At this point, Yemelin, Weber and Woywitka are NOT.
Weber certainly is (he was last year) and Yemelin has shown no indication that he's not at least in terms of being an effective D-man (that he was expected by fans to be a battering ram is irrelevant).
Yemelin is more ready to play in the NHL in October than Gill is. Likely more than Campoli too since he didn't have a training camp.
You were doing well arguing your points. That is until this post. You seem to forget that Yemelin has yet to play an NHL game (a real one). He has never played at this level and now all of a sudden he's playing on the smaller ice surface, can't understand anything the coach is saying (or anyone else other than Kostistyn and Markov who is MIA). Not only this, but there are 82 games in the NHL season and 56 in the KHL one. Let that sink in for a bit. It would be completely unrealistic to expect him to just show up under those circumstances and be better than established vets.
Another way to think about it. Let's say we're tied in OT on opening night, who do send out to kill the penalty. Gill or Yemelin?
Yemelin should be ok, but many people are seriously expecting way too much from him way too fast.
At this point, Yemelin, Weber and Woywitka are NOT.
Yemelin definitely showed he was in preseason. Weber did last year. Wywitka is a serviceable NHL d-man, he's as good or better than what most teams have as #7-8.
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Originally Posted by Jigger77
You were doing well arguing your points. That is until this post. You seem to forget that Yemelin has yet to play an NHL game (a real one). He has never played at this level and now all of a sudden he's playing on the smaller ice surface, can't understand anything the coach is saying (or anyone else other than Kostistyn and Markov who is MIA). Not only this, but there are 82 games in the NHL season and 56 in the KHL one. Let that sink in for a bit. It would be completely unrealistic to expect him to just show up under those circumstances and be better than established vets.
Another way to think about it. Let's say we're tied in OT on opening night, who do send out to kill the penalty. Gill or Yemelin?
Yemelin should be ok, but many people are seriously expecting way too much from him way too fast.
Expecting him to start out as a #5 guy with 16-18 minutes a night is pretty realistic.
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You were doing well arguing your points. That is until this post. You seem to forget that Yemelin has yet to play an NHL game (a real one). He has never played at this level and now all of a sudden he's playing on the smaller ice surface, can't understand anything the coach is saying (or anyone else other than Kostistyn and Markov who is MIA). Not only this, but there are 82 games in the NHL season and 56 in the KHL one. Let that sink in for a bit. It would be completely unrealistic to expect him to just show up under those circumstances and be better than established vets.
Another way to think about it. Let's say we're tied in OT on opening night, who do send out to kill the penalty. Gill or Yemelin?
Yemelin should be ok, but many people are seriously expecting way too much from him way too fast.
I don't send Gill out to do anything in October. It's more likely he'll cost us the game than anything else.
Yemelin has also played at the WJCs on smaller ice, it's not like he's never been on it before against the top players of his age group.
Yemelin is more ready to play in the NHL in October than Gill is. Likely more than Campoli too since he didn't have a training camp.
I think Yemelin is the 6th-7th guy to start, and he will work his way into a full-time role as the season and learning curve goes...but to say he is more ready than steady Gill???
You obviously don't see the appreciation the Habs have for a stay at home guy like Gill brings to that D corps.
I learned quite alot reading this thread...
Markov will miss alot more time than we thought because we signed Campoli, who's here to replace Weber, whose will be traded to make place for Diaz, who's earned a spot while Yemelin is going back to Russia, angry because he thought he was better than Gill...
I'm a bit confused... hehe!
getting Campoli means only one thing : Pierre Gauthier failed.
He failed by giving spacek that contract, which led to another mistake, letting hammer go.
he failed by trading 2nd rounders for capable guys, but the snobed them comes july 1rst . Its not only letting Hammer go, its also letting wiz go.
He failed by assuming he did not need to reinforce the Dman core thinking markov and gorges wouldnt suffer any setbacks.
And finally, he failed thinking that a yemelin would be able to play on nhl rinks overnight and that weber was ready.
Markov - Gorges
hammer- wiz
Gill - Subban
slice it all you want...this is the look our 2011-2012 Dcore should have looked like. with markov being remplaced by one of : yemelin, weber, diaz , ect ...
too many projects are penciled in the lineup at the moment, with campoli being useless ...id rather have a young player making those mistakes than have campoli making them...
getting Campoli means only one thing : Pierre Gauthier failed.
He failed by giving spacek that contract, which led to another mistake, letting hammer go.
he failed by trading 2nd rounders for capable guys, but the snobed them comes july 1rst . Its not only letting Hammer go, its also letting wiz go.
He failed by assuming he did not need to reinforce the Dman core thinking markov and gorges wouldnt suffer any setbacks.
And finally, he failed thinking that a yemelin would be able to play on nhl rinks overnight and that weber was ready.
Markov - Gorges
hammer- wiz
Gill - Subban
slice it all you want...this is the look our 2011-2012 Dcore should have looked like. with markov being remplaced by one of : yemelin, weber, diaz , ect ...
too many projects are penciled in the lineup at the moment, with campoli being useless ...id rather have a young player making those mistakes than have campoli making them...
getting Campoli means only one thing : Pierre Gauthier failed.
He failed by giving spacek that contract, which led to another mistake, letting hammer go.
he failed by trading 2nd rounders for capable guys, but the snobed them comes july 1rst . Its not only letting Hammer go, its also letting wiz go.
