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09-30-2011, 06:36 PM
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I think some are letting camp decide if a player is up to snuff. Park will be very valuable come the start of the season, maybe not at first but he'll be an asset.

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09-30-2011, 06:38 PM
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And Park did kick Johnson out of a spot. He was not sent down (on a two-way) and Johnson was (on a one-way). Which is my entire point.
Johnson and Park both have two-way contracts. For the 1000th time, two-way contracts have nothing to do with waiver eligibility. They only allow a player to make less money when they're in the minors.

Remember when Rick Berry was claimed off waivers and Pens fans freaked out and thought we gave away a future NHL defenseman? This reminds me of that. Best of luck to Johnson, but I'd bet on him ending up back in Wilkes-Barre by the end of the year.

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09-30-2011, 07:06 PM
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Asham could definitely have a use. But he's too slow to fulfill that use, in my opinion.
Asham is one of the last guys I'd worry about on this team. He is a good player and one of the few times I got excited when Shero signed a vet. He is a playoff performer and that is what matters.

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And Park did kick Johnson out of a spot. He was not sent down (on a two-way) and Johnson was (on a one-way). Which is my entire point.
I don't see it that way. Park is competing with Vitale for that last 4th line spot.

Johnson would of had to beat out a Cooke or Dupuis to earn a roster spot.

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My apologies. I didn't get to see the highlights of that game, I live across state with an awful internet connection. I was talking about what I saw in the first two preseason games, and from what people commented on the last few.

If he did all that, then that is very, very encouraging to me.
I wouldn't go by what most people say when evaluating Tangradi. If he doesn't look like Kevin Stevens circa 1992 after 3 or 4 games, people get into a panic. It takes 30-40 games for young PFs to get comfortable and another year + to start showing their skills.

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Agreed. I just think it is representative of this whole pecking order business where grinders and vets are revered, and youth be damned. Just seems very silly to me.
I've been arguing that Shero needs to make room for his prospects for a couple of years now, so I feel you. It is what it is and I've learned not to get pissed about it, because it is out of my control.

Not every GM thinks like Shero, so his way isn't necessarily right or wrong. He is running the team and is a hell of a GM. He just likes over ripe prospects and defers to vets, even if it isn't always the best option. His philosophy cost the Pens a nice prospect who was NHL ready, but it isn't something I'll lose sleep over.

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09-30-2011, 09:05 PM
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Johnson and Park both have two-way contracts. For the 1000th time, two-way contracts have nothing to do with waiver eligibility. They only allow a player to make less money when they're in the minors.

Remember when Rick Berry was claimed off waivers and Pens fans freaked out and thought we gave away a future NHL defenseman? This reminds me of that. Best of luck to Johnson, but I'd bet on him ending up back in Wilkes-Barre by the end of the year.
I'm not going to bother with the dissenting replies to my prior post and just stick with agreeing with this.

I like Johnson. A lot. He usually ranked higher in my rankings than most people that have been here for a long time. He's a solid depth player and he does bring a good something to any team he plays for.

I don't buy that he's going to be anything more than a replacement player (to use a MLB term) in his career. He's going on 26 years old, lets not pretend that him being a .8 PPG player in the AHL means a whole lot.

He's depth. We're a better team with him in the system, no doubt, but we're not going to lose a whole lot because he's out of the system. The waivers system exists for a reason, and Johnson was only ever going to get his chances in the NHL with a bunch of injuries in the NHL. Guys just like Johnson will be on waivers this year, and there's still a good chance he ends up in WBS anyway.

If you want to turn this into a Johnson or Park thing, then that's your prerogative. Park probably did cost Johnson his job in Pittsburgh...but I don't see 14th forward as that big of a deal. I don't really see the difference between Park and Johnson aside from age, which works as both a pro and a con on both sides.

We're a slightly weaker organization today than we were at 11 am yesterday. It happens. This isn't a video game, you can't keep a roster and a half of NHLers in your system without losing a guy to waivers once-in-a-while.

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09-30-2011, 09:16 PM
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I'm not going to bother with the dissenting replies to my prior post and just stick with agreeing with this.

I like Johnson. A lot. He usually ranked higher in my rankings than most people that have been here for a long time. He's a solid depth player and he does bring a good something to any team he plays for.

I don't buy that he's going to be anything more than a replacement player (to use a MLB term) in his career. He's going on 26 years old, lets not pretend that him being a .8 PPG player in the AHL means a whole lot.

He's depth. We're a better team with him in the system, no doubt, but we're not going to lose a whole lot because he's out of the system. The waivers system exists for a reason, and Johnson was only ever going to get his chances in the NHL with a bunch of injuries in the NHL. Guys just like Johnson will be on waivers this year, and there's still a good chance he ends up in WBS anyway.

If you want to turn this into a Johnson or Park thing, then that's your prerogative. Park probably did cost Johnson his job in Pittsburgh...but I don't see 14th forward as that big of a deal. I don't really see the difference between Park and Johnson aside from age, which works as both a pro and a con on both sides.

