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09-19-2011, 04:50 PM
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I just want to say one thing about Ryan Nugent-Hopkins' style of play, and I hope that this gets noticed by most people here. I watched him a number of times in Red Deer last year, and in the pre season this year as well. What I can tell you for sure, is that he isn't a flashy guy at all. He isn't like Hall in that you notice him on the ice all the time, you don't notice him often at all actually. You notice when he makes an awesome play, like stripping the puck in the JM Cup yesterday (which we'll see a lot of, its one of his favorite moves). The amazing thing about Nugent-Hopkins is how subtle his game is. He does all the little things right, so unless you're watching close, you don't really notice him. Next thing you know, the puck is in the other teams net, and you're left wondering how RNH got the puck and set up the shooter so quickly. He's quite a unique player to watch. I just thought I'd share this because I noticed a few people sharing how they were expecting more out of RNH. Honestly, I was last season as well. It took a few games for me to figure out that RNH wasn't going to be dangling all over the place, he was going to do everything right and be invisible while doing it.
This is what I thought as well. He is the kind of player that doesn't necessarily stand out on the ice all the time, but shows up on the scoreboard.He doesn't seem to carry the puck much but at the same time make simple amazing plays.

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This is what I thought as well. He is the kind of player that doesn't necessarily stand out on the ice all the time, but shows up on the scoreboard.He doesn't seem to carry the puck much but at the same time make simple amazing plays.
With respect to this, Crosby plays like this. Except on the powerplay, I almost never notice Crosby on the ice (except down low in the offensive zone when it seems no one can knock him off the puck).

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What I have noticed about RNH at this level is his defensive acumen.

He may not be as dynamic as Hall but IMO he will be trusted in more difficult scenarios.

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With respect to this, Crosby plays like this. Except on the powerplay, I almost never notice Crosby on the ice (except down low in the offensive zone when it seems no one can knock him off the puck).
I noticed that when I saw him play live in Edmonton. He didn't seem to even notice him much (except the fact that I was watching him specifically) but he killed us with I believe three points that game.

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What I have noticed about RNH at this level is his defensive acumen.

He may not be as dynamic as Hall but IMO he will be trusted in more difficult scenarios.
Agreed.

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I noticed that when I saw him play live in Edmonton. He didn't seem to even notice him much (except the fact that I was watching him specifically) but he killed us with I believe three points that game.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well but didnt want to say it and spark off the talk of crazy comparisons. He doesnt have the physical tools to ever be Sid Crosby but he does play a smart game and is mostly invisible (from what I've seen). Was at that Penguins game and Crosby was invisible until you looked at the score sheet.

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I just want to say one thing about Ryan Nugent-Hopkins' style of play, and I hope that this gets noticed by most people here. I watched him a number of times in Red Deer last year, and in the pre season this year as well. What I can tell you for sure, is that he isn't a flashy guy at all. He isn't like Hall in that you notice him on the ice all the time, you don't notice him often at all actually. You notice when he makes an awesome play, like stripping the puck in the JM Cup yesterday (which we'll see a lot of, its one of his favorite moves). The amazing thing about Nugent-Hopkins is how subtle his game is. He does all the little things right, so unless you're watching close, you don't really notice him. Next thing you know, the puck is in the other teams net, and you're left wondering how RNH got the puck and set up the shooter so quickly. He's quite a unique player to watch. I just thought I'd share this because I noticed a few people sharing how they were expecting more out of RNH. Honestly, I was last season as well. It took a few games for me to figure out that RNH wasn't going to be dangling all over the place, he was going to do everything right and be invisible while doing it.
I agree whole heartedly.

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09-19-2011, 11:58 PM
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Martindale - straight up comp for Brodziak imo. Similar size and style, junior stats are pretty similar all things considered, unimpressive draft pedigree, will he be better, worse or even?

RNH - Is he that good or that flukey? When he set up Hamilton on the tape, on the fly, thru 2 defenders off just a 1/4 second glance vs the nux it was sublime but lots of guys would have just thrown it out there on that play anyways. So was that a decent overall game with a highlite reel pass or a decent overall game with a flukey pass?

Honestly for an 18 yr old he's doing pretty well against veteran nhl'ers, veteran ahl'ers, etc. His size/strength doesn't seem to be anywhere near as much of an issue as I was thinking b4. I thought guys would be knocking him around like a 19 yr old sedin.

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Martindale - straight up comp for Brodziak imo. Similar size and style, junior stats are pretty similar all things considered, unimpressive draft pedigree, will he be better, worse or even?
Similar comparison in some ways, but Martindale has way more tools, and at the same age scored 20 more points in the WHL than Brodziak did, which is rather significant. The biggest knock on Martindale from scouts, who know the player's history better than I, has always been his compete level. Scouts have often said Martindale had the skill level of a first round pick, but often played the game with indifference. If Martindale can continue to play with consistency, as he did last season, he should surpass Brodziak as a player in almost every way imaginable. I really enjoyed his game Sunday, but it is early to tell what his trajectory is as a player. The Brodziak comparison is an interesting one. One never knows how a player will develop, but Martindale is making an interesting case for himself as a prospect imo.

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Martindale - straight up comp for Brodziak imo. Similar size and style, junior stats are pretty similar all things considered, unimpressive draft pedigree, will he be better, worse or even?
Hmm?

