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10-31-2011, 09:37 PM
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We need a faster counter attack. We are just a mess in transition, and it reflects in the amount of dump and chasing we do.

That said, teams are dumb if they don't forecheck hard against us. Composure under the top pairing is a bit shaky. I would really like to see them go after another reliable puck mover later in the season. I like Coliaccovo well enough but he (my opinion) is a waste on the top pairing. I know Pietrangelo can pinch, but with his composure, I'd like to see someone more offensive with him. Except for not being particularly physical, I see no holes when he plays on the d side of the puck.

Some may think I' crazy, but we are feeling the effects of not having Andy McDonald. We need a playmaker BADLY. There is little creativity throughout the line up.

Wouldn't hurt having Perron back either.
I don't think your crazy. I don't know much about hockey systems and the like, but it seems like the Blues are pretty reliant on their left wingers for creating plays and distributing the puck, and without McDonald or Perron, the Blues are suffering. That said, the left wing depth is likely third or lower on the "fix it" list of personnel, behind Big Bad Left D, and Top Line Center.

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We need a faster counter attack. We are just a mess in transition, and it reflects in the amount of dump and chasing we do.

That said, teams are dumb if they don't forecheck hard against us. Composure under the top pairing is a bit shaky. I would really like to see them go after another reliable puck mover later in the season. I like Coliaccovo well enough but he (my opinion) is a waste on the top pairing. I know Pietrangelo can pinch, but with his composure, I'd like to see someone more offensive with him. Except for not being particularly physical, I see no holes when he plays on the d side of the puck.

Some may think I' crazy, but we are feeling the effects of not having Andy McDonald. We need a playmaker BADLY. There is little creativity throughout the line up.

Wouldn't hurt having Perron back either.
I agree and disagree with the thought that teams shouldn't forecheck us hard. If you are going to get the puck to the left side or against Poalk then sure. But if the puck goes to Petro or Shatty you can get burnt real quick sending two men in deep. If teams are playing against being burnt on a stretch pass by those two then we are put in a position where there are simply too many bodies between the red line and the opponent's blue line to enter the zone cleanly at any sort of reliable rate.

Maybe it is something only I really key in on but it seems like when we are forced into playing dump and chase one of our wingers are always near a standstill at the opposing Blue lines. If we could find a way to get the puck from the D to the Wing that dumps the puck quicker then maybe it will give the winger that is going to retrieve the puck a better chance to do it. It's a tough nut to crack either way.

It looks like we go D to D and sometimes back to the first D in the faceoff dots in our own zone much more than I see from other teams. For those of you who get to watch a wider array of teams across the league more regularly than I do, is that fair assessment? Or is it just me being focused on our team more than others?

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11-02-2011, 12:26 AM
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I agree and disagree with the thought that teams shouldn't forecheck us hard. If you are going to get the puck to the left side or against Poalk then sure. But if the puck goes to Petro or Shatty you can get burnt real quick sending two men in deep. If teams are playing against being burnt on a stretch pass by those two then we are put in a position where there are simply too many bodies between the red line and the opponent's blue line to enter the zone cleanly at any sort of reliable rate.

Maybe it is something only I really key in on but it seems like when we are forced into playing dump and chase one of our wingers are always near a standstill at the opposing Blue lines. If we could find a way to get the puck from the D to the Wing that dumps the puck quicker then maybe it will give the winger that is going to retrieve the puck a better chance to do it. It's a tough nut to crack either way.

It looks like we go D to D and sometimes back to the first D in the faceoff dots in our own zone much more than I see from other teams. For those of you who get to watch a wider array of teams across the league more regularly than I do, is that fair assessment? Or is it just me being focused on our team more than others?
You are correct but that stretch pass is meaningless if the recipient can't break into the zone. For all his talents, Pietrangelo can't control the transition game because we don't break out of the zone quick enough. Guys are rarely open enough to make anything of his swift passes.

I think you hit the nail on the head. The times that I scream the most during dump and chases are the times I see a winger chip it into the zone far too early-before he has even a step to gain on the defenseman, and possession changes hands without much of a fight. I don't know if its a question of the wingers coming back deeper into the zone or what....I'll have to key in on this.

Beating a dead horse alert: We need a playmaker.....we have a bunch of guys that can (theoretically) finish, just need someone to see the plays and distribute.

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Hey guys, if Nashville can't get Weber locked up, what about Shattenkirk+ for Weber?

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Hey guys, if Nashville can't get Weber locked up, what about Shattenkirk+ for Weber?
I'd do it even though I love Shatty, but I really believe that Nashville will keep there 3 prized free agents.

