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08-17-2004, 11:41 PM
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Media guys ...

Its the off-season, WTH, let's talk about our favourite, and least favourite, media guys. I'd think that at least a few of them cruise through here on occasion too, I mean what else do they have to do all day besides drink?

Also, there is a Brian Hall exemption on this thread. We all know the pain, and we all have other opitons now, let's let it go

Anyhoo ... in the print media I like Brownlee. Asinine Comrie articles from last year aside ... the guy seems to be out there looking for Oilers stories. And he writes most of the stuff that fans talk about ... on here, on call in radio, around the water cooler and around the sports bar.

On radio I like Spector and Stauffer. Need both though IMO, just not the same without the combo. Usually at least one is taking a dumbarse POV ... but I have to believe they arrange that before hand just to inspire callers with a bit o' controversy. Stauffer is a true fan of the game and Spector is a natural-born-smartarse who has made Rich Winter his B'yoch ... what's not to like? :lol At any rate a good show, and I mostly appreciate that at least one of them usually makes it to the Oilers morning skate when the boys are in town in winter.

Honourable mentions to Matheson in print, and McKinnon's rare hockey articles have just the right amount of cynicism for my taste.

Short is good too, always has been. But the guy who does the late show and subs in on the other spots (Gregor? or something like that) ... very good too.

On the bad side:

We're spoiled here. I lived in Toronto for 3 years and ground about 1/8th of an inch off of my teeth reading and listening to the sensationalist halfwits in the media there. It's all relative I guess.

Still ... Terry Jones. Does this guy even like hockey any more? I really get the feeling that he dreads going to a game.

Radio (Hallsy exemption in effect) ... Jake Daniels. Seems like he'd be a great guy to hang out with ... but I'm pretty sure that I went 3 days in a row on the morning commute without hearing word one about sports. Its SPORTS radio, dammit! That's why we tuned into a station called 'The Team'

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{Edit: Al Stafford deserves props too IMO, and Ireland probably deserves less wrath from the hardcores ... light pieces have their place too IMO}


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Bryan Hall is an Edmonton institution and a National Treasure. Frankly, it's quite sickening to see the amount of disrespect and outright contempt exhibited here against the man. This is a man who has worked tirelessly on behalf of local charities and amateur sports (often quietly and without fanfare I may add). His inductions into SEVERAL Halls of Fame are indicative of the respect he commands amongst his peers and other prominent people.

Scores upon scores of Canadian journalists of all stripes have learned their craft under the demanding tutelege of Bryan Hall. The man is truly a giant in his field. I daresay you won't find a finer human being in Edmonton than one Bryan Hall.

And just to add: His show is the flagship show on the number one radio station in town. He's obviously doing something right.


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Bryan Hall is an Edmonton institution and a National Treasure. Frankly, it's quite sickening to see the amount of disrespect and outright contempt exhibited here against the man. This is a man who has worked tirelessly on behalf of local charities and amateur sports (often quietly and without fanfare I may add). His inductions into SEVERAL Halls of Fame are indicative of the respect he commands amongst his peers and other prominent people.

Scores upon scores of Canadian journalists of all stripes have learned their craft under the demanding tutelege of Bryan Hall. The man is truly a giant in his field. I daresay you won't find a finer human being in Edmonton than one Bryan Hall.

And just to add: His show is the flagship show on the number one radio station in town. He's obviously doing something right.

bryan, is that you???

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Bike Guy - FYI - sore backs and hemeroids are also institutions all over the world, that doesn't make them enjoyable.

Bike Repairguy is a Flames fan. Easy for him to say good things about Hallsie because he never has to listen to him.

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Bryan Hall is an Edmonton institution and a National Treasure. Frankly, it's quite sickening to see the amount of disrespect and outright contempt exhibited here against the man. This is a man who has worked tirelessly on behalf of local charities and amateur sports (often quietly and without fanfare I may add). His inductions into SEVERAL Halls of Fame are indicative of the respect he commands amongst his peers and other prominent people.

Scores upon scores of Canadian journalists of all stripes have learned their craft under the demanding tutelege of Bryan Hall. The man is truly a giant in his field. I daresay you won't find a finer human being in Edmonton than one Bryan Hall.