Brodziak = 0.86 ppg

Martindale = 1.27 ppg


That's a fairly significant difference. Especially when you consider Martindale was the cornerstone of his line, where as Brodziak seems to have been the third wheel.

Martindale is also much more physical.

The comparison is way off, in my opinion.

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Martindale has a hell of a lot more skill than Brodziak ever had. He also looks stronger at 20 than Brodziak did in his time here.

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Martindale reminds me so much of Penner on the ice, it's not funny. Soft, soft mitts and that big man's lumbering stride that looks like dog**** but somehow keeps him up in the play. I've been following him pretty closely since the draft and there's certainly nothing wrong with his numbers. Add to that the seen-him-good from the last week and he looks like a real find for the organization. Hope he gets a contract soon. Looking forward to watching him tomorrow.

A part of me wonders if the Oilers have been playing head games with him a bit. They know the knock on him is his effort level and commitment so maybe they're trying to challenge and light a fire under him by keeping him at arm's length for the moment. If so, it's a scheme that's working well and gives a whole new meaning to asset management.

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Martindale reminds me so much of Penner on the ice, it's not funny. Soft, soft mitts and that big man's lumbering stride that looks like dog**** but somehow keeps him up in the play. I've been following him pretty closely since the draft and there's certainly nothing wrong with his numbers. Add to that the seen-him-good from the last week and he looks like a real find for the organization. Hope he gets a contract soon. Looking forward to watching him tomorrow.

A part of me wonders if the Oilers have been playing head games with him a bit. They know the knock on him is his effort level and commitment so maybe they're trying to challenge and light a fire under him by keeping him at arm's length for the moment. If so, it's a scheme that's working well and gives a whole new meaning to asset management.
I haven't seen enough of him to judge properly, but considering your's and others comments on Martindale, I'm wondering if he may be a good comparison to one of the forgotten Oilers: Mike Krushelniski?

Anyone?

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Martindale reminds me so much of Penner on the ice, it's not funny. Soft, soft mitts and that big man's lumbering stride that looks like dog**** but somehow keeps him up in the play. I've been following him pretty closely since the draft and there's certainly nothing wrong with his numbers. Add to that the seen-him-good from the last week and he looks like a real find for the organization. Hope he gets a contract soon. Looking forward to watching him tomorrow.

A part of me wonders if the Oilers have been playing head games with him a bit. They know the knock on him is his effort level and commitment so maybe they're trying to challenge and light a fire under him by keeping him at arm's length for the moment. If so, it's a scheme that's working well and gives a whole new meaning to asset management.

He has an interesting balance of obvious offence/hands and size/physicality, esp. after bulking up over the summer that few people have at his age. He's not Taylor Hall of course but he's certainly looking like he's dedicated himself to meeting his potential.

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I haven't seen enough of him to judge properly, but considering your's and others comments on Martindale, I'm wondering if he may be a good comparison to one of the forgotten Oilers: Mike Krushelniski?

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Best comparison yet. Think you nailed it. Krush likely had better hands. I disagree with BBO's take that Brodziak didn't have comparable hands.

Martindales stronger than Brodz, more like Krush, and somewhere between these two in offensive ability.

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If so, it's a scheme that's working well and gives a whole new meaning to asset management.
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I haven't seen enough of him to judge properly, but considering your's and others comments on Martindale, I'm wondering if he may be a good comparison to one of the forgotten Oilers: Mike Krushelniski?

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You mean yours - there is no such thing as your's in the English language

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He's not Taylor Hall of course but he's certainly looking like he's dedicated himself to meeting his potential.
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You mean yours - there is no such thing as your's in the English language
Please Cheesy, give me a break. Did you really have to correct my English faux pas with that? Why not just comment on my post, which was more of a question than any type of statement. I didn't come on these boards to be corrected in the grammatical nuances of the English language.

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Please Cheesy, give me a break. Did you really have to correct my English faux pas with that? Why not just comment on my post, which was more of a question than any type of statement. I didn't come on these boards to be corrected in the grammatical nuances of the English language.

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Well I give you all the credit in the world for coming to our great country and learning the language. We need more hardworking immigrants like you. Work hard, and this country can be your's !!

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This is what I thought as well. He is the kind of player that doesn't necessarily stand out on the ice all the time, but shows up on the scoreboard.He doesn't seem to carry the puck much but at the same time make simple amazing plays.
Exactly. I think that is also why he wasn't at the top of the rankings until closer to the draft when teams start scouting more. Teams overlooked him early on, but after seeing the skill he has, most obviously saw how great his skill set is.

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Hmm?

Brodziak = 0.86 ppg

Martindale = 1.27 ppg


That's a fairly significant difference. Especially when you consider Martindale was the cornerstone of his line, where as Brodziak seems to have been the third wheel.

Martindale is also much more physical.

The comparison is way off, in my opinion.
Your stats are wrong. Brodziak was 5 months older when he got 93 pts than Martindale was when he got 83 points. Pretty straight up don't you think? Martindale also has some pretty good linemates, he's not getting any less help scoring than Brodziak did. I'm not sure he deserves the title "cornerstone" on that line while being the lowest scorer on it. He was 23 goals and 25 total points behind Toffoli.

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