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09-14-2011, 07:39 PM
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But... but ... but... my prospects are better than your prospects
so true

"....but ALL we're getting back is player X and ONLY player Y"....

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09-14-2011, 08:12 PM
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Perhaps I'm just so in love with Pietrangelo but I think he will be much better than Carlson

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09-14-2011, 08:45 PM
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That statement is just wrong. You must not have watched much of Pietrangelo. Pietranglo is actually currently better defensively and offensively the Carlson without as good of a pairing partner as Alzner.
I watched plenty of Pietrangelo.

Pietrangelo was sheltered this past year. He started in the offensive zone 56.2% of the time at even strength and spent 3:00 a game on the powerplay. Carlson played against the opponents' top lines, spent more time on the PK, less on the powerplay, and started outside of the offensive zone 6% more. Despite all this, Carlson gave up 1.2 fewer goals per 60 minutes compared to Pietrangelo.

Carlson's defensive game is currently better than Pietrangelos. No question about it.

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09-14-2011, 08:48 PM
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Sounds to me you just looked up his states without watching him play......pietrangelo was the blues top defenseman.
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I watched plenty of Pietrangelo.

Pietrangelo was sheltered this past year. He started in the offensive zone 56.2% of the time at even strength and spent 3:00 a game on the powerplay. Carlson played against the opponents' top lines, spent more time on the PK, less on the powerplay, and started outside of the offensive zone 6% more. Despite all this, Carlson gave up 1.2 fewer goals per 60 minutes compared to Pietrangelo.

Carlson's defensive game is currently better than Pietrangelos. No question about it.

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09-14-2011, 08:58 PM
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Kind of a fantastical trade, but I thought I'd throw it out there:

To EDM:
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Vladamir Tarasenko

To STL:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
John Carlson

To WSH:
Alex Pietrangelo
Anton Lander


EDM gives up RNH and Lander to get Tarasenko and Kuznetsov
STL gives up Pietrangelo and Tarasenko to get Carlson and RNH
WSH gives up Carlson and Kuznetsov to get Pietrangelo, Lander

Edmonton is giving up the weakest asset in Anton Lander - but the reason for that is both Kuznetsov/Tarasenko are iffy as to whether or not they'll ever come over.

I know it's crazy, but what do you think?
It doesnt work for any of the teams, for an oilers fan we want either petro or carlson comin back are way

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09-14-2011, 09:16 PM
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This is horrible.

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09-14-2011, 10:37 PM
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Bad deal all the way around as each team is high on the players being moved.

That said Ill take Carlson over AP. Top pairing Dman are a lot harder to find then forwards. Not a knock on AP but I dont see the debate. Obviously havent seen RNH yet so dont know his value.

"Just realized AP is a D. My bad. I see the debate now"

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09-14-2011, 10:41 PM
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You do realize that Pietrangelo is one-half of the Blues first pairing, put up 43 points as a rookie, and generally had an equally good (if not better) year than Carlson with worse defensive partners, and a worse team?

I think most people would say the Caps are a better team now making that switch, if only by a small margin.
The CAPS are VERY high on Carlson and he fits into the very long term plans. There is no chance what so ever that he will be part of any trade that only improves the team "by a small margin." The only way Carlson will be part of a trade is one that the CAPS win to an extreme. The kind that would get the other GM fired over. Same goes for Alzner. The CAPS have been looking for top pairing D for a long time and now we have 2 of them. Neither are going anywhere.

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09-14-2011, 10:50 PM
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Sounds to me you just looked up his states without watching him play......pietrangelo was the blues top defenseman.
It can sound like that to you all you want. Watch John Carlson and tell me that Petro's defensive game is the same caliber as his at this point in time. Carlson was on Washington's top pairing just like Pietrangelo was in St. Louis. The difference is that Boudreau used the Alzner/Carlson pairing in a more defensive role, matched up opponents' top forwards and starting int he defensive zone more frequently than the Blues' top pairing. Despite that, Carlson ended up playing better defense than Pietrangelo.

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09-14-2011, 10:51 PM
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No No No. Why would we give up out future #1 center, and get two decent russians back. Horrible

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09-14-2011, 10:51 PM
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I watched plenty of Pietrangelo.

Pietrangelo was sheltered this past year. He started in the offensive zone 56.2% of the time at even strength and spent 3:00 a game on the powerplay. Carlson played against the opponents' top lines, spent more time on the PK, less on the powerplay, and started outside of the offensive zone 6% more. Despite all this, Carlson gave up 1.2 fewer goals per 60 minutes compared to Pietrangelo.

Carlson's defensive game is currently better than Pietrangelos. No question about it.
You forgot to mention that Carlson was on one of the NHL's best teams while Piterangelo was on a team that was a longshot at the playoffs. Let's not leave out important pieces to the stats.

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09-14-2011, 10:54 PM
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You forgot to mention that Carlson was on one of the NHL's best teams while Piterangelo was on a team that was a longshot at the playoffs. Let's not leave out important pieces to the stats.
The difference between Carlson and Pietrangelo ESGA/60 is about twice as large as the difference between the Capitals and Blues' ESGA/60.

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No No No. Why would we give up out future #1 center, and get two decent russians back. Horrible
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"decent Russians"
Rnh>>>>>>Them

Sorry to say it but it is a fact

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09-14-2011, 11:19 PM
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It's actually a pretty good deal for the Blues.

Carlson = Petro
RNH > (barely) Tarasenko

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09-14-2011, 11:24 PM
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Tarasenko and Kuznetov are great players but why would we lose our two best center prospects and not fill a hole (C or D) on our team?

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It's actually a pretty good deal for the Blues.

Carlson = Petro
RNH > (barely) Tarasenko
Future Petro >> Future Carlson

You just don't trade someone who is compared to Lidstrom by hockey people like Hitchcock.

"It looks like he's been touched by a wand by God," Detroit coach Mike Babcock said.

So are Hitchcock and Babcock both overrating Pietrangelo? I'll value their opinion more than HF posters.

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Future Petro >> Future Carlson

You just don't trade someone who is compared to Lidstrom by hockey people like Hitchcock.

"It looks like he's been touched by a wand by God," Detroit coach Mike Babcock said.

So are Hitchcock and Babcock both overrating Pietrangelo? I'll value their opinion more than HF posters.
Hitchcock compared RNH to Datsyuk, so that's why we don't trade RNH.

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09-14-2011, 11:55 PM
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Hitchcock compared RNH to Datsyuk, so that's why we don't trade RNH.
At least we all agree that none of us do the trade. It's amazing how much arguing goes on when we all agree on the final outcome.

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IMHO, everyone downgrades, nobody is happy.
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09-15-2011, 12:23 AM
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The difference between Carlson and Pietrangelo ESGA/60 is about twice as large as the difference between the Capitals and Blues' ESGA/60.

Here is a good look at what happens when you are playing for a good team vs. good competition.

http://www.iihf.com/channels-11/iihf...tatistics.html

Feel free to look at individual stats, defensemen stats, and ...


Best Players Selected by the Directorate
Best Players of Each Team Selected by Coaches

Not sure what his ESGA/60 during the tournament.

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RNH IS A NUMBER 1 PICK. Please help me understand why people don't get it.

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I like it. Great proposal.

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