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10-12-2011, 01:39 PM
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not much we can do but hope at this point...

but I'd be shocked if the team gave Markov the contract they did if the current set-backs were on the radar this summer.

you'd have to think that at the time they re-signed him, they had strong evidence that his recovery was on schedule, that he started skating and now has had to stop completely and is returning to Florida for further consultations is not a good sign.

for all of our scientific advancements, when it comes to how a body heals and responds to stress is still very much a guessing game.

hopefully they don't find any major problems, but it is not out of the question that they find something serious enough to have to go back in... not unlike what we just saw with Peyton Manning... if so, Markov could feasibly be out for a much longer period of time.

cross your fingers!
Swelling in the knee is common for players coming off ACL surgery...in fact, Tom Brady a few years ago when he tore his ACL and MCL, went through several complications during his rehab, including his repaired knee sustaining an infection. http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHe...icHealth/11458

Swelling in the knee, which is what was reported to have happened with Markov last month, is common and almost a guarantee when you have someone whose been through 2 knee surgeries within 18 months. It's probably something he's going to have to deal with his entire career...he may come back to full strength in 1 month from now, and next year, he'll have to miss 4-6 weeks because of more swelling.

I find it hard to believe that with doctors on the payroll, they didn't envision a scenario where Markov could get swelling in his knee...

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10-12-2011, 01:42 PM
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As per a BLOGGER online at: http://bigthabs.blogspot.com/2011/10...date.html#more

And Arpon Basu on TSN 990 radio about an hour ago, Andrei Markov is off to Florida and was waiting at the airport today, possibly to get medical clearance or a more serious problem with his knee.

The picture is in the link above, proof that he was at the airport and waiting to leave to Miami.
If we are to believe Martin and Gauthier in their comments that Markov is "on schedule" then we can hope this visit is to give Mr. Markov medical clearance to resume skating with his teammates.

to the blogger who is speculating on Andrei having his right knee elevated on his luggage. I do that all the time at the airport.
If it was his left leg elevated, maybe the media would be speculating that he is going to see Dr. Andrews to have his left knee operated on!

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Swelling in the knee is common for players coming off ACL surgery...in fact, Tom Brady a few years ago when he tore his ACL and MCL, went through several complications during his rehab, including his repaired knee sustaining an infection. http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHe...icHealth/11458

Swelling in the knee, which is what was reported to have happened with Markov last month, is common and almost a guarantee when you have someone whose been through 2 knee surgeries within 18 months. It's probably something he's going to have to deal with his entire career...he may come back to full strength in 1 month from now, and next year, he'll have to miss 4-6 weeks because of more swelling.

I find it hard to believe that with doctors on the payroll, they didn't envision a scenario where Markov could get swelling in his knee...
Agreed..... to add to that.... Malkin sat out last night with swelling in his knee. I wonder if the Penguins are panicking.

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I find it hard to believe that with doctors on the payroll, they didn't envision a scenario where Markov could get swelling in his knee...
Why are you assuming they didn't? I'm sure they figured some down time was definitely a possibility, but thought he'd miss a couple weeks at a time, if any time at all. Markov for about 225 out of 246 games over 3 years? Who knows what they thought, but he's still worth signing in my books.

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Agreed..... to add to that.... Malkin sat out last night with swelling in his knee. I wonder if the Penguins are panicking.
Good thing Malkin's contract isn't up at the end of the year. Pittsburgh would clearly have to let him walk away as a free agent. Because there might be swelling.

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He's missed 2 games out of the 246 + playoffs that he re-signed for. You're right, close the books on this one. It's a total loss.
Basically every publication and commentator mentioned that his signing was a risk.

Not sure why only people here disagree.

And I'm not saying I wouldn't have done it also, but you have to admit its a risk considering his past injuries.

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Basically every publication and commentator mentioned that his signing was a risk.

Not sure why only people here disagree.

And I'm not saying I wouldn't have done it also, but you have to admit its a risk considering his past injuries.
I think everyone agrees it is/was a risk (most signings, trades, etc, are risks)...where I disagree is that I think it was a risk well worth taking.

