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Which team has had the best Draft record in the past 5 years?

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03-01-2013, 08:51 AM
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Which team has had the best Draft record in the past 5 years?

Hey people,

I'm curious, which team do you think that has had the best draft record since 2008? Draft record meaning, how many drafted players actually made it to the NHL as a regular AND also how many players have a good shot as being an NHL regular. Obviously, you need to give prospects time to develop and many of them aren't even in the NHL or even given the 6 game tryout yet.

Lets make it simple

Super Star = 5 points
Regular = 3
NHL regular potential = 1

If I should add something to this metric, let me know.

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03-01-2013, 09:00 AM
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What's a superstar, what's a regular, and at this point wouldn't most picks be deemed worthy of consideration for 'NHL regular potential' since the team used a draft pick on them, especially those from the past two drafts?

This thread will be filled with a bunch of homer picks, guaranteed.

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Why not look at between 2003-2008 if you want to see this?

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Ill do the list for the Leafs. Some is subjective.

2008
Schenn - 3 points
0 points (Flaake is a possible 1)

2009
Kadri - 3 points
Blacker - 1 point
D'amigo - 1 point

2010

Ross - 1 point
McKegg - 1 point
Granburg - 1 point

2011 - Great draft year for Leafs
Biggs - 1 point
Percy - 1 point
Leivo - 1 point
Broll - 1 point
Sparks - 1 point

2012
Rielly - 3 points
Finn - 3 points
Brown - 1 point
Toninato - 1 point

Finn and Rielly get 3 points because they are guaranteed to have NHL careers. Rielly has superstar potential but at the least will be a top 4 D.

Total = 24 points. 2007 and 2008 was horrible draft years for the Leafs.

I would guess Columbus or Ottawa win this. Columbus is all young players some of whom shouldn't be in the NHL. Ottawa has a lot of guys playing due to injury.


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What is a superstar?

That is a bad 3 points. Superstars like Tavares, Stamkos, Kane are easy to draft when you're terrible.

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Ill do the list for the Leafs. Some is subjective.

2008
0 points (Flaake is a possible 1)

2009
Kadri - 3 points
Blacker - 1 point
D'amigo - 1 point

2010

Ross - 1 point
McKegg - 1 point
Granburg - 1 point

2011 - Great draft year for Leafs
Biggs - 1 point
Percy - 1 point
Leivo - 1 point
Broll - 1 point
Sparks - 1 point

2012
Rielly - 3 points
Finn - 3 points
Brown - 1 point
Toninato - 1 point

Finn and Rielly get 3 points because they are guaranteed to have NHL careers. Rielly has superstar potential but at the least will be a top 4 D.

Total = 21 points. 2007 and 2008 was horrible draft years for the Leafs.

I would guess Columbus or Ottawa win this. Columbus is all young players some of whom shouldn't be in the NHL. Ottawa has a lot of guys playing due to injury.
Luke Schenn?

Anyways, the problem with this type of ranking is that it doesn't take into account where teams are drafting, which is why teams like San Jose or Vancouver have had a much lesser chance of drafting high end talent than teams like Columbus or Florida.

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Yeah bad point system to find out who is best at drafting. I mean drafting a superstar in with the 50th pick is much harder than drafting star with the first pick.

I sure using this system, the Oilers are going to look like they're awesome at drafting.

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This seems like one of those threads started simply because the OP wants to create a thread with arguments between fans that will end up 20 pages long.

Also we're going to see every poster handing out the most points for the more recent drafts, since the busts haven't been weeded out yet.

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Luke Schenn?

Anyways, the problem with this type of ranking is that it doesn't take into account where teams are drafting, which is why teams like San Jose or Vancouver have had a much lesser chance of drafting high end talent than teams like Columbus or Florida.
Scheen was 06 or 07 not in the criteria.

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Hey people,

I'm curious, which team do you think that has had the best draft record since 2008? Draft record meaning, how many drafted players actually made it to the NHL as a regular AND also how many players have a good shot as being an NHL regular. Obviously, you need to give prospects time to develop and many of them aren't even in the NHL or even given the 6 game tryout yet.

Lets make it simple

Super Star = 5 points
Regular = 3
NHL regular potential = 1

If I should add something to this metric, let me know.