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Heard something interesting yesterday. Since 2006 only 6 teams have made the playoffs if they were out by 4 or more points by thanksgiving.
I havnt looked it up myself but some announcers said it

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Hey guys, if Nashville can't get Weber locked up, what about Shattenkirk+ for Weber?
Weber costs $6+ million more than Shattenkirk this year, and likely $7+ million more next year. Where's that money coming from?

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Weber costs $6+ million more than Shattenkirk this year, and likely $7+ million more next year. Where's that money coming from?
What's the point of having a new owner if we can't entertain ideas like this?

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I don't even see why people bring that stuff up. Nashville won't trade Weber to us unless we severely overpay and it's just highly unlikely.

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Yeah I think it's more of a logistical thing, if the Preds lose their best player, and one of the best d-men in the NHL they sure as hell are going to try and get him out of the division and if possible conference. However if he hits UFA status I dread the possibility that Detroit tries to steal him as a Lidstrom replacement.

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What's the point of having a new owner if we can't entertain ideas like this?
We don't have a new owner yet.

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Hey guys, if Nashville can't get Weber locked up, what about Shattenkirk+ for Weber?
Deal as long as the + was reasonable

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Heard something interesting yesterday. Since 2006 only 6 teams have made the playoffs if they were out by 4 or more points by thanksgiving.
I havnt looked it up myself but some announcers said it
That seems rather depressing...

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Here are the statistics before Hitchcock smothers our offense into oblivion:

Forwards:
NameGPGoalsAssistsPointsProj GPProj GProj AProj P
Steen1363982381957
Oshie1335882193251
Arnott1335882193251
McDonald30227204848
Backes1343782251944
D'Agostini1342682251338
Langenbrunner131458262632
Sobotka130558203232
Berglund1332582191332
Stewart132138213619
Grachev1001179088
Nichol1300182066
Reaves600075000
Porter700076000
Perron000069???

Defense:
NameGPGoalsAssistsPointsProj GPProj GProj AProj P
Shattenkirk131678263844
Pietrangelo1324682132538
Huskins922478171734
Colaiacovo812377101929
Polak130448202525
Jackman130228201313
Nikitin700076000
Chorney200071000



EDIT: Following The Grouch's good idea, here are some stats that will make life easier in the future for evaluations:

13gp
GF = 32
GA = 35
Powerplay Opportunities = 29th
Times Short-Handed = 5th

Home Record = 3-1-0
Away Record = 3-6-0


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Here are the statistics before Hitchcock smothers our offense into oblivion:

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NameGPGoalsAssistsPointsProj GPProj GProj AProj P
Steen1363982381957
Oshie1335882193251
Arnott1335882193251
McDonald30227204848
Backes1343782251944
D'Agostini1342682251338
Langenbrunner131458262632
Sobotka130558203232
Berglund1332582191332
Stewart132138213619
Grachev1001179088
Nichol1300182066
Reaves600075000
Porter700076000
Perron000069???

Defense:
NameGPGoalsAssistsPointsProj GPProj GProj AProj P
Shattenkirk131678263844
Pietrangelo1324682132538
Huskins922478171734
Colaiacovo812377101929
Polak130448202525
Jackman130228201313
Nikitin700076000
Chorney200071000

I'll add a few things to this, I'm sure some fans will find it useful for tracking the Blues' progression/regression under Hitchcock...

Through 13 games(Hitchcock hired Nov. 6):

6 Wins - 7 Losses - 12 Points
.462 Points Percentage (25th)

Offense:

StatisticNumberRank
Goals Scored per Game 2.4620th
Powerplay Percentage 7.530th
Powerplay Opportunities 4028th
Powerplay Goals 330th
Shots For per Game 30.815th

Defense:

StatisticNumberRank
Goals Against per Game 2.6916th
Penalty Kill Percentage 73.827th
Times Shorthanded 42T-4th
Powerplay Goals Against 11T-22nd
Shots Against per Game 26.22nd

Other:

StatisticNumberRank
5 on 5 Goals For/Against Ratio 1.25T-6th
+/- +5T-6th

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Under Hitchcock: 4-0-1

FORWARDS:

NameGamesPlayedGoalsAssistsPointsProjGPProjGProjAProjP
Backes 5gp 2g 1a 3p 69gp 28g 14a 42p
Oshie 5gp 2g 1a 3p 69gp 28g 14a 42p
Stewart 4gp 1g 1a 2p 66gp 17g 17a 34p
Porter 2gp 1g 0a 1p 66gp 33g 0a 33p
Berglund 5gp 1g 1a 2p 69gp 14g 14a 28p
Sobotka 5gp 1g 1a 2p 69gp 14g 14a 28p
Steen 5gp 1g 1a 2p 69gp 14g 14a 28p
Langenbrunner 5gp 0g 2a 2p 69gp 0g 28a 28p
Arnott 5gp 1g 0a 1p 69gp 14g 0a 14p
D’Agostini 5gp 1g 0a 1p 69gp 14g 0a 14p
Grachev 5gp 0g 1a 1p 69gp 0g 14a 14p
Reaves 4gp 0g 0a 0p 68gp 0g 0a 0p
Nichol 5gp 0g 0a 0p 68gp 0g 0a 0p

