We were missing our top line plus our better depth players, we were also missing our #1 defensmen. It was probably our B team or B-. It doesn't matter, the rangers crushed us even strength.
The team the Devils iced on Wednesday night was like...their A- team against our D+ crew.
It's ****ing preseason. Who cares what players are iced, it makes NO difference. The goal is to work on specific areas of the game and eye specific players, in particular.
Larsson has shown:
Awesome stick work
Good skating
A scary shot
Good positioning
Off and on decision making
Guess which one comes with experience? He'll be a solid dman for us this year IF he can look this good in real games.
And Larsson is going to get points no matter how he does offensively. Passing the puck to Kovalchuk for one timers is going to net a lot of assists.
Posts like this make me laugh..
apples > kiwi
brunettes > blonds
toyota > honda
and so on
Try to carry on a legitimate conversation where you rationalize.
Biron posted a .923 sv% last year as Henrik's backup. The same sv% Lundqvist posted. Lets say over the course of a season Biron would post a .915 sv% in rangers system. That equals 15 goals over the season. The difference then turns his GAA to 2.50 with a .915 sv%. That isn't that bad of a switch, most teams would accept those numbers as their starter.
The Devils on the other hand would be missing Zajac and Parise, who in their last season together put up sabremetric numbers that would be in the top 3 lines in the league. If you want I can explain the numbers to you.
Larsson gave me the desire to watch the Devils. Damn..swedish Devils are the best: Larsson, Tedenby and especially Josefson.
The young Swedes are impressive, and DeBoer's system is much more exciting to watch than Lemaire's was. I'm hoping it will be just as successful too.
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Originally Posted by GM17
It's ****ing preseason. Who cares what players are iced, it makes NO difference. The goal is to work on specific areas of the game and eye specific players, in particular.
Exactly. I don't understand the purpose of this pissing match. Both teams didn't ice their A squad in either game, and nobody gets style points for how pretty or ugly the goals were. I'm not sure why Rangers fans are complaining about the Devils "trying too hard" or icing certain players when it's all meaningless anyway.
This thread is about Larsson, and he has been impressive, no matter what level of competition he has been facing.
Try to carry on a legitimate conversation where you rationalize.
Biron posted a .923 sv% last year as Henrik's backup. The same sv% Lundqvist posted. Lets say over the course of a season Biron would post a .915 sv% in rangers system. That equals 15 goals over the season. The difference then turns his GAA to 2.50 with a .915 sv%. That isn't that bad of a switch, most teams would accept those numbers as their starter.
The Devils on the other hand would be missing Zajac and Parise, who in their last season together put up sabremetric numbers that would be in the top 3 lines in the league. If you want I can explain the numbers to you.
Retorts like this make me laugh. Everything you posted as comparison's are opinions. Lundqvist, Staal, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Girardi is ALOT more valuable of a group then Parise, Zajac, Tallinder, Clarkson, and Zubrus. Post a poll if you'd like, it is. It's younger, more well rounded, more skilled, more everything. Sure you can change around the comparison to make it more equal, but I thought listing them in order of importance to their team was pretty fair no?
So you think the Rangers with Biron would be just slightly worse then with Lundqvist? Really dude?
Retorts like this make me laugh. Everything you posted as comparison's are opinions. Lundqvist, Staal, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Girardi is ALOT more valuable of a group then Parise, Zajac, Tallinder, Clarkson, and Zubrus. Post a poll if you'd like, it is. It's younger, more well rounded, more skilled, more everything. Sure you can change around the comparison to make it more equal, but I thought listing them in order of importance to their team was pretty fair no?
So you think the Rangers with Biron would be just slightly worse then with Lundqvist? Really dude?
Cool, but we were discussing the value of a group of 5 players, not 3. Can't just adjust it to give the Devils an advantage.
No, we're discussing Adam Larsson. You're trying to derail that conversation with a pissing match about something as insignificant as strength of pre-season teams.
Cool, but we were discussing the value of a group of 5 players, not 3. Can't just adjust it to give the Devils an advantage.
You still have Zubrus who is an underrated big 2-way vet presence, Clarkson, and Tallinder who is probably our best minute eating defensemen. Although Girardi makes a huge impact and Anisimov is a solid young presence so all things considered it was a fairly even match and even though we lost, how well all the Swedes did, Henrique, how our PP actually liked effective (Larsson showing a translation of his offensive game and potential as a solid PPQB with genius passes and a hard accurate shot was excellent) + Sykora made up for it on my part.
Retorts like this make me laugh. Everything you posted as comparison's are opinions. Lundqvist, Staal, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Girardi is ALOT more valuable of a group then Parise, Zajac, Tallinder, Clarkson, and Zubrus. Post a poll if you'd like, it is. It's younger, more well rounded, more skilled, more everything. Sure you can change around the comparison to make it more equal, but I thought listing them in order of importance to their team was pretty fair no?
So you think the Rangers with Biron would be just slightly worse then with Lundqvist? Really dude?
I am very statistically analytical on top of viewing as much hockey as I can. Goaltenders are overrated. I think Brodeur would be worth maybe 3 more wins then Hedberg over a full season. A center like Zajac, his replacement would cost 4 or 5 wins.