You don't just walk away from your best player like that...

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The "stopped skating" thing is just a guess. The orginal report on his setback had him not skating for 2 weeks early September but once camp started he was skating on his own with Eller and other injured guys. No reason to think that he stopped skating.

The reporters who were with the team in Collingwood before the season started mentionned that he didnt hit the ice once while the team was there

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So markov went to florida, does this mean he'll only be ready for our game against tampa on dec 28th?

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If I'm not mistaken, Cammalleri specifically asked Martin to put him on the PK.
Who cares? If there are better options, he shouldn't be out there, he's pretty brutal defensively.

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don't know if this belongs here but MichaŽl Bournival fell at practice and is out for at least a month

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/sports/no...12-153929.html

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I think everyone agrees it is/was a risk (most signings, trades, etc, are risks)...where I disagree is that I think it was a risk well worth taking.

You don't just walk away from your best player like that...
I never said that either...

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If I'm not mistaken, Cammalleri specifically asked Martin to put him on the PK.
Its hard for a player like Cammy who is used to regular ice time to sit for 4 or 5 minutes straight if the team takes a couple of penalties back to back.

Having him as part of the PK units helps him stay in the game.

And while I don't like his defence 5 on 5.... playing PK and playing 5 on 5 are different things for the forwards, and he actually does a decent job on the PK.

For everyone complaining about our penalty killing, it was good last year, and is perfect so far this year.

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Would Anton Stralman be an option? I know he has visa issues, not sure if New Jersey is trying to sign him...

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Who cares? If there are better options, he shouldn't be out there, he's pretty brutal defensively.
I'm just saying, it's not like Martin had a fever dream about Cammy on the PK and decided to throw him out there.

I don't see it as a big problem, anyway.

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don't know if this belongs here but MichaŽl Bournival fell at practice and is out for at least a month

http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/sports/no...12-153929.html
Geez Benoit Pouliot v2

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Swelling in the knee is common for players coming off ACL surgery...in fact, Tom Brady a few years ago when he tore his ACL and MCL, went through several complications during his rehab, including his repaired knee sustaining an infection. http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHe...icHealth/11458

Swelling in the knee, which is what was reported to have happened with Markov last month, is common and almost a guarantee when you have someone whose been through 2 knee surgeries within 18 months. It's probably something he's going to have to deal with his entire career...he may come back to full strength in 1 month from now, and next year, he'll have to miss 4-6 weeks because of more swelling.

I find it hard to believe that with doctors on the payroll, they didn't envision a scenario where Markov could get swelling in his knee...
i hope you're right...

but the Brady example you used isn't quite fitting, he had the injury, the surgery, the staph infection (which has nothing to do with the injury itself, just a risk of going under the knife for anyone), and yet still returned to action a year later and hasn't missed a game in 3 years since...

There is a big difference between occasional swelling that might require an additional few days of rest from playing in NHL caliber games vs being forced to stop all skating even without contact/equipment.

people are using Malkin as an example, but is Malkin off of skating all together and flying out to meet with his surgeon?

none of us can know for sure the extent of Markov's setback, but i think it's dubious to equate it to a simple case of swelling in the joint... there would be no need to take 2 weeks off of skating and be forced to make return visits to the specialist if this was the only issue, habs local medical staff would/should be more than qualified to deal with that.

it may have started with swelling, but if it's not going down 2 weeks after being off of his skates, something more problematic is likely at fault.

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As per a BLOGGER online at: http://bigthabs.blogspot.com/2011/10...date.html#more

And Arpon Basu on TSN 990 radio about an hour ago, Andrei Markov is off to Florida and was waiting at the airport today, possibly to get medical clearance or a more serious problem with his knee.

The picture is in the link above, proof that he was at the airport and waiting to leave to Miami.
Someone took a picture of him in the airport and wrote a blog about it instantly? This city is nuts

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i hope you're right...

but the Brady example you used isn't quite fitting, he had the injury, the surgery, the staph infection (which has nothing to do with the injury itself, just a risk of going under the knife for anyone), and yet still returned to action a year later and hasn't missed a game in 3 years since...