DEFENSE:

NameGamesPlayedGoalsAssistsPointsProjGPProjGProjAProjP
Shattenkirk 5gp 1g 4a 5p 69gp 14g 55a 69p
Russel 3gp 2g 0a 2p 67gp 45g 0a 45p
Colaiacovo 5gp 0g 2a 2p 69gp 0g 28a 28p
Jackman 5gp 0g 2a 2p 69gp 0g 28a 28p
Pietrangelo 5gp 0g 1a 1p 69gp 0g 14a 14p
Polak 5gp 0g 1a 1p 69gp 0g 14a 14p
Cole 2gp 0g 0a 0p 68gp 0g 0a 0p


GF: 14 (2.8 per game)
GA: 4 (0.8 per game) - the shootout goal doesn't count imo.
PP: 3/17 (17.6%)
PK: 19/21 (90.5%)


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4 GA...2 vs Toronto, 1 vs Detroit, and 1 vs Florida

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4 GA...2 vs Toronto, 1 vs Detroit, and 1 vs Florida
Oops. Thought that was a 2-1 SO Loss.

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I just heard a Blues talk show guy call Steen the Blues best all around player and Sobotka a close second. Thoughts ?

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I just heard a Blues talk show guy call Steen the Blues best all around player and Sobotka a close second. Thoughts ?
Taking defensemen out, so Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk don't count:

Backes
Steen
Oshie
Berglund (he's going to start scoring soon)


Sobotka

I love Sobotka as a player, but he is more of a 3rd liner that has some offensive ability, but Backes, Steen, and Oshie are as good defensively and miles ahead offensively. Some goes for Berglund once he starts putting points on the board. Sobotka is the definition of a fan favorite though.

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Taking defensemen out, so Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk don't count:

Backes
Steen
Oshie
Berglund (he's going to start scoring soon)


Sobotka

I love Sobotka as a player, but he is more of a 3rd liner that has some offensive ability, but Backes, Steen, and Oshie are as good defensively and miles ahead offensively. Some goes for Berglund once he starts putting points on the board. Sobotka is the definition of a fan favorite though.

agreed! Backes just showed yesterday that he plays hugh at both ends
as good as Steen is (and as much as I like him), Backes is better IMO

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Sooner or later Stewart will start scoring. Berglund has had scoring chances and hasn't been able to finish. Dags is in a scoring drought. As good as this team has played under Hitchcock they can play better. They have too much talent to only score 2-3 goals a game. Two more road games and then the house will be rockin against the Hawks and really rockin if Perron plays.

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Instead of starting a new thread, I figured I might as well just post this here. If you think I should start a new thread, just say so.


With many of our players free agents at the end of the year, what do we try to do this season/trade deadline/offseason? How much does everyone get signed for this offseason?
Who do we target? How do we fill our holes?


RFAs (11-12 Salaries)

Stewart ($3.25M)
Oshie ($2.35M)
Perron ($2.5M)
Reaves ($.525M)

Total RFA Salaries=$8.625M


UFAs (11-12 Salaries)

Arnott ($2.5M)
Langenbrunner ($2.5M)
Nichol ($.6M)
Porter ($.6M)
Sterling ($.6M)

Jackman ($3.5M)
Colaiacovo ($2.5M)
Huskins ($1M)

Elliot ($.6M)

Total UFA Salaries =$14.3M
Total FA Salaries = $22.925M



Lineup without UFAs, using Blues Property

McDonald-Backes-Oshie
Perron-Berglund-Stewart
Steen-McRae-Tarasenko
Sobotka-Grachev-D'Agostini
Crombeen/Reaves

Cole-Pietrangelo
Russell-Shattenkirk
Fairchild-Polak

Halak
Allen



Major holes I see:
#1 - Two-way, 1st-2nd Pairing LHD
#2 - 3rd Line Center
#3 - Backup G
#4 - Depth D
#5 - Depth Forwards


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You forgot D'Agostini and Crombeen, and chances are much better that Bishop moves into the backup spot before Allen graduates from the AHL.

But otherwise, you're right. The Blues will be hunting for a defenseman and a third line center. Unfortunately, the veteran third line centers available for the Blues via trade or signing are basically nonexistent. I like Sobotka and McRae, but I'd like to see them spring for a 2nd line centerman for that role and see the other guys compete.

The goaltending thing is open inasmuch as it could be Bishop, or even Allen, or a free agent, but I think it's likely they retain Elliott.

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Someone needs to tell Stewart he's playing for his next contract.

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