Bartschi, but I liked Bartschi even before CGY drafted him. (and that's not to say I would even make the swap)
That's probably fair. Siemens could potentially make a case for top 10 as well, and Jenner and Rattie would no doubt jump significantly.

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12-01-2012, 01:37 PM
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Thank you for the response! Glad you liked it.

As you can see, I think pretty highly of Zibby. Not exactly an offensive forward stock full of high end tools, but very well rounded with above average tools in many areas.

He could use more strength, but yes pretty strong for his age id say.
Erryting looks really good but you're selling him a bit short on the defensive ratings. He is one of the best defensive forwards on our team. He always seems to make a goal-saving play every game.

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12-01-2012, 01:44 PM
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Erryting looks really good but you're selling him a bit short on the defensive ratings. He is one of the best defensive forwards on our team. He always seems to make a goal-saving play every game.
To be fair, I did say that once he adjusts full to NA ice + game, he could blossom into an elite defensive forward.

I love him as a defensive forward, but I dont view him at a toews level just yet which would be 60+ in most categories.

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12-01-2012, 02:09 PM
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I am a little disappointed that Zibby is not lighting in up like some other star prospects, but I am okay with that.
How many 19 year old prospects are lighting up the AHL?

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12-01-2012, 02:53 PM
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How many 19 year old prospects are lighting up the AHL?
That is not a fair question. Most 19 year players are still playing in the OHL.


My point was Mika is supposed to be our number 1 prospect.
Teams that have a number 1 prospect playing in the AHL seem to be doing better than he is.

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That is not a fair question. Most 19 year players are still playing in the OHL.


My point was Mika is supposed to be our number 1 prospect.
Teams that have a number 1 prospect playing in the AHL seem to be doing better than he is.
How many teams number 1 prospects playing in the AHL are 19? That's the point he made. First year in small rinks?

Lindholm, at 18
Grandlund at 20
Baertshi at 20

Not a prospect, but here is Alex Burmistrov at 20

21 GP 2G 9A 11P

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12-01-2012, 02:58 PM
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Uh....do you not remember the whole Rick Nash talk?

Murray would have traded Zbad already if Nash would have come here.

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That is not a fair question. Most 19 year players are still playing in the OHL.


My point was Mika is supposed to be our number 1 prospect.
Teams that have a number 1 prospect playing in the AHL seem to be doing better than he is.
It is a fair question if people choose to compare Zibby with other prospects playing in the AHL.

IMO, Zibby is doing very well, the production will come as he becomes more accustomed to the ice surface and linemates.


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That is not a fair question. Most 19 year players are still playing in the OHL.


My point was Mika is supposed to be our number 1 prospect.
Teams that have a number 1 prospect playing in the AHL seem to be doing better than he is.
Isn't that a point to be made?!

Mike is supposed to be our #1 prospect? Says who???? HF? THN? Who cares.

Examples?

Why do people cry like they never win when their prospect isn't doing what they like? Does our team appear like it's gonna be losing constantly in the draft? It's a part of this whole thing you have to deal with, there's 30 other teams going to bat on prospects, some are better than others, but no one is even close to perfect.

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Uh....do you not remember the whole Rick Nash talk?

Murray would have traded Zbad already if Nash would have come here.
Murray would have traded any of the prospects to get Nash, but you have to give to get and Zibby was a key piece.

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Uh....do you not remember the whole Rick Nash talk?

Murray would have traded Zbad already if Nash would have come here.
And why wouldn't he?

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If the 2011 draft was redone today, where do you think Mika would land?
Difficult question to answer as different teams likes different things in their players, but some kind of guess of a general consensus (some concept, eh?) would have the guys that went ahead of him as well as five or six others at least.

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Some one posted that BM would not trade Zbad, so I just was reminding him / her that he already tried to.

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Erryting looks really good but you're selling him a bit short on the defensive ratings. He is one of the best defensive forwards on our team. He always seems to make a goal-saving play every game.
Not only this, but from the few games I've watched him play in, he seems to read the play in the defensive zone really well. He has knack for picking off passes. That's one thing that really stood out to me.

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Not only this, but from the few games I've watched him play in, he seems to read the play in the defensive zone really well. He has knack for picking off passes. That's one thing that really stood out to me.
what did you think about the rest of the write up? thanks

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How many 19 year old prospects are lighting up the AHL?
RNH and that's it. #1 pick with a full season under his belt.

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If draft was redone today based on what we've seen.

I imagine Couturier, Hamilton, Brodin, Baertschi all pass him. He falls to around 10-11.

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If draft was redone today based on what we've seen.

I imagine Couturier, Hamilton, Brodin, Baertschi all pass him. He falls to around 10-11.
Scheifele and Klefbom you could argue as well, no?

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RNH and that's it. #1 pick with a full season under his belt.
This is a moot discussion, since most of the 19-year-olds don't play in the AHL at that age, no matter how good they are.

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Scheifele and Klefbom you could argue as well, no?
Klefbom is a real argument I imagine. I wouldn't say Scheifele at this point.

It gets pretty tough to do this accurately when not only evaluating across leagues but evaluating across pro/amateur. Benefit of the doubt should go to the higher pick. This type of analysis is gonna be pretty volatile over the next several years.

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