And just to add: His show is the flagship show on the number one radio station in town. He's obviously doing something right.
This has to be sarcastic. It's awesome!

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No.... you guys got it all wrong, it's one of those fill in the blank jobbies...

Bryan Hall is insane and belongs in an Edmonton institution and like a National Treasure he should be buried, or locked away. Frankly, it's quite sickening to see the amount of disrespect and outright contempt exhibited here, and everywhere by Hallsie. I mean the calling himself "Hallsie"? Who calls themself their own nickname anyways? Geez, no wonder everyone is against the man. This is a man who has worked tirelessly on behalf of local charities and amateur sports (often quietly and without fanfare I may add). Then again, it's not like he does any real work anyways. I mean, have you ever heard this guy on the radio? You'd figure with all the talking he does, he might actually know something, or have read something, or done some research... sadly, no. His inductions into SEVERAL Halls of Fame are indicative of the respect he commands amongst his peers and other prominent people, or he has hookups with Tony Roma's to give anyone he wants free food... of course the last option seems more likely.

Scores upon scores of Canadian journalists of all stripes have learned their craft under the demanding tutelege of Bryan Hall. You can currently find their work in this months Squirrel digest, or reporting on the exciting event that is whale fishing in Northern Alberta. The man is truly a giant, and it's incredible that Commonwealth Stadium hasn't needed to make his broadcast booth bigger. Added to that, he's about the biggest self-involved person in his field. I daresay you won't find a finer human being in the Edmonton sewer system than one Bryan Hall.

And just to add: His show is the flagship show on the number one radio station in town. He's obviously doing something right to someone in charge over there, because it sure isn't integrity, insight and intelligence that he brings.

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The only way I used to be able to hear about the Oilers over the net was to tune into ched (plus to listen to the eskies games), but now I refuse to.

The only time I listen to ched is during an Oiler game, otherwise, forget it... so here I am hoping for a live feed from the TEAM....

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That was the post of the year Dawgbone!!

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Bryan Hall is terrible and should have been put out to pasture long ago. 'Nuff said about that.

Total Sports is a breath of fresh air as far as I am concerned. Stauffer and Spector are relevant and entertaining. Their humour is very self-depreciating, which I like. And for the most part, they treat their callers' opinions and ideas with respect. Now, if they could only give the gong to Adil, Warrior and others a bit more often. Same for Daily Doug, Fickle Fred and others - sorry if you guys are posting on here, but can you NOT call in EVERY day?!

Now if only the Team could do something about those goofs in the morning...

Jim Matheson is the best hockey writer in Edmonton IMO. His Hockey World page on Sundays is excellent. To me, Brownlee just writes stuff for the sake of writing stuff - most of the time he doesn't even have anything to say.

As strange as this sounds, I try to catch James Duthie's articles on the TSN page... he's actually a very good writer. Also, I liked Simpson as a colour-guy a lot more than I like him as our PP coach...

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I daresay you won't find a finer human being in the Edmonton sewer system than one Bryan Hall.
Sweet. Well done DB!

I have lived several places and I have to say I soak up the sports articles whenever I'm in Edmonton. The hockey coverage is really quite good.

Not its not very close to hard-hitting news journalism sometimes...but that's the nature of sports reporting I think. Veracity and evenness will bow down to either commercial concerns (say what the fans want to pay to read) or political/editorial spin. Some people get hot and bothered because of that but its pretty understandable even if you believe the reporters have a sacred requirement of journalistic integrity.

As for sports radio: I'm usually not very interested. Although I love to hear interviews and would have liked to hear Guy. I was in town when Guy was on, but I had an engagement that I couldn't sneak out of.

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OK, back on topic.

Print media? Brownlee and Barnes are the best of a mediocre lot. Like him or not, Brownlee seems to be the only guy from either paper that tries to find Oiler stories rather than have them fall down from the sky onto his lap...whether that research involves burgling GuyF's material or not from time to time is another matter.

A quick shout out to MacKinnon as well. His Oiler articles aren't as numerous, but they do have a spark of intelligence behind them and at least you get the impression he's not mailing it in.

