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08-19-2004, 10:16 AM
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Bettman is smiling

Anybody catch the latest THN? Interesting stuff, a national survey in Canada revealed the following:

1. Over 50% of those responding felt the players had to be more flexible, only 21% felt it should be ownership. (The rest presumably felt both should be equally flexible.)

2. Over 80% of those who responded said they would continue to follow the NHL to the same degree they always had, even if a half-season or more were lost. (The caveat is that the result of the work stoppage must yield a more equal financial playing field. Still, this is pretty close to a blank check for Bettman to close the league without fear of fan backlash.)

3. 72% strongly or somwhat agree that the owners are being honest about the financial situation.

4. 77% strongly or somewhat agree that a hard cap was necessary for league stability.

Looks like the NHL is winning the hearts and minds of Canadian hockey fans. The NHLPA better kick the PR machine into high gear.


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Slanted stats, dedalus...

they polled hockey fans...the problem with hockey is there ain't enough and how you get more...

But those are interesting stats. Personally, I'd never trust an owner. There's so many ways to manipulate and hide numbers/stuff expenses into these things it ain't even funny.

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Our fellow hockey fans from north of the border want the NHL to put teams back in Winnipeg and Quebec plus add another team in Hamilton.They want the players to go back to 1980's level salaries when Alan Eagleson ripped off the players

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those poll results showing how much fans support the owners just shows how uninformed many fans are and how they just buy all the bs pr crap the league gives to them...the nhlpa hasn't bothered to make it a pr dispute but apparantly bettman is more concerned with fan approval then getting a deal done...

and the players have been far more flexible then the owners, the only thing the players aren't flexible on is they won't accept a hard cap, but a soft cap could be discussed...

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The results are great and all, but the NHL is an American league. Hockey is a major sport in Canada and some of the NHL's best fans reside there, no doubt, but most of the teams and the TV networks are in the US.

The problem isn't hockey's popularity in Canada. So having a poll that says Canadian fans will still care about the NHL after a strike is useless. The problem has been that there's not enough money or fans within the US, and that's hurting the NHL. A strike would only increase this problem and hurt the NHL even more.

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Our fellow hockey fans from north of the border want the NHL to put teams back in Winnipeg and Quebec plus add another team in Hamilton.They want the players to go back to 1980's level salaries when Alan Eagleson ripped off the players
too bad its all a dream. I would also love to see the amount of scoring that was in the 80s and to see Gretzky in his prime. However again its all a dream.

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Nyr469...

RangerBoy makes a good point...it would be interesting to see a poll that also showed demographics. I think some fans knee-jerk react to a hard cap because it means the Rangers (in particular), among others, cannot spend whatever they want to spend and take/keep those great players from the smaller market teams. I'm sure fans in Edmonton, Calgary, and maybe even Vancouver and Montreal would favor such a cap since it could work to their advantage (meaning the Flyers', Dallas', Detroit's, and St. Louis' disadvantage).

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Our fellow hockey fans from north of the border want the NHL to put teams back in Winnipeg and Quebec plus add another team in Hamilton.They want the players to go back to 1980's level salaries when Alan Eagleson ripped off the players
That isn't totally accurate. I personally have been the most vocal about Winnipeg not getting a team(Considering they were only above league average twice in their existance in attendance.)

What the fans north of the border want is the ability to draft, develop and keep players without them being allured by large contracts to large market teams.

What the fans north of the border want is to be able to compete LONG TERM, with teams that have large populouses to draw their fan bases from and the large revenues that go with them.

There should be the "Green Bay Packers" in the NHL along with the "Dallas Cowboys." And the Green Bays should have as much chance at the Stanley Cup as the Dallas'.

For a comparative study, there isn't anything particularly wrong with the Edmonton Oilers franchise, other than the fact that every player that had the intent to make $4 million a year or more is no longer there. Having a top line of Doug Weight, Bill Guerin and Ryan Smyth would have done just fine over the last couple years. Geez, that might have taken the Oilers to the 2nd round.

Anyways, I don't agree with the hard cap because it is too restrictive. If it was a scaled luxury tax of some sort with penalty revenues paid back to the smaller market teams then I am sure a system like that could work.

But, don't think that every Canadian is pining for the lost teams of cities that weren't either smart enough, or passionate enough to keep their franchise. That part isn't true.

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What we don't want is teams paying out 9 million a year for third line centers, elite or not, while driving up the rest of the players asking price, becuase: "Holik got that much."



Finally it seems the owners have smartened up, and new CBA or not things will be different. Even notice how arbitration this year everyone's awards were much smaller? Nils Ekman with 50-60 points would have recieved 2-4 million in any year but this one. How does JS Giguere get 4 million a season while Kiprusoff is stuck with less than 3. It's been a joke ever since 95 and now whether the players like it or not the owners are fixing the problems they created for themselves and rightfully so.

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Finally it seems the owners have smartened up, and new CBA or not things will be different .... It's been a joke ever since 95 and now whether the players like it or not the owners are fixing the problems they created for themselves and rightfully so.
I would argue that the only reason owners are acting sensibly now is that they are unsure of the terms of the new CBA. If that threat was not hanging over them, they would not be acting in a fiscally responsible manner. It's only the possibility of a hard cap that's keeping them in line, and if the terms of the current CBA were simply renewed today, the bidding wars would start tomorrow over players like Demitra. Within a week you would have yourself another Holik or Martin Lapointe.

Don't kid yourself. Owners aren't any smarter; they're simply frightened. If the new CBA doesn't restrict them, they will return to their old ways and tne NHLPA will rejoice.

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