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09-15-2011, 03:37 PM
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Sergei Makarov

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I made a series of russian hockey legend, and yesterday i made a video of Sergei Makarov. And i thought that maybe someone would like it here in history of hockey. My self was very young when he played so i don't remember much about him. I know he played for the famous KLM line and won alot of international gold medals, but then he went over to NHL some years. So for you people who watch him how do u compare him to other hockey legends. From the few games and clips i have seen he look like a Bure kind of player, do u agree?


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Best Russian forward, bar none. He had tremendous shooting and passing skills. Great skater. His hockey vision was off the charts and his endurance was as good as it gets. Very underrated player IMHO.

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He has a reputation as a guy who was a much better rounded player than Bure. An excellent playmaker, even way past his prime in the NHL.

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09-15-2011, 04:57 PM
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Should have been in the Hockey Hall of fame a long time ago....

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Yeah certainly no case for Bure being better than him if that tells you something. With the exception of Kharlamov, Makarov is the best Russian forward of all-time. Many of us would take Makarov anyways. It remains to be seen how the careers of Ovechkin and Malkin develop but right now Makarov is the best Russian

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Makarov was an excellent player with good speed and great, great agility, coordination and hockey sense. He had different attributes than Bure that gave him a much more rounded game. He should be in the HHOF. Edit great video with some stuff from the prime of his career, very enjoyable.

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The Summit series and Canada cup are good gauges to tell whether an european player was on par with NHL players. That guy got 7 goals and 15 points in 9 games in the 87 Canada cup. He absolutely smoked the best players in the world.

Replace Lemieux and Gretzky with two elite players of the skill of Yzerman and Messier and Canada gets destroyed.

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09-16-2011, 02:03 AM
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Although on all-time lists and such I have him behind Kharlamov and Firsov, in my heart I feel that he is the best Soviet forward ever.

And I'm glad that someone did a highlight video on Makarov; there are already a few of those for Kharlamov (not that he doesn't deserve them, but a nice change anyway!).

And yes, he was a more well-rounded player than Bure. A goal-scorer AND playmaker.

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Magnificent hockey player. Such a stylish game. Very fluid in skating and puck control. Krutov and Larionov deserve their due praise aswell, but Makarov was something different. Outstanding.

Thanks for the compilation.

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Just adding an observation. I read somewhere that Mararovs strength/size ratio was of the chart. Many players who checked him were surprised at his balance and strength. He should be a sure thing for the HHOF.

Tanks for the clip.

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A little bit of Fleury, a dash of Lafleur and a cup of Trottier and you get Makarov. Great stickhandler and passer. Faster than I remembered.

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Makarov was the man.

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Yeah certainly no case for Bure being better than him if that tells you something. With the exception of Kharlamov, Makarov is the best Russian forward of all-time. Many of us would take Makarov anyways. It remains to be seen how the careers of Ovechkin and Malkin develop but right now Makarov is the best Russian
I agree with this and Makarov was more well rounded and had better hockey sense but Bure was probably the better goal scorer and was more dynamic against better competition with less support than Makarov had as well.

Federov and his incredible 4 year playoff run (95-98) and outstanding career puts him in the mix for best Russian forward ever IMO as well.

Not to say that Makarov might not come out on top but the gap isn't as large as some might want to romanticize here.

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Makarov was an excellent player with good speed and great, great agility, coordination and hockey sense. He had different attributes than Bure that gave him a much more rounded game. He should be in the HHOF. Edit great video with some stuff from the prime of his career, very enjoyable.

Agree he should be in the Hall along with his center Larinov who was very classy.

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Makarov didnít play his first NHL season until he was 31. He played six seasons followed by an abbreviated comeback at the age of 38 with the Stars in 1996-97. His point total of 424 during his first six seasons ranks 23rd all-time for NHL forwards aged 31 through 36. Of the 22 players ahead of him, 18 are in the Hall of Fame. The other four are Adam Oates, Martin St. Louis, Daniel Alfredsson, and Joe Sakic. Of course, only Oates is currently eligible for the Hall.

Incidentally, the six players ranked 24 through 29 includes four Hall of Famers plus Mats Sundin and Jaromir Jagr.

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I agree with this and Makarov was more well rounded and had better hockey sense but Bure was probably the better goal scorer and was more dynamic against better competition with less support than Makarov had as well.

Federov and his incredible 4 year playoff run (95-98) and outstanding career puts him in the mix for best Russian forward ever IMO as well.

Not to say that Makarov might not come out on top but the gap isn't as large as some might want to romanticize here.




Agree he should be in the Hall along with his center Larinov who was very classy.
Bure was a better goalscorer? Hardly. It's just different hockey. Makarov was always just a part of a team. Who knows how many goals he'd score if he was a main sniper with a 1st line playmaker (as NHL system works).

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Bure was a better goalscorer? Hardly. It's just different hockey. Makarov was always just a part of a team. Who knows how many goals he'd score if he was a main sniper with a 1st line playmaker (as NHL system works).
Bure is probably one of the 10 best goal scorers in history, Makarov was a better overall and complete player but there is a very strong argument that Pavel was the better goal scorer IMO.

Not sure if by hardly that you meant it wasn't close but it sure is to most observers.

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That video sure profiles his skating and puckhandling skills!

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Interchangeable #1/2/3 Russian forward of all time, & thanks for compiling & posting that here.

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ill never forget the goal he scored against canada in the 84 canada cup semi-final.

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I honestly think that once you get past Howe, Richard, Jagr, and Lafleur that Sergei Makarov, Mike Bossy, and Bill Cook are a tossup for the 5th best RW of all time, but I realize that isn't a popular opinion here.

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I honestly think that once you get past Howe, Richard, Jagr, and Lafleur that Sergei Makarov, Mike Bossy, and Bill Cook are a tossup for the 5th best RW of all time, but I realize that isn't a popular opinion here.
It's hard to compare Soviet stars to NHL stars. How can you say that Bossy or Lafleur were better than Makarov if they played one vs other in two tournaments (Canada Cup 81 & 84)? Sure on HF people are mostly for Canadians. But in Russia they would say that Makarov's better.

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It's hard to compare Soviet stars to NHL stars. How can you say that Bossy or Lafleur were better than Makarov if they played one vs other in two tournaments (Canada Cup 81 & 84)? Sure on HF people are mostly for Canadians. But in Russia they would say that Makarov's better.
Makarov was better than all Canadians except Gretzky and Lemieux in the 87 Canada Cup. Sure that's a small sample size, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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It's hard to compare Soviet stars to NHL stars. How can you say that Bossy or Lafleur were better than Makarov if they played one vs other in two tournaments (Canada Cup 81 & 84)? Sure on HF people are mostly for Canadians. But in Russia they would say that Makarov's better.
Yes, of course. We can only compare their accomplishments. When it comes to physical package and skills, Makarov is at the very top IMHO.

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Among other components, he was absolutely deadly on the breakaway. Feet wide apart, a series of shoulder fakes and there you go - a lethal wrister in the top shelf. Delicious.

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And he's still not in the Hall of Fame? Do Russians have different eligibility rules?

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