Radio media? Stauff/Spec and John Short. I don't often get a chance to catch their 5-7 show because 1260's reception sucks anus out where I am, but the few times I'm on the road at that hour somewhere in the province I never fail to tune them in. Definitely greater than the sum of their parts. Was it totally unrelated that Hall's show eventually moving to an earlier slot after Stauff/Spec arrived? In my book that's called bowing down to the alpha male. Short isn't as on the ball as he used to be, but he still can bring the goods better than 90% of the other talking heads in this town, he doesn't mind asking tough questions and he can do it without grandstanding, plus he's bar none the best radio guy when it comes to dealing with callers.

Bryn & Jake are a decent listen, but I concur that Bryn is the superior.

TV media? I would have to say the CFL guys on TSN, especially Schultz. Hopefully Dunigan will stay away, but with the way things are going in Calgary I can see why they haven't replaced him; he'll likely be back to his old job in another month or so.

Miller and Maguire are good also for their hockey broadcasts...they're like Maclean/Cherry lite.

The bad...

Print media? Mario A, Jones for the Sun and Ireland for the Journal

Mario A - The very definition of gutless journalism. 2 or 3 times a season he'll crawl out from the safety of the Editor Bunker and do a driveby on the Oilers, then just as quickly scurry back inside and lock the door.

Jones - Once, a long time ago, Terry Jones wrote consistently good articles on the Oilers. Then he stopped.

Every now and again he pulls a good one outta his bum, but the vast majority of his Oiler coverage comes across as either wildly optimistic (not as often anymore) or wallowing in the depths of cynicism. He definitely comes across as someone who'd much rather be at home watching porn than having to drag his ass to an Oilers practice.

Ireland - Very nice lady, courteous and helpful...but I swear she must write her Oiler article rough drafts on a Red Robin napkin with those crayons they give out to the kids to keep them amused. If she died and was reincarnated as a car, she'd be a Chevrolet Sprint. She often gets her facts wrong and doesn't seem to put in a lot of research.

I could talk about my particular loathing of Al Strachan, but that would require more time than I'm currently willing to put in at the moment.

Radio?

Other than Hall, the only one that crosses my mind is that Kuselius (sp?) mouthpiece from ESPN radio. So what happened to his brother?

Can't think of anyone on TV at the moment I particularly despise at the moment.


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Bryan Hall is terrible and should have been put out to pasture long ago. 'Nuff said about that.

Total Sports is a breath of fresh air as far as I am concerned. Stauffer and Spector are relevant and entertaining. Their humour is very self-depreciating, which I like. And for the most part, they treat their callers' opinions and ideas with respect. Now, if they could only give the gong to Adil, Warrior and others a bit more often. Same for Daily Doug, Fickle Fred and others - sorry if you guys are posting on here, but can you NOT call in EVERY day?!

Now if only the Team could do something about those goofs in the morning...

Jim Matheson is the best hockey writer in Edmonton IMO. His Hockey World page on Sundays is excellent. To me, Brownlee just writes stuff for the sake of writing stuff - most of the time he doesn't even have anything to say.


As strange as this sounds, I try to catch James Duthie's articles on the TSN page... he's actually a very good writer. Also, I liked Simpson as a colour-guy a lot more than I like him as our PP coach...
You've got some good points here.

One thing that REALLY rankles me are these 'celebrity' callers like Warrior and their ilk. Since when did phone-ins start giving themselves monikers? Not saying they're all idiots, but please...it's a call-in show, not a message board.

I forgot about Matheson, unbelievably. Undeniably he can bring the goods better than anyone else, unfortunately he doesn't do it all that often when it comes to the local stuff. One thing he does that annoys me sometimes though (I doubt he's unique in this) is he'll often not put himself out on a limb when it comes to an opinion. Brownlee at least put his neck out there last year on the Comrie thing, calling his shot from nearly the start of it saying that Comrie wasn't coming back. He caught a lot of flak, but at least he had the parts to do it and damned if he wasn't right. Matheson on the other hand kept coming up with a lot of '60/40 chance he'll sign' articles.