Have a factor you divide in for top 5 and top 10 picks. The lower the round with the higher number of nhl game splayed should county the most

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Scheen was 06 or 07 not in the criteria.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2008e.html

Look at #5.

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If you draft a super star (Elite class player), usually means you either got lucky trading for a pick from a few years back and end up drafting high or the team is just bad and needs to draft high.

Sure, there are no brainers, but even with a high pick, you have a good shot at drafting a bust. First overalls are hard to screw up on, though it does happen.

Just because you have first shot at a high pick doesn't mean that the rest of your picks will be stellar. I am talking all draftees. If your only players playing and or developing are only first rounders, that just tells me that other than first round success, your teams analysis of a players talent beyond the first round isn't so hot. This is where those top tier teams can end up with the best draft pool. You may not have a high first round, but if you succeed at picking players, there should not be a problem comparing draft/prospect pools.

I think we all know what a super star or elite player is. Regular is day to day player...knows what they are capable of and is on an active NHL teams roster. Prospect is a prospect.

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Have a factor you divide in for top 5 and top 10 picks. The lower the round with the higher number of nhl game splayed should county the most
Good idea.

what about first round 2 points
Round 2-3 - 3 points
Round 4 - 4
Round 5 - 5
Round 6 - 6
Round 7 - 7

The points are given to any player actively playing in the NHL regularly.

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2012:
Yakupov - 3 points

2011:
RNH - 4 points
Klefbom - 1 point
Musil - 1 point

2010:
Hall - 4 points
Marincin - 1 point
Pelss - 1 point

2009:
Paajarvi - 3 points
Lander - 1 point

2008:
Eberle - 4 points
Hartikainen - 3 points

Total = 26


Had a tough time calling RNH/Hall/Eberle a "superstar" or a "regular", so I gave them 4 points as a "star".

Might be a few 1 pointers for 2012, but too early to really say, imo.

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2008:
Eberle - 5
Hartikainen - 1

2009:
Paajarvi - 1
Lander - 1

2010:
Hall - 5

2011:
Nugent-Hopkins - 5

2012:
Yakupov - 5



This is under the impression they will be superstars. Or atleast more than than NHL regulars

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I wouldn't call RNH, or Hall or Eberle stars yet...

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Sabres: (I give partial credit for people who have a long shot, lol). According to your scale...

2008

Tyler Myers (12th overall) 3
Tyler Ennis (26th) 3
Luke Adam (44th) 0.5 (he's accomplished a lot more than most people in 2008 but he's slow and unmotivated sometimes, seen tastes of the NHL, won AHL ROY but then has slumped and others who really want it have done better in the A, does have 71 NHL games under his belt)

2009

Zack Kassian 3 (will be a good, PFW, gave us Hodgson)
Brayden McNabb 1
Marcus Foligno 3 (has exceeded expectations, now some people project him a little higher than what I do, will be a heart and sole, 3rd line, physical forward with some scoring ability)

2010

Mark Pysyk 1

Sundher, Gaut-Leduc, maybe outside shots but their progress in the AHL will definitely take time.

2011

Joel Armia 1
Dan Catenacci 1

2012

Mikhail Grigorenko 1
Jake McCabe 1

18.5

But, I don't really know about our other prospects so I'm sure others will be more informative. And yes, I am aware of potential methodology problems but I was just giving my best shot at this anyways.

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You can't base this off the last 2 drafts if you want an accurate answer.

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Oilers drafted three 1st overalls in a row because of bad performances, not good drafting. I also don't see what metric you used to assign the values of the different levels of players. This thread could be good, but the OP has some terrible ideas.

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Honestly this is a terrible way to gouge a team's scouting success... look at Edmonton for example had 3 1st overalls in the last 3 years. It'd be better to just assign a point for every NHL regular drafted in the last 10 years to really get an idea of how many NHL caliber players they have drafted that are still in the NHL and not playing for their farm teams/healthy scratched 90% of the time.

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Not going to do the points but the Ducks have drafted very well since 2008.

2008:
17th Jake Gardiner
43rd Justin Schultz
85th Brandon McMillan

2009:
15th Peter Holland
25th Kyle Palmieri
37th Mat Clark
106th Sami Vatanen

2010:
12th Cam Fowler
29th Emerson Etem
42nd Devante Smith-Pelley
122nd Chris Wagner

2011:
30th Ricard Rakell
39th John Gibson
53rd William Karlsson
83rd Andy Welisnki
143rd Max Friberg
160th Josh Manson

2012:
6th Hampus Lindholm
36th Nick Kerdiles
87th Federik Andersen
97th Kevin Roy

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Don't think people should project people to be stars. Either they are atm or they aren't. Don't really like this system but wanted to see.