There is a big difference between occasional swelling that might require an additional few days of rest from playing in NHL caliber games vs being forced to stop all skating even without contact/equipment.

people are using Malkin as an example, but is Malkin off of skating all together and flying out to meet with his surgeon?

none of us can know for sure the extent of Markov's setback, but i think it's dubious to equate it to a simple case of swelling in the joint... there would be no need to take 2 weeks off of skating and be forced to make return visits to the specialist if this was the only issue, habs local medical staff would/should be more than qualified to deal with that.

it may have started with swelling, but if it's not going down 2 weeks after being off of his skates, something more problematic is likely at fault.
Let's not over-react until we hear the results from Dr. Andrews, Mr. Markov, or Mr. Gauthier/Martin themselves.

For all we know, this could be to receive clearance to skate with his teammates. We don't know.

When I am telling you to calm down, you need to calm down!

Keep the faith my man.


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Let's not over-react until we hear the results from Dr. Andrews, Mr. Markov, or Mr. Gauthier/Martin themselves.

For all we know, this could be to receive clearance to skate with his teammates. We don't know.

When I am telling you to calm down, you need to calm down!

Keep the faith my man.

Keep Calm Carry on.... words to live by

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Would Anton Stralman be an option? I know he has visa issues, not sure if New Jersey is trying to sign him...
Another small, Right handed, offense first, weak in his own zone, defenceman?

Sounds like a redundant piece. I don't see where he's any different from Weber and Diaz.

Note that in Campoli, Spacek, and Markov, all of our injuries are to Dmen who play the left side.

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i hope you're right...

but the Brady example you used isn't quite fitting, he had the injury, the surgery, the staph infection (which has nothing to do with the injury itself, just a risk of going under the knife for anyone), and yet still returned to action a year later and hasn't missed a game in 3 years since...

There is a big difference between occasional swelling that might require an additional few days of rest from playing in NHL caliber games vs being forced to stop all skating even without contact/equipment.

people are using Malkin as an example, but is Malkin off of skating all together and flying out to meet with his surgeon?

none of us can know for sure the extent of Markov's setback, but i think it's dubious to equate it to a simple case of swelling in the joint... there would be no need to take 2 weeks off of skating and be forced to make return visits to the specialist if this was the only issue, habs local medical staff would/should be more than qualified to deal with that.

it may have started with swelling, but if it's not going down 2 weeks after being off of his skates, something more problematic is likely at fault.
Lets remember that

1) Brady was off the field for almost a full year.... a full year for markov is late november.

2) Malkin and Brady had surgery in their knee for the first time. Markov had two surgeries on the same knee in less than 8 months. No surprise he's taking a little longer.

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Bad news guys, I just got a text from Dr. Recchi. Markov will be out for the remainder of the regular season

Also an e5 Leafs looking for a #1C

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As per a BLOGGER online at: http://bigthabs.blogspot.com/2011/10...date.html#more

And Arpon Basu on TSN 990 radio about an hour ago, Andrei Markov is off to Florida and was waiting at the airport today, possibly to get medical clearance or a more serious problem with his knee.

The picture is in the link above, proof that he was at the airport and waiting to leave to Miami.
I don't see any crutches in the picture, so that could possibly be a good sign. As for him elevating his knee like that, I don't see how you can speculate anything about that... I do it all the time, many people do.

Maybe I require surgery

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Also an e5 Leafs looking for a #1C
Gomez to the Leafs?

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No. RT @raburns: @habsinsideout1 Do you think we'll see #Habs Markov back anytime soon?

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it may have started with swelling, but if it's not going down 2 weeks after being off of his skates, something more problematic is likely at fault.
Maybe management is taking the same approach to Markov's injury as the Pens have with Crosby's.
They are not risking anything. Maybe the swelling did not go away and so, he is going to see the Doc. Maybe this was a scheduled visit already planned months ago.
When you can speculate a million things, it might be best not to speculate.

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Bad news guys, I just got a text from Dr. Recchi. Markov will be out for the remainder of the regular season

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Take Gomez remove one number from his jersey and they have a #1 center.

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