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09-26-2011, 08:50 PM
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Unfortunately, I think Jagr is going to put up a lot of points this year and make us all even more pissed he went to Philly...

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I preticted this.Did anyone of you actually believe that Jagr would put up only 40 points or something what many guys predicted?.39 years old isnt ancient human being, Jagr is gonna be an offensive powerhouse this season and we have to just deal with it.

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09-26-2011, 08:56 PM
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I preticted this.Did anyone of you actually believe that Jagr would put up only 40 points or something what many guys predicted?.39 years old isnt ancient human being, Jagr is gonna be an offensive powerhouse this season and we have to just deal with it.
In hockey years, 39 is not young.

This is the preseason against sub-par competition...he looks good but there is still much to prove.

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09-26-2011, 09:02 PM
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In hockey years, 39 is not young.

This is the preseason against sub-par competition...he looks good but there is still much to prove.
I know 39 isnt young, but you stll see Teemu, Guerin(08-09) and couple of others playing good hockey and Jagr is worlds better then them.Even during the World Championships, you could see he still has it.

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09-26-2011, 09:05 PM
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PP specialist. He'll rack up 20+ PP goals but won't have the speed to be as effective ES.

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09-26-2011, 09:08 PM
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I know 39 isnt young, but you stll see Teemu, Guerin(08-09) and couple of others playing good hockey and Jagr is worlds better then them.Even during the World Championships, you could see he still has it.
Like I said, it's hard to get too excited about the preseason...especially tonight with the Rangers icing a pretty weak lineup. Jagr looks good on the Power Play, but I don't think anyone would have disputed that he would still be an asset on the PP...there's still a long way to go

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09-26-2011, 09:15 PM
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Haha, here's a gif of Talbot basically running away from a fight...I'm so glad this joke is gone.

http://twitpic.com/6r6hv4

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If anyone didn't think Jagr was going to put up points, they're sadly mistaken. He's one of the best offensive players ever to play the game.

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(Max) Hes yours Philly, he is yours now.Enjoy 7 goals 12 assist a season or whatever he is gonna put up to earn those millions.

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Simmonds really put the NHL in an awkward position tonight...

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What did he do?

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What did he do?
Got caught on camera yelling a homophobic slur at Avery.

Given how hard the NBA and other leagues have come down on this, the NHL is almost forced to act, but seeing how Simmonds was just in the news as the victim of a racially charged action, it really makes the NHL look badly.

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09-26-2011, 10:59 PM
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Got caught on camera yelling a homophobic slur at Avery.

Given how hard the NBA and other leagues have come down on this, the NHL is almost forced to act, but seeing how Simmonds was just in the news as the victim of a racially charged action, it really makes the NHL look badly.
It makes him look bad, but I don't really know how the NHL could really punish him. It's not like he was in public doing that, he was on the ice, and I guarantee with everything I have he's not the only one who was using homophobic slurs in that game.

Is it Simmonds' fault that they caught him saying it? Because guys have been caught swearing all the time on camera and mic during games.

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You can't punish a guy for what's said on the ice. If he said it in a post-game interview or something, that's different, but the amount of vile **** that's said on the ice is incredible.

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It makes him look bad, but I don't really know how the NHL could really punish him. It's not like he was in public doing that, he was on the ice, and I guarantee with everything I have he's not the only one who was using homophobic slurs in that game.

Is it Simmonds' fault that they caught him saying it? Because guys have been caught swearing all the time on camera and mic during games.
If 5 people rob a store, yet only one gets caught on camera, do they get let go because the other 4 got away?

Dropping the "F" bomb and using a slur aimed at race/sexual orientation/etc are completely different things. Kobe Bryant had the same thing happen in the NBA, he was caught on camera using the same gay slur and was fined $100,000. From a P.R. stand point, the NHL cannot afford to let Simmonds off without a fine because the precedent has been set by other leagues that this is not something that is acceptable in this day and age.

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You can't punish a guy for what's said on the ice. If he said it in a post-game interview or something, that's different, but the amount of vile **** that's said on the ice is incredible.
Kobe Bryant's situation took place on the court...it doesn't matter where you are, using a slur directed at someone's race/sexual orientation/etc is indefensible and should be punished accordingly.

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09-26-2011, 11:22 PM
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Kobe Bryant's situation took place on the court...it doesn't matter where you are, using a slur directed at someone's race/sexual orientation/etc is indefensible and should be punished accordingly.
It's not the same. He said that to a ref.