He failed by assuming he did not need to reinforce the Dman core thinking markov and gorges wouldnt suffer any setbacks.
And finally, he failed thinking that a yemelin would be able to play on nhl rinks overnight and that weber was ready.
Markov - Gorges
hammer- wiz
Gill - Subban
slice it all you want...this is the look our 2011-2012 Dcore should have looked like.
poor asset management.
WOW
Hate management much?
Gauthier had the cap space - decided to use it with a 1.75 million dollar insurance policy. That's a Fail?
Spacek signed by Gainey
If Hamrlik was willing to accept a 1yr deal he'd still be here(+ he's 100 yrs old)
Wiz isn't worth the money and with his latest suspension he won't be collecting it all either
Campoli IS the Dcore reinforcement
As far as asset management I'll take Gauthier's take on it rather than a guy who thinks it's better for the organization to keep Hamrlik and re-sign Wiz at that ungodly rate
Hoff, I would love to have that lineup. It doesn't fit under the cap though for the next few years. I think the Campoli signing is sending mixed messages. Is there a trade coming up? Are they really disappointed with the kids' performance in preseason? Or is this just the mid-season Plan B but a little early this time? I hope it's the latter.
Hoff, you know what pissed me off? That Gauthier didn't even offer Wiz anything at all (as per Wiz himself). Not even a lowballing offer to get the discussion started. I'm glad we didn't pay what Columbus did, but who knows? Maybe he would've taken less here. Why would you not offer anything at all?
Really hope Yemelin is in our top 6 when season begins...
Yemelin and future with Habs >>>>>>> Spacek
Weber (future as Hab and/or trade value) >>>>>> Spacek
Spacek may not mind so much being the #7 dman when season begins (then again Weber might be better as a forward playing with Desharnais, so Spacek will be #5-6).
I'm hoping for this for the beginning of the season:
IF White is healthy:
Moen/Desharnais - Eller - A.Kostitsyn
Darche/Moen - Desharnais/White - White/Darche
getting Campoli means only one thing : Pierre Gauthier failed.
He failed by giving spacek that contract, which led to another mistake, letting hammer go.
he failed by trading 2nd rounders for capable guys, but the snobed them comes july 1rst . Its not only letting Hammer go, its also letting wiz go.
He failed by assuming he did not need to reinforce the Dman core thinking markov and gorges wouldnt suffer any setbacks.
And finally, he failed thinking that a yemelin would be able to play on nhl rinks overnight and that weber was ready.
Markov - Gorges
hammer- wiz
Gill - Subban
slice it all you want...this is the look our 2011-2012 Dcore should have looked like. with markov being remplaced by one of : yemelin, weber, diaz , ect ...
too many projects are penciled in the lineup at the moment, with campoli being useless ...id rather have a young player making those mistakes than have campoli making them...
poor asset management, in my humble opinion
Ok Pierre McGuire, how come your not the gm? PG has done a great job he's not a freaking fortune teller. Call Ms. Cleo
Hoff, I would love to have that lineup. It doesn't fit under the cap though for the next few years. I think the Campoli signing is sending mixed messages. Is there a trade coming up? Are they really disappointed with the kids' performance in preseason? Or is this just the mid-season Plan B but a little early this time? I hope it's the latter.
Hoff, you know what pissed me off? That Gauthier didn't even offer Wiz anything at all (as per Wiz himself). Not even a lowballing offer to get the discussion started. I'm glad we didn't pay what Columbus did, but who knows? Maybe he would've taken less here. Why would you not offer anything at all?
Maybe we didn't offer anything at all because Weber is only going to get better, Georges and Markov would be back (as wiz was a plug in) Yemelin could be something great and there would be no room for our young core if we kept wiz. Also even if we did offer less and he took it I bet it would be 500 000 less to 1mil less per yr which would be 4,5mil-5mil per yr. And with Subban and Price getting a HUGE pay raise after this season it makes no sense to sign wiz...Think
getting Campoli means only one thing : Pierre Gauthier failed.
He failed by giving spacek that contract, which led to another mistake, letting hammer go.
he failed by trading 2nd rounders for capable guys, but the snobed them comes july 1rst . Its not only letting Hammer go, its also letting wiz go.
He failed by assuming he did not need to reinforce the Dman core thinking markov and gorges wouldnt suffer any setbacks.
And finally, he failed thinking that a yemelin would be able to play on nhl rinks overnight and that weber was ready.
Markov - Gorges
hammer- wiz
Gill - Subban
slice it all you want...this is the look our 2011-2012 Dcore should have looked like. with markov being remplaced by one of : yemelin, weber, diaz , ect ...
too many projects are penciled in the lineup at the moment, with campoli being useless ...id rather have a young player making those mistakes than have campoli making them...
poor asset management, in my humble opinion
Your opinion is not humble buddy. You are saying all these things before the season even starts. Doing so only leads us to believe you have a clear bias towards management, not a humble opinion..
Hoff, you know what pissed me off? That Gauthier didn't even offer Wiz anything at all (as per Wiz himself). Not even a lowballing offer to get the discussion started. I'm glad we didn't pay what Columbus did, but who knows? Maybe he would've taken less here. Why would you not offer anything at all?
Things would be so much better if we had a $5million defenseman to be suspended for the first 8 games of the season...