We're a slightly weaker organization today than we were at 11 am yesterday. It happens. This isn't a video game, you can't keep a roster and a half of NHLers in your system without losing a guy to waivers once-in-a-while.
After two years out of the NHL and the preseason he had, Park would have passed through waivers. That's the difference between the two. Also, Johnson can play further up the depth chart than Park without looking totally out of his depth. Johnson had some decent games on Malkin's wing when he got called up a couple years ago.

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10-01-2011, 12:30 AM
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I don't really get the logic that Park took Johnson's spot. Park isn't making this team, or at least it would really surprise me if he did. All sending Park down instead of Johnson would do is delay the process of him being claimed by another team.

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10-01-2011, 04:29 AM
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Johnson was sent down now to sneak him through waivers. sending down now often states that they are not NHL ready. He didn't make it all the way through camp so teams don't look too hard at him. The problem for us was ..... flecter and yeo! they know this guy and most likely had someone in Pittsburgh telling them how he did.

Shero did the same thing when he first came here. He picked up guys he knew. We just couldn't get Johnson past these guys. So be it.

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10-01-2011, 10:00 AM
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I don't really get the logic that Park took Johnson's spot. Park isn't making this team, or at least it would really surprise me if he did. All sending Park down instead of Johnson would do is delay the process of him being claimed by another team.
Right. And rather be sent through waivers when teams were making massive cuts, he'd be sent down when teams were only sending down a player or two.

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10-01-2011, 11:09 AM
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Damn and just when I finally got my Nick Johnson card too.
If this were Despres, Tangradi, or Bennett I might be pissed, but it's Nick Johnson. I'm happy for him to get a chance to play somewhere, because if I was in his situation I wouldn't want to be someone's call up forever.

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If this were Despres, Tangradi, or Bennett I might be pissed, but it's Nick Johnson. I'm happy for him to get a chance to play somewhere, because if I was in his situation I wouldn't want to be someone's call up forever.
+1 to that. He might get an NHL career yet. good for him.

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10-01-2011, 04:04 PM
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Any guys that got waived you think we should take a shot on them? I think if he sneaks through how about Ryan Parent? He was a 1st round draft pick of the Predators.

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Any guys that got waived you think we should take a shot on them? I think if he sneaks through how about Ryan Parent? He was a 1st round draft pick of the Predators.
I would take a chance on Parent to play the left side with Matt Niskanen, waive or trade Lovejoy and keep Engelland as the 7th defenseman.

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Tikhonov could be an interesting pickup.

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Tikhonov could be an interesting pickup.
Yes he would be. I doubt that we'll take him, though. The forwards are clogged as it is and I'd be a bit surprised if he made it to us, although it wouldn't be shocking if he clears. I think he'd benefit from a change of scenery, though.

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I will say I've liked Parks game the past two he's played in, but if he makes the team over Vitale, I'll be a little upset.

I'm not very experienced with Vitales game, bc I don't follow the baby pens at all, but this camp, he has REALLY impressed me. His hustle and tenacity is great. He seems really good in the face off circle and he's not afraid to go to the dirty areas, or lay the body. He also seems like a solid PK'er.

Can someone tell me what kinda goal totals he could come up with?

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I would take a chance on Parent to play the left side with Matt Niskanen, waive or trade Lovejoy and keep Engelland as the 7th defenseman.

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That's what I was thinking Parent as a 3rd pair defensemen. Wasn't he part of a big trade a few years ago? Tikhonov would be sweet too. Who would we need to drop or trade to add the two of them?


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Tikhonov is a lot of what we already have in terms of being a third/fourth line winger, only unestablished. He might have rounded out an offensive game if Phoenix had the slightest clue what they were doing with prospects.

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Tikhonov is a lot of what we already have in terms of being a third/fourth line winger, only unestablished. He might have rounded out an offensive game if Phoenix had the slightest clue what they were doing with prospects.
He's still young enough to give him a try out and see if he has a scoring touch.

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NJ is playing for the Wild but he's getting fourth line minutes. 8 minutes in the first game and under 4 minutes today. If this continues he might be back in the organisation sooner than late.

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NJ is playing for the Wild but he's getting fourth line minutes. 8 minutes in the first game and under 4 minutes today. If this continues he might be back in the organisation sooner than late.
We don't get first crack at Johnson if he is waived again. At least, I don't think so.

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We don't get first crack at Johnson if he is waived again. At least, I don't think so.
I believe we do. Washington did when we waived Bourque, I think.

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I believe we do. Washington did when we waived Bourque, I think.
Yes, this is right. When a player previously claimed is put on waivers again, the team that lost them gets first option and can send them directly to the AHL without having to put them on waivers again.

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You guys might be right. I thought I read on the main board that this scenario applies to traded players, not waived players. And I thought the Caps were the only team to put in a claim for Bourque, which is why they landed him again.

I was under the impression that if a team lower than us in the standings claims Nick Johnson, they get him.

I could be wrong.

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I believe we do. Washington did when we waived Bourque, I think.
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Yes, this is right. When a player previously claimed is put on waivers again, the team that lost them gets first option and can send them directly to the AHL without having to put them on waivers again.
I think if another team put a waiver claim on him besides the wild the first go around they get first crack at him otherwise if no one claims the second time around we can claim him and send him to the minors.

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