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Wade Redden not invited to NY Rangers training camp

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09-16-2011, 12:08 PM
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lol ruudeeeeee

you pay him 6.5 per might as well invite him to training camp -____-
Why? It's part of the contract. Redden has the right to his money. Rangers have the right to not invite him to camp. What's so hard to understand?

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09-16-2011, 12:11 PM
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Don't feel bad for the guy. He wanted to get paid and he did. He knew going into the contract negotiations that there was always the possibility of being sent to Hartford.

He has the option to nullify his contract and sign with another NHL team. He chose money. Not blaming him because I'd do the same. But it just shows, some players are just in it for the money.
Well just for the money... he still played 994 nhl games. I don't he has a good career. Now for sure, it's about money. I think it's normal.

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09-16-2011, 12:12 PM
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Don't feel bad for the guy. He wanted to get paid and he did. He knew going into the contract negotiations that there was always the possibility of being sent to Hartford.

He has the option to nullify his contract and sign with another NHL team. He chose money. Not blaming him because I'd do the same. But it just shows, some players are just in it for the money.
I don't think there is one UFA that signs a long-term deal that is thinking this, especially not 3 years into the deal.

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09-16-2011, 12:14 PM
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The best solution would be if the Rangers paid him out the rest of his contract in one lump sum so he could then be released and be able to sign another lucrative deal with another team. Unfortunately that would require a CBA that made sense, unlike this one.

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The best solution would be if the Rangers paid him out the rest of his contract in one lump sum so he could then be released and be able to sign another lucrative deal with another team. Unfortunately that would require a CBA that made sense, unlike this one.
CBA seems to be working fine. The NHL doesn't want teams signing all the top UFA's year after year and then being able to get out of the contracts.

This Redden situation is exactly what the NHL saw coming.

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09-16-2011, 12:27 PM
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So ummm, deal with it. Sather signed the contract?

He should be invited to camp and at least given an opportunity to make the team. If he's not among the top 7 then fine, send him down.... But he at least deserves his shot at training camp.

Completely classless move by Sather and the organization IMO.
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. It's not classless at all. The NHL is a business, and any time money is involved things are evaluated from a financial POV.

If the Rangers were somehow trying to NOT pay him his money, then your weak comment would make sense, but they're not.

Again, Redden has all the control in the world here. There's no edict from god that says he can't walk away from his contract and play elsewhere.

Maybe you should deal with the fact that the Rangers are doing what's best for their franchise, instead of what's best for a player.


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09-16-2011, 12:33 PM
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I said this on our board. I don't feel badly for Redden at all. If people want to feel bad for somebody There are A LOT more people who have it worse than he does right now. Like the friends and family of those KHL players. Wade Reddens plight just seems trivial in comparison.

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Again, Redden has all the control in the world here. There's no edict from god that says he can't walk away from his contract and play elsewhere.
Again, I can almost guarantee you that the NHLPA would have a major issue with one of their membership walking away from his contract to accept a lower one elsewhere.

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09-16-2011, 12:35 PM
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CBA seems to be working fine. The NHL doesn't want teams signing all the top UFA's year after year and then being able to get out of the contracts.

This Redden situation is exactly what the NHL saw coming.
The CBA is not fine. Players should be allowed to sign with teams of their choice and if things do not work out then they should be able to end things via a negotiated settlement.

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I said this on our board. I don't feel badly for Redden at all. If people want to feel bad for somebody There are A LOT more people who have it worse than he does right now. Like the friends and family of those KHL players. Wade Reddens plight just seems trivial in comparison.
one thing is a tragedy the other is known as Sather in offseason.

It ain't Reddens fault Sather has a fetish known as giving up the biggest contract in the offseason.

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Redden was so terrible in his last year here in Ottawa that fans couldn't believe he was offered Chris Phillips money (about 3.5 m)to stick around. Needless to say we were laughing ourselves silly when Sather signed him to that ridiculous contract.

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This must be fixed in the next CBA. He's clearly an NHL capable defenseman. He shouldn't be allowed to be banished from the league because a team gave him a bad contract. Shame really...

Something is broken here IMO.

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09-16-2011, 12:40 PM
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I said this on our board. I don't feel badly for Redden at all. If people want to feel bad for somebody There are A LOT more people who have it worse than he does right now. Like the friends and family of those KHL players. Wade Reddens plight just seems trivial in comparison.
Talk about an absurd comparison that has no place here. Maybe you should post some cancer patient pics next. Get some counseling please.

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Again, I can almost guarantee you that the NHLPA would have a major issue with one of their membership walking away from his contract to accept a lower one elsewhere.
The NHLPA's major issue wouldn't play any role in Redden's options. Again, he has all the control here.