I apologize for coming off as an idiot but what I really want is for you to form an argument why they are better. Hell bring up the fact that Girardi and Staal as a defense pair face the toughest competition out of the whole NHL and their replacements would be destroyed in that situation or that Anisomov is Holik JR....certainly a very good 2nd line center.
You still have Zubrus who is an underrated big 2-way vet presence, Clarkson, and Tallinder who is probably our best minute eating defensemen. Although Girardi makes a huge impact and Anisimov is a solid young presence so all things considered it was a fairly even match and even though we lost, how well all the Swedes did, Henrique, how our PP actually liked effective (Larsson showing a translation of his offensive game and potential as a solid PPQB with genius passes and a hard accurate shot was excellent) + Sykora made up for it on my part.
And this is a totally fair assessment. My original post was in response to the person saying the Devils brought their C team, when in reality, there squad was equal, if not better then the Rangers. We even played our 3rd/4th string goalie half the game.
Henrique was impressive, Larsson was poised, and Kovalchuk looked great, you're not going to find any disagreements from me there dude.
And this is a totally fair assessment. My original post was in response to the person saying the Devils brought their C team, when in reality, there squad was equal, if not better then the Rangers. We even played our 3rd/4th string goalie half the game.
Henrique was impressive, Larsson was poised, and Kovalchuk looked great, you're not going to find any disagreements from me there dude.
our squad definitively was not better than the rangers last night. we had 1 of our top 4 forwards you had 3/4
I am very statistically analytical on top of viewing as much hockey as I can. Goaltenders are overrated. I think Brodeur would be worth maybe 3 more wins then Hedberg over a full season. A center like Zajac, his replacement would cost 4 or 5 wins.
I apologize for coming off as an idiot but what I really want is for you to form an argument why they are better. Hell bring up the fact that Girardi and Staal as a defense pair face the toughest competition out of the whole NHL and their replacements would be destroyed in that situation or that Anisomov is Holik JR....certainly a very good 2nd line center.
I never thought you were an idiot lol.
I have mentioned many arguments. You are very statistically analytical, and I posted why Girardi is better then Tallinder. Clarkson and Zubrus posted 18 and 30 points respectively, they are far inferior to every player in the comparison. You are entitled to your opinion on goaltenders, but I have to disagree. Lundqvist steals every other game for the Rangers. He is the difference between a playoff team and the Yakupov sweepstakes, I firmly stand by that. Anisimov is 2 years younger then Zajac and outscored him. I think head to head, Travis is better right now, but Anisimov outscored him, there's no obvious answers here. Elias outscored Dubinsky, and I said they were equal because I value Dubinsky's physical and defensive game, but you wouldn't be wrong to put him ahead of Dubinsky. I can't really compare Staal to any players because there's only one defenseman in the group. He's a shutdown defenseman that made the all star game, he's the real deal. Him and Girardi together is an even stronger tandem, they have a ton of chemistry.
I have mentioned many arguments. You are very statistically analytical, and I posted why Girardi is better then Tallinder. Clarkson and Zubrus posted 18 and 30 points respectively, they are far inferior to every player in the comparison. You are entitled to your opinion on goaltenders, but I have to disagree. Lundqvist steals every other game for the Rangers. He is the difference between a playoff team and the Yakupov sweepstakes, I firmly stand by that. Anisimov is 2 years younger then Zajac and outscored him. I think head to head, Travis is better right now, but Anisimov outscored him, there's no obvious answers here. Elias outscored Dubinsky, and I said they were equal because I value Dubinsky's physical and defensive game, but you wouldn't be wrong to put him ahead of Dubinsky. I can't really compare Staal to any players because there's only one defenseman in the group. He's a shutdown defenseman that made the all star game, he's the real deal. Him and Girardi together is an even stronger tandem, they have a ton of chemistry.
Do these count as arguments?
They are arguments but not ones I feel like debating. By statistical I mean sabremetrics. Points are fine and dandy but there are other stats which better represent players.
I will give you an example of Zajac's season in 2009-10.
-His quality of competition was among the top 25 for centers. Usually 3rd line centers face this competition, not 1st liners.
-His CORSION was only behind Patrice Bergeron that season. What this means is he faced top competition and clearly kept the puck away from them and out shot them by a wide margin.
-His Goals ON +- was at 1.48, the 5th highest total in the NHL out of centers. Only Backstrom Morrison, Malholtra and Sedin were ahead of him.
- His ONOFF+- was 1.70, I believe when I checked this it was 4th best among centers in the NHL. That means the difference when he is on and off the ice is remarkable.
Statistically he was a top 5 center in terms of dominance and situational strength. A lot of that has to do with playing with Parise but as a tandem they make NJ have one of the top 5 allround top lines....based on stats.
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They are arguments but not ones I feel like debating. By statistical I mean sabremetrics. Points are fine and dandy but there are other stats which better represent players.
Edit: You gave an example.
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Bottom line: the Devils got ridiculously lucky to have sucked last year, won the lottery, and somehow have Larsson fall to them. The rest of the league, especially us Ranger fans, will be *****ing about this for the next decade+ because the kid is going to be a great player. Bums me out, period.
