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08-19-2004, 10:58 AM
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Im stuck inside my house because of being sick, and I was bored so for the hell of it I ranked all our prospects. Care to comment?

1. Fedor Tyutin
2. Al Montoya
3. Hugh Jessiman
4. Lauri Korpikoski
5. Henrik Lundqvist
6. Jozef Balej
7. Maxim Kondratiev
8. Tomas Pock
9. Petr Prucha
10. Jarkko Immonen
11. Garth Murray
12. Ivan Baranka
13. Bruce Graham
14. Dwight Helminen
15. Nigel Dawes
16. Jan Marek
16. David Liffiton
17. Bryce Lampman
18. Darin Olver
20. Dominic Moore

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08-19-2004, 11:19 AM
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Immonen should be higher, and Korpikoski should be lower.

Immonen is a top star in his league #1 center on his team. One of the best face-off guys in Finland. Has the potential to be a #1 center in the NHL, the worst he could be would be a #2.

Korpikoski hasn't even played in the same leauge as Immonen, yet he is #4??

Just becase a prospect is newer, does not make him better!!


And, Dominic Moore should be a lot higher. He has already played in the NHL, something most of these prospects haven't done! I would put him in around 12.

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08-19-2004, 11:26 AM
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Immonen should be higher, and Korpikoski should be lower.

Immonen is a top star in his league #1 center on his team. One of the best face-off guys in Finland. Has the potential to be a #1 center in the NHL, the worst he could be would be a #2.

Korpikoski hasn't even played in the same leauge as Immonen, yet he is #4??

Just becase a prospect is newer, does not make him better!!


And, Dominic Moore should be a lot higher. He has already played in the NHL, something most of these prospects haven't done! I would put him in around 12.

I would agree with putting Immonen between Kondtratiev and Pock. That range was pretty close.

Korpikoski is a very good player I wouldnt move him. Especially since I think this is the same situation. An relative unkown ranked extremely high on the Rangers charts but he should turn out into a good one.

As for Moore, the kid just doesn't impress me.

Thanks for the comments.

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08-19-2004, 11:59 AM
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Hey, great job!

If it were me, I'd switch Pock and Immonen, and have Moore within the 12-15 range... I agree on Korpikoski, though. Raw, indeed, but he must be really special if Maloney was anticipating taking him 6th if Ladd and Montoya were gone.

But, we have to remember he's yet to pull it together consistently, and a month before the draft he was expected to go mid-second round. Graham is very similar in this respect.

I give youy credit for ranking Marek pretty high. He's an enigma to me... I mean, I know he's small, plays your stereotypical "soft" Euro game. But he's one of the best players in the Extraleague... it'd be a shame if he didn't come to NA.

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Immonen should be higher, and Korpikoski should be lower.

Immonen is a top star in his league #1 center on his team. One of the best face-off guys in Finland. Has the potential to be a #1 center in the NHL, the worst he could be would be a #2.
I totally agree. Immonen will be a star

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08-19-2004, 12:28 PM
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Great list.

The only problem I have with it is that I would put Jake Taylor in Olver's spot and Ken Roche in Jan Marek's spot.

Other than that it looks good.

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Im going with Rodent on Jan Marek, he was saying how great he looked when he say him play. And from what I read, he could be a decent player.

Olver was only a freshmen last year and put up good numbers. So I think he earns that spot.

I havent heard anything on Roche so he must not be impressing people? I havent even read anything on any messageboards about him.

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Im going with Rodent on Jan Marek, he was saying how great he looked when he say him play. And from what I read, he could be a decent player.

Olver was only a freshmen last year and put up good numbers. So I think he earns that spot.

I havent heard anything on Roche so he must not be impressing people? I havent even read anything on any messageboards about him.
Dont just go on what you read on boards.

Read scouting reports, talk to people that have seen him play. He has the goods to be a solid 2nd line center in the NHL.

An Marek is like 24 so I dont consider him a prospect anymore.

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08-19-2004, 12:47 PM
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Dont just go on what you read on boards.

Read scouting reports, talk to people that have seen him play. He has the goods to be a solid 2nd line center in the NHL.

An Marek is like 24 so I dont consider him a prospect anymore.
I read everything, I meant to say "I havent even read of anyone talking about him"...it just came out wrong.

Marek is older but he needs to given a shot. Like Ekman was given.

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I read everything, I meant to say "I havent even read of anyone talking about him"...it just came out wrong.

Marek is older but he needs to given a shot. Like Ekman was given.
I completely agree... but before he's given a shot, he's gotta come to North America. Within the next 2 years, at least.

I think he should come over, play in Hartford for maybe half a season to learn the North American style and then debut with us.

I really wonder if they're trying to bring him over or not... At this point, it'd have to be quick. They should sign him and get him over here for training camp.

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08-19-2004, 02:49 PM
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Im stuck inside my house because of being sick, and I was bored so for the hell of it I ranked all our prospects. Care to comment?

1. Fedor Tyutin
2. Al Montoya
3. Hugh Jessiman
4. Lauri Korpikoski
5. Henrik Lundqvist
6. Jozef Balej
7. Maxim Kondratiev
8. Tomas Pock
9. Petr Prucha
10. Jarkko Immonen
11. Garth Murray
12. Ivan Baranka
13. Bruce Graham
14. Dwight Helminen
15. Nigel Dawes
16. Jan Marek
16. David Liffiton
17. Bryce Lampman
18. Darin Olver
20. Dominic Moore
Wouldnt have Marek in the top 20 and Murray would be aroun 15-16

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Immonen should be higher, and Korpikoski should be lower.

