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09-21-2011, 03:06 PM
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I'm not a big believer in Turris, and he's pretty close to bust territory IMO, but he still does have plenty of upside, and given that the Leafs biggest weakness is topline talent and their biggest strength is depth, it might behoove us to make these kinds of depth-for-upside deals, even if Turris is turning into more of a longshot now.
I think he is worth a look Zeke. Giving him a one or two year deal, maybe 2.5 year one and 3 year 2 and see how he performs. We just don't have any young players down the middle with pedigree that are NHL ready. I like Bozak but he is replaceable. If it doesn't work out, you can always say it didn't cost you a thing other than a college free agent. Bozak might actually do well in Phoenix in their system.

Can Bozak be our Peter Zezel? An Andy McDonald? Boland? I just don't see that from him.

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09-21-2011, 03:08 PM
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Why is Turris so damn overrated?
Becuase he had a good year in Junior A, was ranked top North American Skater, and taken 3rd overall. Phoneix should have 'steered' him to Major Junior instead of staying in the BCHL and taking the college route. But then again when was the last time Phoenix actually developed someone well. They all but ruined Mikael Boedker as well.

I'm not sure I would want to give up much for Turris right now. I think he needs a little more AHL seasoning before playing in the NHL.

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Acquiring Turris will be an Alex Anthopoulos type move; acquiring a young, talented player who is in an uncomfortable situation with his existing team.

He'll be a good investment. He's still very young.

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09-21-2011, 03:11 PM
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I wouldn't necessarily want to trade Bozak just because he's gonna be relied on for the 3rd line centre business and he's really our only consistent 50+% faceoff man.
Lombardi who?

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I wouldn't give up an asset like Kadri to get Turris...but I won't complain about investing a few million dollars from the teacher's pension fund towards him...could be a steal.

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09-21-2011, 03:17 PM
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Turris had a 2.30 even strength points per 60 minutes played last year.

That was the best on the entire Yotes team. He just didn't play a ton of minutes and got like no PP time but when he did play he produced.

To put things in perspective Phil Kessel's ESP/60 was 1.83

Turris would instantly become the Leafs best center.. yes better than Grabo.

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The most interesting thing about this story is that if it is accurate which it very well could be more speculation than anything, our 3rd line center position looks like this;

Plan A: Matt Lombardi (if healthy)
Plan B: Joe Colborne (if ready for the NHL)
Plan C: Trade Bozak for Turris

I guess the deck is pretty stacked against 42.

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09-21-2011, 03:21 PM
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Trading for Turris would be like taking a page out of Alex Anthopoulos' book.
Agreed.

Turris also lead the Yotes in playoff even strength points per 60 with 2.23.

Teams are going to regret not taking a chance on this player. He was a beast in the playoffs.

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09-21-2011, 03:24 PM
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Where did these 'talks' go, is what I wanna know.

Burke puts an emphasis on character... Demanding money you haven't even come close to earning is something I'd be concerned with..
Burke says whatever that will help him or make him look good at any given time.

I doubt he would let Turris slip through his fingers. Turris would be the first legit 1st line center option since 13 left and he doesn't have to wait around 2-3 years for him to develop in juniors.. he is ready now.

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Lombardi who?
Post concussion what?

Relying on him would be a mistake, if he comes in and plays well it's a bonus.

Post concussion syndrome is a crap shoot. Even if/when he returns, what's the guarantee he'll return to form.


If Turris is cheap, I'm game... Only because a number on centre is the teams big need... Chances are, he won't be on, but he certainly has the potential... Having him and Kadri push eachother could only be a good thing.

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Post concussion what?

Relying on him would be a mistake, if he comes in and plays well it's a bonus.

Post concussion syndrome is a crap shoot. Even if/when he returns, what's the guarantee he'll return to form.
Maybe we can trade Bozak for Crosby then, since the Pens can't rely on him. If he comes in and plays well it's a bonus.

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Turris had a 2.30 even strength points per 60 minutes played last year.

That was the best on the entire Yotes team. He just didn't play a ton of minutes and got like no PP time but when he did play he produced.

To put things in perspective Phil Kessel's ESP/60 was 1.83

Turris would instantly become the Leafs best center.. yes better than Grabo.
I'm sure that Turris' minutes were sheltered minutes and he needs more than your mathematics to prove that he is better than Grabovski.