Duthie is surprisingly a good read, I like his online articles a LOT more than his talking head stuff on TSN. He's actually a pretty funny guy when he's not reduced to blathering whatever his cue card tells him to read...I'll bet when they cut to commercial, more than once he asked "Who the heck wrote THAT crap?"...

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Although I love to hear interviews and would have liked to hear Guy. I was in town when Guy was on, but I had an engagement that I couldn't sneak out of.

Well your next chance is Wedensday August 25th when I will be back in studio for the full two hours sitting in for Mark Spector.

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Radio media? Stauff/Spec and John Short. I don't often get a chance to catch their 5-7 show because 1260's reception sucks anus out where I am, but the few times I'm on the road at that hour somewhere in the province I never fail to tune them in. Definitely greater than the sum of their parts. Was it totally unrelated that Hall's show eventually moving to an earlier slot after Stauff/Spec arrived? In my book that's called bowing down to the alpha male.
Oh the play this is going to get now... Stauffer: the Alpha Male of Edmonton Sports Radio...

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Oh the play this is going to get now... Stauffer: the Alpha Male of Edmonton Sports Radio...
Well hey...after his sad display of unmanlihood after professing his love for Canadian Idol and Survivor yesterday (has he turned in his Man Card yet?), I figured I'd give a brother a hand.

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Guy F, what's your take on the best (aside from yourself ) and worst media guys in this town?

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Guy F, what's your take on the best (aside from yourself ) and worst media guys in this town?

My personal favourite print guy is Brownlee but guys like Barnes, Spector, RobT from the Sun and Joanne are all very good too. Matheson's in the freaking Hall of Fame so 'Nuff Said!

Radio, well I'm on Stauffer's show every week for Pete's sake and no one from CHED has ever even called so... I guess Mark Spector.

TV, haven't really "worked" with any of them and have only talked to most of them briefly. John Sexsmith is a first class guy, so is Gene Principe from Sportsnet.

Least Fav: Yeah, not touching that one with a ten foot pole. Good try though.

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Wedensday August 25th.
Good choice: some people actually do stuff on Fridays at dinner time. :

In the "pouring salt on the wound" category, at that time I'll be many thousands of kms too far to pick up the broadcast.

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gutless journalism?

I think you see a lot of that in Edm. Everyone's in love with MacT and Lowe because they won Cups....AS PLAYERS. Plus you have the admittedly cool story about local guys running the team without much of a profit just to keep it in the city.

So maybe it's because of those reasons but no one really tells it like it is...at least not in print. I don't think Matheson is a bad reporter and I'm not saying he's not good either. But I think covering a team that won five cups in seven years as much as to do with his HOF inclusion as anything else.

There are tonnes of things that Lowe could've been called on the carpet for like his ability to find a real offensive centre or the abomination that was the Salo contract. But no one really says a peep. Jones might go off every now and then but no one takes it seriously because it's Jones. Yes yes I know there's a difference between a columnist and a beat writer but every now and then you'd think one of the beat guys would slip a little sass in

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So maybe it's because of those reasons but no one really tells it like it is...at least not in print.
You say that no one tells it like it is, and yet very few people agree with your assessment of "IS".

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There are tonnes of things that Lowe could've been called on the carpet for like his ability to find a real offensive centre or the abomination that was the Salo contract. But no one really says a peep. Jones might go off every now and then but no one takes it seriously because it's Jones. Yes yes I know there's a difference between a columnist and a beat writer but every now and then you'd think one of the beat guys would slip a little sass in
If it sold papers I'm sure they would more. Maybe not in the Journal though ... they are part owners after all.

Like in most towns ... radio is the place where the criticism is harshest here. CHED is the affiliate station, so they toe the line with the Esks and Oilers ... but the other guys don't, and neither do the callers. There is no sense in being negative just for the sake of being negative IMO ... but the opposite is also true. And in fairness to the Oilers staff they make radio appearances fairly frequently, and sometimes even take calls. They deserve props for that.

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There are tonnes of things that Lowe could've been called on the carpet for like his ability to find a real offensive centre or the abomination that was the Salo contract.
With regards to the Salo contract, it looked like a great deal at the time. They locked him up long term for less than market value, and they even had a team option just in case Salo fell apart.

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