2008
Erik Karlsson (15th) - 5
Patrick Wiercioch (42nd) - 3
Zack Smith (79th) - 3
Andre Petersson (109th) - 1
Derek Grant (119th) - 1
Mark Borowiecki (139th)- 1


2009
Jared Cowen (9th) - 3
Jakob Silfverberg (39th) - 3
Robin Lehner (46th) - 1
Mike Hoffman (130th) - 1

2010
Mark Stone (178th) - 1

2011
Mika Zibanejad (6th) - 3
Stefan Noesen (21st) - 1
Matt Puempel (24th) - 1
Shane Prince (61st) - 1
Jean-Gabriel Pageau (96th) - 1
Fredrick Claesson (126th) - 1


2012
Cody Ceci (15th) - 1
Chris Driedger (76th) - 1
Jarrod Maidens (82nd) - 1
Francois Brassard (166th) - 1
Mikael Wikstrand (196th) - 1


39 - May be optimistic, but is fair I think. Sens drafting has been great (as seen by our depth this year). If we did early drafts to 2006 would be even more. As you can see, Sens are good at snagging guys in the late rounds. Also doesn't include NCAA players who were signed (but could still be attributed to scouting).


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Good idea.

what about first round 2 points
Round 2-3 - 3 points
Round 4 - 4
Round 5 - 5
Round 6 - 6
Round 7 - 7

The points are given to any player actively playing in the NHL regularly.
I get what you are saying, but IMO, drafting a guy later shouldn't automatically get you more points.

Take Pavel Datsyuk for example, he's worth 6 points on your ratings because he ws a 6th rounder. But should you credit Detroit's scouting staff for grabbing him so late? Maybe. On the other hand, they were just lucky no one else grabbed him prior to pick 171 either.

Let's not forget as well that they drafted Jiri Fischer, Ryan Barnes, Tomek Valtonen, Jake McCracken, Brett Hobday, Carl Steen and Adam DeLeeuw before Datsyuk, meaning even they had seven players at least rated ahead of Datsyuk (and obviously likely many, many more). Of those they drafted ahead of Datsyuk, only two, Fischer and Barnes, even reached the NHL, and Barnes only got two games. Fischer was a good pick, with the heart issues the only flag on his career.

So it's a bit of good scouting for sure to grab a guy late in the draft like Datsyuk, but it's also a lot of luck as well. IMO it's not so much great skill at grabbing someone like Datsyuk in the 6th round as it is that Detroit's scouts just weren't quite as dumb as the other teams scouting departments. If they had really seen what he could become, they wouldn't have wait until round 6 to grab him.

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I get what you are saying, but IMO, drafting a guy later shouldn't automatically get you more points.

Take Pavel Datsyuk for example, he's worth 6 points on your ratings because he ws a 6th rounder. But should you credit Detroit's scouting staff for grabbing him so late? Maybe. On the other hand, they were just lucky no one else grabbed him prior to pick 171 either.

Let's not forget as well that they drafted Jiri Fischer, Ryan Barnes, Tomek Valtonen, Jake McCracken, Brett Hobday, Carl Steen and Adam DeLeeuw before Datsyuk, meaning even they had seven players at least rated ahead of Datsyuk (and obviously likely many, many more). Of those they drafted ahead of Datsyuk, only two, Fischer and Barnes, even reached the NHL, and Barnes only got two games. Fischer was a good pick, with the heart issues the only flag on his career.

So it's a bit of good scouting for sure to grab a guy late in the draft like Datsyuk, but it's also a lot of luck as well. IMO it's not so much great skill at grabbing someone like Datsyuk in the 6th round as it is that Detroit's scouts just weren't quite as dumb as the other teams scouting departments. If they had really seen what he could become, they wouldn't have wait until round 6 to grab him.
In Datsyuk's case the Wings knew they were the only team who had scouted him so they probably waited a few rounds to select him, knowing he'd still be available.

There is still a lot of luck involved though because as you said, had they known just how good he would turn out to be they probably wouldn't have gambled like they did.

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