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Turris would instantly become the Leafs best center.. yes better than Grabo.
that PP60 number would take a plunge when you become a checking assignment for somebody good. Not saying the kid is no good or anything, just saying there is a lot more to that stat translating forward to 1st line numbers than just ice time.

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Post concussion what?

Relying on him would be a mistake, if he comes in and plays well it's a bonus.

Post concussion syndrome is a crap shoot. Even if/when he returns, what's the guarantee he'll return to form.


If Turris is cheap, I'm game... Only because a number on centre is the teams big need... Chances are, he won't be on, but he certainly has the potential... Having him and Kadri push eachother could only be a good thing.
I agree completely.

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Maybe we can trade Bozak for Crosby then, since the Pens can't rely on him. If he comes in and plays well it's a bonus.
Come on now. Lets be realistic.

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09-21-2011, 03:28 PM
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I'm guessing that Turris goes to Ottawa or Edmonton, i.e. a team with little depth where he can get more minutes.
I would love him in Edmonton but we already have plenty of players with high potential playing in profile positions.

I'd expect Turris to go to a team without many impact prospects... i.e. Toronto.

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Bozak and a 3rd for Turris. Frees up $1.5 million so we can sign Turris for $2.5-3 million.

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I'm sure that Turris' minutes were sheltered minutes and he needs more than your mathematics to prove that he is better than Grabovski.
He is not better than Grabovsky by any stretch but wouldn't you take the chance? I would be curious what he could do out of Phx.

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This seems like an Eklund type conclusion.

If a player of Turris' potential is available, every team in the league would inquire.
Burke likes taking dumps.

Komi
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Turris
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I for one would be thrilled if we landed Turris. A big right handed centre with a high ceiling? Exactly what we need...

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I would love him in Edmonton but we already have plenty of players with high potential playing in profile positions.

I'd expect Turris to go to a team without many impact prospects... i.e. Toronto.
sigh... have you looked at our prospect pool lately? It's the strongest it's been in like a decade.

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Come on now. Lets be realistic.
But he has a concussion! Who's to say Crosby will even come back? What if he doesn't return to form? He's clearly done.

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Turris had a 2.30 even strength points per 60 minutes played last year.

That was the best on the entire Yotes team. He just didn't play a ton of minutes and got like no PP time but when he did play he produced.

To put things in perspective Phil Kessel's ESP/60 was 1.83

Turris would instantly become the Leafs best center.. yes better than Grabo.
Thats what happens when you only play 14 minutes a night and they are pure offensive minutes. He isn't close to being better than Grabo, they aren't even in the same league. Sure, he has potential but one four game stretch doesn't make up for lousy season after lousy season.

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09-21-2011, 03:35 PM
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that PP60 number would take a plunge when you become a checking assignment for somebody good. Not saying the kid is no good or anything, just saying there is a lot more to that stat translating forward to 1st line numbers than just ice time.
Yeah, I agree you can't just extrapolate but the point is that Turris produced when he was given the opportunity.

On the flip side, I'm sure a top 6 opportunity with good players would really help Turris' confidence which in turn could help yielding some nice results.

Forgetting the points altogether Turris looked just fantastic in the playoffs. The kid is going to breakout this year and many clubs and fans are going to be kicking themselves over a lost opportunity.

As an Oilers fan I would give up Sam Gagner for Turris straight up. You guys can wait all you want for Turris to "prove himself" but by that time it will be too late because his value will have skyrocketed.

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sigh... have you looked at our prospect pool lately? It's the strongest it's been in like a decade.
Strong depth-wise. He said impact prospects, which we have zero of.
(Kadri isn't a prospect imo)
And actually.. Neither is Turris.

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sigh... have you looked at our prospect pool lately? It's the strongest it's been in like a decade.
Name one center prospect will a higher upside than Turris?

Toronto's prospect depth is a mile wide but only an inch deep. 1st line centers are almost impossible to get via trade or free agency.. you need to take a chance and Turris has more than enough pot odds to call an all-in bet.

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I would love him in Edmonton but we already have plenty of players with high potential playing in profile positions.

I'd expect Turris to go to a team without many impact prospects... i.e. Toronto.
Whatever, Turris if he came to Toronto would need to start on the 4th line at best and prove that he is an impact prospect which is something that it appears that he isn't keen on.

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