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09-29-2011, 07:53 PM
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So, basically, the key to fantasy hockey success... 2 goalies in the first 5 rounds (in 6x4, 8x4, 10x5 or similar), not putting much emphasis on defense (mostly a waste in fantasy unless hits/blocked shots count), and drafting the usual underrated players (mostly from Pacific Division).

Ie: why is Skinner ranked more than 60 spots higher than Couture in Yahoo? No, seriously. Dustin Brown, Brendan Morrow, Pavelski, Clowe, and others are perennially underrated.

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So, basically, the key to fantasy hockey success... 2 goalies in the first 5 rounds (in 6x4, 8x4, 10x5 or similar), not putting much emphasis on defense (mostly a waste in fantasy unless hits/blocked shots count), and drafting the usual underrated players (mostly from Pacific Division).

Ie: why is Skinner ranked more than 60 spots higher than Couture in Yahoo? No, seriously. Dustin Brown, Brendan Morrow, Pavelski, Clowe, and others are perennially underrated.
I Like to get 2 quality goalies always. In the hf draft I took Miller in the 2nd and Howard in the 4th. Didn't take a d-man till the eleventh. I don't mind D-men(we do use blocked shots & hits), but instead of playing 4 I would rather play only 2 and add two flex spots.

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I Like to get 2 quality goalies always. In the hf draft I took Miller in the 2nd and Howard in the 4th. Didn't take a d-man till the eleventh. I don't mind D-men(we do use blocked shots & hits), but instead of playing 4 I would rather play only 2 and add two flex spots.
Yeah I went Rinne-Howard in HF#2. For D I took Boyle fairly early, Pronger in the middle, and Schenn late. I always just feel like at the spots where top D are taken there is always a forward available who's going to put up better numbers across the board. The D in the middle rounds are a crap shoot anyway, and many will be dropped or exchanged at some point in the season for a breakout. I equate D to catchers in baseball, and kickers in fantasy--better off avoiding early and stocking up on at the end.

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speaking of fantasy hockey, about Burns. big fan of him. is the idea that he plays to other side of the point with Boyle on the top pp? or will you guys use him on the 2nd unit and go with Pavelski again...

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speaking of fantasy hockey, about Burns. big fan of him. is the idea that he plays to other side of the point with Boyle on the top pp? or will you guys use him on the 2nd unit and go with Pavelski again...

I'm guessing they'll split them up, but it's not set in stone yet.

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speaking of fantasy hockey, about Burns. big fan of him. is the idea that he plays to other side of the point with Boyle on the top pp? or will you guys use him on the 2nd unit and go with Pavelski again...
Chances are he'll be on the second unit. I don't think we'll be using Pavelski at all this year, I think it'll be another dman.

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Pavelski will move to a wing postion on the PP and won't be on the point anymore (I expect). That point men will consist of Burns, Boyle, and Demers for sure. Who the other will be in an open question IMO, and whether Burns and Boyle man the points is still TBD. I would not be surprised if they do start out together.

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So, basically, the key to fantasy hockey success... 2 goalies in the first 5 rounds (in 6x4, 8x4, 10x5 or similar), not putting much emphasis on defense (mostly a waste in fantasy unless hits/blocked shots count), and drafting the usual underrated players (mostly from Pacific Division).

Ie: why is Skinner ranked more than 60 spots higher than Couture in Yahoo? No, seriously. Dustin Brown, Brendan Morrow, Pavelski, Clowe, and others are perennially underrated.
i see no reason to take a 2nd goalie in the first 5 rounds if you get a Luongo or Lundqvist in round 1/2.

just look for value anywhere you can find it (good players on new/bad teams, or guys coming off injuries). rookies can be great values too - Ex. Couture, Skinner were top 50 players that went undrafted.

its not so much take forwards over defense, because that can change each year. in the past, taking Mike Green high has been a good pick, because he produced like a forward.

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i see no reason to take a 2nd goalie in the first 5 rounds if you get a Luongo or Lundqvist in round 1/2.

just look for value anywhere you can find it (good players on new/bad teams, or guys coming off injuries). rookies can be great values too - Ex. Couture, Skinner were top 50 players that went undrafted.

its not so much take forwards over defense, because that can change each year. in the past, taking Mike Green high has been a good pick, because he produced like a forward.

Agreed. If one of the elites was there at the end of the 1st round I'd take him, but then I'd wait until at least round six to even think about drafting that 2nd goalie (unless of course the entire league starts drafting one goalie after another). And if Lundqvist/Luongo/Rinne/etc. isn't there, then I'm waiting till round 4 or 5 to draft my first goalie. The first three rounds should be reserved for elite wingers IMO.