And he wouldn't be walking away from a contract to just, accept a lesser one. There's no guarantee that a team signs him for less, or starts him on their NHL roster.

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The CBA is not fine. Players should be allowed to sign with teams of their choice and if things do not work out then they should be able to end things via a negotiated settlement.
They can, it's called a buyout.

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They can, it's called a buyout.
Not really applicable since it would hit their salary cap. Right now, they can afford to pay him to be banished and not bat an eye. Start messing with the Cap though and they'll be held accountable for one of many absurd contracts that helped cause the lockout. Bobby Holik anyone?

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This must be fixed in the next CBA. He's clearly an NHL capable defenseman. He shouldn't be allowed to be banished from the league because a team gave him a bad contract. Shame really...

Something is broken here IMO.
I have to wonder if they allow one buyout ever so many years that doesn't count against the cap. Other than that I don't see what they do.

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Not really applicable since it would hit their salary cap. Right now, they can afford to pay him to be banished and not bat an eye. Start messing with the Cap though and they'll be held accountable for one of many absurd contracts that helped cause the lockout. Bobby Holik anyone?
Do we really want to go back to the Bobby Holik days? I know the NHL doesn't and I know the majority of the teams don't want to either.

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I have to wonder if they allow one buyout ever so many years that doesn't count against the cap. Other than that I don't see what they do.
Interesting idea....maybe combined with a limitation of how many players you can demote to the minors simply to be done with their contract at the NHL level....might work.

It's certainly a tough situation to iron out.

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I can't believe some people think this is a bad move, that Redden is a dink for signing that contract, that the Rangers are classless because they didn't invite him to camp, that there should be a CBA amendment for situations like this...

The NHL has guaranteed contracts! If he was in the NFL, the GM would just tear up his contract..

Redden was offered the money. He took it. Somehow that's a fault against him?
If someone offered you $30+ million, or whatever his contract was (I thought it was 5@6.5?), would you decline it because you might not be good enough to play in the NHL in a few years?

If you were running the Rangers, would you risk mucking up your cap situation if he's hurt? He has zero chance of making the team. Their cap structure is set, in a manner that gives Sather what he thinks is the best chance for a great season, and there's no room for a $6.5m defenseman. Doesn't matter if he's overpaid or not!


Really shows you how completely out to lunch some people are..

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Do we really want to go back to the Bobby Holik days? I know the NHL doesn't and I know the majority of the teams don't want to either.
Who would care if we did? Holik did not exactly help put banners in the rafters for the Rangers. If the Rangers want to spend money they or anyone else should be allowed to.

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It's sort of no ones fault really, Rangers had to pay to get him and no one could guess that his decline would be that drastic. The only crappy thing out of this is that Redden wasn't bought out so he could attend another team's camp and try to resurrect his career elsewhere.
Read this from the day he was traded:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...0#post14941840

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It's certainly a tough situation to iron out.
It's fine the way it is, I don't think anyone involved really has any problems with the situation.

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Who would care if we did? Holik did not exactly help put banners in the rafters for the Rangers. If the Rangers want to spend money they or anyone else should be allowed to.
Sure they should be allowed to, they should also be held accountable at some point for the bad deals they make.

Gomez
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Redden

All absurd overpayments.

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It's fine the way it is, I don't think anyone involved really has any problems with the situation.

Based upon what? The players union is there to look out for the players. Do you honestly think they love the idea of a high priced player banished to the AHL?

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This must be fixed in the next CBA. He's clearly an NHL capable defenseman. He shouldn't be allowed to be banished from the league because a team gave him a bad contract. Shame really...

Something is broken here IMO.
Nothing is broken. If only playing in the NHL was that important to Redden he could have made sure he got a NMC in his contract when he signed (of course this would have meant he would have received less money).

If he really wanted to play in the NHL he has the ability to get out of his contract as mentioned before and sign with any team (again for less money)

Redden is choosing more money to not play in the NHL simple as that. I don't feel bad at all for someone who has anywhere from $13-$16.5 million coming to him in the next 3 years regardless of where/if or how well he plays.

And I really doubt that Wade feels bad about it either.


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Based upon what? The players union is there to look out for the players. Do you honestly think they love the idea of a high priced player banished to the AHL?
Yes. The players union loves it. Redden gets his money and cap space is freed up for other players. More players get more money because of this. Players union happy.

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Interesting idea....maybe combined with a limitation of how many players you can demote to the minors simply to be done with their contract at the NHL level....might work.

It's certainly a tough situation to iron out.
I know it was mentioned a couple years back that the NHL doesn't like to see NHL players like Redden, Souary and others before them being sent to the AHL as a way to hide around the cap. There was talk that they'd try close this off completely.

Maybe you only allow x amount of one-way contracts as you say, but I'd also change the one-way/two-way to be like it was before.

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