Immonen is a top star in his league #1 center on his team. One of the best face-off guys in Finland. Has the potential to be a #1 center in the NHL, the worst he could be would be a #2.

Korpikoski hasn't even played in the same leauge as Immonen, yet he is #4??

Just becase a prospect is newer, does not make him better!!


And, Dominic Moore should be a lot higher. He has already played in the NHL, something most of these prospects haven't done! I would put him in around 12.
Korpikoski is more talented, younger and more proven and at a higher stage at 17

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08-19-2004, 04:28 PM
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Here's my list

1-Tyutin
2-Jessiman
3-Montoya
4-Korpikoski
5-Balej
6-Lundqvist
7-Kondratiev
8-Pock
9-Baranka
10-Prucha
11-Immonen
12-Dawes
13-Graham
14-Helminen
15-Murray
16-Liffiton
17-Bahensky
18-Olver
19-Wiseman
20-Hollweg

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Here's my list

1-Tyutin
2-Jessiman
3-Montoya
4-Korpikoski
5-Balej
6-Lundqvist
7-Kondratiev
8-Pock
9-Baranka
10-Prucha
11-Immonen
12-Dawes
13-Graham
14-Helminen
15-Murray
16-Liffiton
17-Bahensky
18-Olver
19-Wiseman
20-Hollweg

There is no way Wiseman or Hollweg should be in the top-20.

Helminen is a little high, there is no Taylor or Moore(Dom) and Roche should be there.

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08-19-2004, 04:45 PM
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I feel compelled to take a whack at this, I love lists.

1. Tyutin
2. Montoya
3. Jessiman
4. Balej
5. Korpikoski
6. Lundqvist
7. Immonen
8. Kondratiev
9. Prucha
10. Pock
11. D. Moore
12. Baranka
13. Murray
14. Graham
15. Helminen
16. Liffiton
17. Olver - I've converted.
18. Lampman
19. Bahensky
20. Giroux

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08-19-2004, 04:47 PM
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I feel compelled to take a whack at this, I love lists.

1. Tyutin
2. Montoya
3. Jessiman
4. Balej
5. Korpikoski
6. Lundqvist
7. Immonen
8. Kondratiev
9. Prucha
10. Pock
11. D. Moore
12. Baranka
13. Murray
14. Graham
15. Helminen
16. Liffiton
17. Olver - I've converted.
18. Lampman
19. Bahensky
20. Giroux
Moore ahead of Graham? Ewww.

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Moore ahead of Graham? Ewww.
Why is that? Moore has already played in the NHL and figures to next season. He is more than capable of being a 10 goal-20 assist foward who can be used on the PK.

All Grahame has is potential.

But he is a newer name....

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10 goal 20 assists! Whopeeeee. I could get that. Graham was a potential first rd pick. He slipped because drafts can sometimes be unpridictable. I think Graham's upside is a tad more than upside than a 30 point 6'6 dufus.

But he has a newer name....

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10 goal 20 assists! Whopeeeee. I could get that. Graham was a potential first rd pick. He slipped because drafts can sometimes be unpridictable. I think Graham's upside is a tad more than upside than a 30 point 6'6 dufus.

But he has a newer name....
Have you ever seen either of them play? I agree, Graham DOES have potential but that's it. His skating is atrocious at this point, making him look like the "6'6" dufus."

Graham is extremely raw, and was a late second round pick in a downright poor draft. And Moore's max potential, IMO, is more like 45-50 points.

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Have you ever seen either of them play? I agree, Graham DOES have potential but that's it. His skating is atrocious at this point, making him look like the "6'6" dufus."

Graham is extremely raw, and was a late second round pick in a downright poor draft. And Moore's max potential, IMO, is more like 45-50 points.
Exactly. Some people still have a hard on from all of the powder puff scouting reports before the draft on some of these guys.

Right now, Moore is the better prospect.

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Have you ever seen either of them play? I agree, Graham DOES have potential but that's it. His skating is atrocious at this point, making him look like the "6'6" dufus."

Graham is extremely raw, and was a late second round pick in a downright poor draft. And Moore's max potential, IMO, is more like 45-50 points.
Yes ive seen him play, thats why I called him a tall dufus, because his skating needs to iimprove. Ive seen Moore play when hes played in NY.. Skating is an easy part to fix, he might never be the best skater but he can easily improve it.

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10 goal 20 assists! Whopeeeee. I could get that.

Put your money where you mouth is. Dale Purinton would make you look silly, so please stop with the "i could get that" statement.

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Yes ive seen him play, thats why I called him a tall dufus, because his skating needs to iimprove. Ive seen Moore play when hes played in NY.. Skating is an easy part to fix, he might never be the best skater but he can easily improve it.
Youve seen him play? When? How? Where?

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"Put your money where you mouth is."

LOL, whaaaaaat? OK fine. Now what? LOL

Obviously I was exaggertating but 30 points is a poor , poor number for a guy who isnt even a defensive specialist. Ronal Petrovicky must have had more than that last season.

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I see. And if you're judging prospects on potential alone (which I don't think is a bad idea), Graham would be ahead of Moore. I was making decisions based on the conventional methods, where "safety," developmental maturity, etc. are also factors. Otherwise I wouldn't have Murray on that list.

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