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09-30-2011, 02:11 PM
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speaking of fantasy hockey, about Burns. big fan of him. is the idea that he plays to other side of the point with Boyle on the top pp? or will you guys use him on the 2nd unit and go with Pavelski again...
Here's what I'd like to see them do, although I don't think they will.


Marleau-Thornton-Couture-Burns-Boyle
Clowe-Handzus-Havlat-Pavelski-Demers

Pavelski has experience playing the point on the power play, even if it isn't ideal. Handzus could use his big body as a screen in front. And most importantly, Vlasic wouldn't get any power play time.

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So, basically, the key to fantasy hockey success... 2 goalies in the first 5 rounds (in 6x4, 8x4, 10x5 or similar), not putting much emphasis on defense (mostly a waste in fantasy unless hits/blocked shots count), and drafting the usual underrated players (mostly from Pacific Division).

Ie: why is Skinner ranked more than 60 spots higher than Couture in Yahoo? No, seriously. Dustin Brown, Brendan Morrow, Pavelski, Clowe, and others are perennially underrated.
Lucic as well. He's good for 30 goals 30 assists, with a ton of PIM's, hits and a good +/-. As far as good scorers who also have the intangibles fantasy wise, he's the best there is. Steve Downie is a good one as well who usually slips way farther than he should.

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i just stole Crosby at #37 overall. i'm so happy with myself right now.

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i just stole Crosby at #37 overall. i'm so happy with myself right now.
Holy ****. I took him 10th earlier today and thought it was a steal.

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yahoo moved his pre-draft ranking down to 75! i played it perfectly and picked him 37th. waited as long as i could.

i got Crosby and Stamkos on the same team.

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yahoo moved his pre-draft ranking down to 75! i played it perfectly and picked him 37th. waited as long as i could.

i got Crosby and Stamkos on the same team.
God damn!

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great first MacArthur now Malone is likely to get suspended, and both are on my ESPN team.

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great first MacArthur now Malone is likely to get suspended, and both are on my ESPN team.
Nice. I have both Edler and Hall on my team, so hopefully that incident gets sorted with no injuries or suspensions.

Although methinks I'd be okay if Edler were suspended a while, if it meant that the Nucks had to role with a Ballard-Salo second pair.

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Just had a draft for a league with some friends from school.

I got Ovechkin and Crosby on the same team. #1 and #24 overall.

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Got Crosby as well, also snagged Zetterberg, Parise, Giroux, and most importantly, Brent mutha****ing Burns!!! Can't wait for Thursday.

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I love my team in my fantasy league. I got Rinne, Price, and Schneider as my goalies, and I got Malkin at like 24th, which is awesome, and I pulled Parise, Giroux, Backes, Hall, Eriksson, Selanne, Pominville, and Hemsky on F, and Keith, Pietrangelo, Edler, Enstrom, and Kulikov on D.

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i see no reason to take a 2nd goalie in the first 5 rounds if you get a Luongo or Lundqvist in round 1/2.

just look for value anywhere you can find it (good players on new/bad teams, or guys coming off injuries). rookies can be great values too - Ex. Couture, Skinner were top 50 players that went undrafted.

its not so much take forwards over defense, because that can change each year. in the past, taking Mike Green high has been a good pick, because he produced like a forward.
I think that if you spend a first or second round pick on a goalie, you are giving away your advantage if you wait to get the 15th-20th rated guy to go with him. I use two high picks on goalies to put myself at a big advantage in four or five categories. I'd rather bank on quality and consistency for so many stats that ride on two starters in most leagues.

Definitely there's always value picks to be made, whether that be the overlooked, the underrated, or quiet rookies due to bust out. As for defense, I still maintain, overall, they are almost always overrated in the rankings. A few guys like Green and Lidstrom are the exception to that rule. Outside of those few studs, most of them are drafted in spots where the forwards being taken around them are posting better numbers overall. Given how often a bench player is used in fantasy hockey (because of the spacing of games) I usually opt to draft an extra bench forward and roll with less than the 'minimum' starting Dmen as well.

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Probably my best Fantasy team of my three this season (HF, Friends, co-workers). Even if I have Ovechkin and Crosby on another one.



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Your centers are amazing.

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All thanks to people not caring about the pacific division. Toews, Giroux, Roy, E. Staal, Vinny C, Briere, Bergeron, Datsyuk, Douchene and Stasny all taken before, letting Kopitar, Getzlaf and Marleau (someone got Thornton before I was able to pick :'( ) fall to me.

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All thanks to people not caring about the pacific division. Toews, Giroux, Roy, E. Staal, Vinny C, Briere, Bergeron, Datsyuk, Douchene and Stasny all taken before, letting Kopitar, Getzlaf and Marleau (someone got Thornton before I was able to pick :'( ) fall to me.
Damn, your team is awesome.

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