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06-25-2011, 02:44 PM
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NHL Realignment - Time Zones?

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NHL exec said to expect dramatic realignment in 2012-13. Four time-zone based divisions, two with eight teams, two with seven.
I am trying to think how this works out. As far as I can think, and using the below map, there are 17 teams in the EST Zone, the entire Eastern Conference, Detroit and Columbus. Am I missing anything, how do you see this shaking out. I don't think it would be too different for us, perhaps an extra meeting with Columbus or Detroit, and less with the Atlantic Division rivals due to more teams in the division. My final guess is East is split into 2 divisions, then we get Central + Detroit + Columbus, and finally Mountain/Pacific.

Please check my list, but from my geographic skills, I have the following:

Eastern
Entire Eastern Conference (Edit: 14 teams not including Atlanta anymore...)
Columbus
Detroit

Central
Chicago
Minnesota
Nashville
Winnipeg
Dallas
St. Louis (Edit: Whoops)

Mountain
Calgary
Edmonton
Phoenix
Colorado

Pacific
LA
Anaheim
San Jose
Vancouver




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06-25-2011, 02:49 PM
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St. Louis is absent from that list.

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No...

It means...

NE - MTL + BOS + TOR + BUF + OTT + NYR + NYI + NJD (8)

SE - PHI + PIT + WSH + CAR + TBL + FLA + NSH (7)

C - DET + CBJ + CHI + STL + MIN + DAL + WPG (7)

W - VAN + CGY + EDM + SJS + LAK + ANA + COL + PHX (8)

Something to that effect.

I'm pretty sure anyway, and I'm not too happy about it.

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That is tricky, because that opens the door for expansion, since I'm assuming that means 16 teams in the Eastern Conference. And they move someone to Quebec.


C'mon, you can't put Winnipeg in a different division than Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary.

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How did I miss STL and still end up with 30 teams, what am I missing or adding that is throwing me off...

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How did I miss STL and still end up with 30 teams, what am I missing or adding that is throwing me off...
You included Winnipeg, which is still in the Eastern Conference.

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Wait, I get it now, I am counting 15 when I lump the Eastern Conference, even though Atlanta doesn't exist, will add STL to the original post.

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How did I miss STL and still end up with 30 teams, what am I missing or adding that is throwing me off...
You kept 12 of the current 15 Western teams in a "Western" concept and switched Columbus and Detroit to the East. St. Louis is the 15th.

Winnipeg is one of 15 Eastern teams for this season.

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No...

It means...

NE - MTL + BOS + TOR + BUF + OTT + NYR + NYI + NJD (8)

SE - PHI + PIT + WSH + CAR + TBL + FLA + NSH (7)

C - DET + CBJ + CHI + STL + MIN + DAL + WPG (7)

W - VAN + CGY + EDM + SJS + LAK + ANA + COL + PHX (8)

Something to that effect.

I'm pretty sure anyway, and I'm not too happy about it.
I hope not.

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No...

It means...

NE - MTL + BOS + TOR + BUF + OTT + NYR + NYI + NJD (8)

SE - PHI + PIT + WSH + CAR + TBL + FLA + NSH (7)

C - DET + CBJ + CHI + STL + MIN + DAL + WPG (7)

W - VAN + CGY + EDM + SJS + LAK + ANA + COL + PHX (8)

Something to that effect.

I'm pretty sure anyway, and I'm not too happy about it.
So basically no more rangers and devils in our division?

Screw Bettman!

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This is what I would do:

Northeast:
Boston
Montreal
Toronto
Ottawa
Buffalo

Atlantic:
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
New Jersey
NY Islanders
NY Rangers

Southeast:
Nashville
Carolina
Florida
Tampa
Washington

Central:
Detroit
Chicago
Columbus
St. Louis
Dallas
Minnesota
Winnipeg (I guess I have to)

Pacific:
Los Angeles
Anaheim
San Jose
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Phoenix
Colorado


Winnipeg interchangeable I suppose.

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I wouldn't mind a no division system, but that totally screws over 2 of Detroit, Columbus, Nashville as they are still required to travel West quite often. I have also been a fan of a more standardized schedule but this would require an 86 game schedule. You have your conference, which you play everyone 4 times, and then the opposite conference 2 times each. It would be 4 x 14 + 30. That way every team has a home/away with every other team when it comes to tie breakers and other concepts of fairness.

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So basically no more rangers and devils in our division?

Screw Bettman!
Exactly, my friend and former HF writer is a HUGE geek when it comes to re-creating the NHL after relocation/expansion.

He's been plotting similar scenarios for years, and he said this is probably what Bettman is plotting though he personally wouldn't go this direction.