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It's not the same. He said that to a ref.
It makes no difference who he said it to, for all the words/names that are hurled at refs on a nightly basis, why did he get punished so harshly for THAT word? It's pretty simple..you don't use slurs, period. However, if you do, and you get caught on camera doing so, then it becomes necessary for the league to step up and take action to show that they are not compliant with such behavior.

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I guess we'll see, I just don't know if you can really punish a guy for that especially when he said it, he wasn't in public (relatively speaking), and he wasn't mic'd up or on camera to his knowledge.

All it really does is make him look bad.

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I guess we'll see, I just don't know if you can really punish a guy for that especially when he said it, he wasn't in public (relatively speaking), and he wasn't mic'd up or on camera to his knowledge.

All it really does is make him look bad.
McKenzie tweeted that in the past they have gone to the officials to see if they heard it. In the video, a linesman skates up to Simmonds literally right after he made the comment in question, so if that is still the standard I imagine Simmonds will be getting a phone call.

It all goes back to being aware of what you are saying/tweeting/posting to facebook/whatever...in this era, nothing is private or "off limits" when you are an athlete. The camera is everywhere and if you get caught doing something stupid, you will pay

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09-27-2011, 12:10 AM
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It could be a bit of a slippery slope given that he directed it to someone who very publicly came out with vocal support for legalization for gay marriage in New York earlier this year. Simmonds would doubtless claim he said it in the heat of the moment, but some might draw a connection.

In any case, probably shouldn't delve too deeply into that rabbit hole, lest we cross over into Politics.

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It makes no difference who he said it to, for all the words/names that are hurled at refs on a nightly basis, why did he get punished so harshly for THAT word? It's pretty simple..you don't use slurs, period. However, if you do, and you get caught on camera doing so, then it becomes necessary for the league to step up and take action to show that they are not compliant with such behavior.
Who knows? Maybe because a particular person heard it, took offense to it, and filed some kind of complaint. I very seriously doubt that is the first or last time somebody has called someone else a "***"on the court.

Besides...I honestly don't see the big deal in calling somebody some kind of slur on the ice/court/field. These guys do not mean what they say...they are just trying to get other players off their game by pissing them off. That's not really racist; it's just gamesmanship. Admittedly, not in it's prettiest form, but it lacks the kind of malice that makes those words so hurtful. To an extent, people like Avery (or Simmonds, I suppose) are just characters...what they do on the ice to earn their paycheck is not necessarily consistent with their personal beliefs or what they'd do away from the game.

Doing the same thing to a ref is not the same thing, and throwing a banana on the ice during Simmonds' shootout attempt is not the same thing.

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Who knows? Maybe because a particular person heard it, took offense to it, and filed some kind of complaint. I very seriously doubt that is the first or last time somebody has called someone else a "***"on the court.

Besides...I honestly don't see the big deal in calling somebody some kind of slur on the ice/court/field. These guys do not mean what they say...they are just trying to get other players off their game by pissing them off. That's not really racist; it's just gamesmanship. Admittedly, not in it's prettiest form, but it lacks the kind of malice that makes those words so hurtful. To an extent, people like Avery (or Simmonds, I suppose) are just characters...what they do on the ice to earn their paycheck is not necessarily consistent with their personal beliefs or what they'd do away from the game.

Doing the same thing to a ref is not the same thing, and throwing a banana on the ice during Simmonds' shootout attempt is not the same thing.
Uhh what? So as long as you are doing "your job" you can say whatever you want to get someone "off their game"? I get that smack talking is a big part of sports, especially hockey. I played hockey all my life and have heard it all. The unfortunate part of this is, what if Avery, or anyone else for that matter called Simmonds a derogatory word based on his race? Everyone would be rightfully up in arms. However, somehow that does not apply to sexual orientation (even though Avery is not gay, what if he was?).

Let's get another example outside of sports. In the political realm, candidates often say things that are partially true or sometimes flat out wrong just to throw the other candidate off their game (so to speak). We all know they often don't really mean what they say. It's all rhetoric. But if they said something offensive, don't we hold them accountable? Aren't we all accountable for what we say (regardless of our true intentions)?

It shouldn't be any different in sports.

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what do you guys think? dan rosen picks MAF for vezina..

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If he played how he did last year after he had a terrible first month or two, he should at least be nearing the discussion.

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