He's also a Devils fan haha.

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We can also consider thinking that the NHL has plans to move Phoenix to Hamilton or Quebec so some of these teams that we are considering won't be a factor by the time realignment occurs.

Also, I have always hated the concept of unbalanced divisions at the highest pro-level. I know the AHL does it, but they do it due to lack of traveling resources and money. This shouldn't factor into the highest levels. I hate that MLB has uneven divisions and unbalanced schedules. Especially considering their divisional playoff format. It is much harder to make the playoffs in a division of 6 than in a division of 4...

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When the NHL first altered its format to four divisions in the mid-1970s, geography played a major role in that the League intentionally tried to balance travel in what otherwise was inconsistencies.

Montreal/Los Angeles and Toronto/California were division opponents. The League also had a plan to expand to Seattle and Denver and one of those teams (Denver, IIRC) was to be placed in the Flyers' division with the two NY teams and Atlanta.

http://www.databasehockey.com/league...ar.htm?yr=1975

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I dont get why this is so hard for the NHL?

NSH to SE
DAL to Central
WPG to NW
COL to Pacific

Seriously, why are they making this so hard?


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I dont get why this is so hard for the NHL?

NSH to SE
DAL to Central
WPG to NW
COL to Pacific

Seriously, why are they making this so hard?
Just to isolate Nashville for a moment, a move to the East would mean that they would be the lone franchise in the Conference not to be in the Eastern Time Zone. That would mean many 7:00 p.m. games would be a 6:00 local start time. Columbus, meanwhile, would in the Eastern time zone yet remain in the Western Conference.

Oddities have precedence, however, and for different reasons: Detroit is slightly further East than Atlanta which meant a potential Thrashers-Red Wings Cup Finals would have a more Eastern team representing the West and a more Western team in the East.

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If I was a Nashville fan, I'd rather have 6pm starts than 9:30.

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If I was a Nashville fan, I'd rather have 6pm starts than 9:30.
I would think they would take typical work schedules into account. 9-5 shifts and all, it is much easier to make a game that starts at 7-9 than one at 6.

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I would think they would take typical work schedules into account. 9-5 shifts and all, it is much easier to make a game that starts at 7-9 than one at 6.
Yeah, but they would only be on the road.

Some starts at rare times are before 7pm. For instance, we go to Dallas next season and the start time is 6:30 CT.

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Does this allow for a potential Finals matchup where the Kings would play the Wild in the Finals, because the NHL would be irate there was no East Time Zone teams in the Finals.


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Everyone keeps including DC in the Southeast but I think they will use the needed realignment to make a hard push to be put into the Atlantic and assuming they keep the current divisions we could end up with unbalanced divisions and conferences similar to baseball (6 in the Atlantic, 4 in the Southeast, 14 in West, 16 in East, etc).

Something like:
Northeast:
Boston
Montreal
Toronto
Ottawa
Buffalo
Detroit

Atlantic:
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
New Jersey
NY Islanders
NY Rangers
Washington

Southeast:
Nashville
Carolina
Florida
Tampa

Central:
Chicago
Columbus
St. Louis
Dallas
Minnesota
Winnipeg

Northwest:
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Colorado

Pacific:
Los Angeles
Anaheim
San Jose
Phoenix

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Breaking up the Atlantic division is the friggen worst thing the NHL could do IMO. Every single team is a serious and heated rival with the other (except the Islanders). And in the next few years, the Islanders are likely going to become a much better team and start more rivals with the real teams in the Atlantic. If Bettman gets rid of the best division in hockey, I will be extremely furious. If they want to add a team like Washington or Boston to the division somehow, ok fine, but you can't take NJ and NY away from Pitt and PHI. That is a terrible, terrible idea.

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Does this allow for a potential Finals matchup where the Kings would play the Wild in the Finals, because the NHL would be irate there was no East Time Zone teams in the Finals.
Not at all, there would still be two conferences, two divisions each.


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Breaking up the Atlantic division is the friggen worst thing the NHL could do IMO. Every single team is a serious and heated rival with the other (except the Islanders). And in the next few years, the Islanders are likely going to become a much better team and start more rivals with the real teams in the Atlantic. If Bettman gets rid of the best division in hockey, I will be extremely furious. If they want to add a team like Washington or Boston to the division somehow, ok fine, but you can't take NJ and NY away from Pitt and PHI. That is a terrible, terrible idea.
Where did you get the idea that they would break up the Atlantic??? No chance that happens...

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The East would boast the most rivalries, as the whole Atlantic division and three Northeast teams -- Boston, Montreal and Ottawa -- would comprise the 8-team grouping.

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the NHL is really going to screw this up, you know they will

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