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10-12-2011, 04:45 PM
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I'm going to need some convincing on this one, even if it's the AAA Draft.
Well, Jody Hull were an excellent checker who can chip in some important goals. I honestly don't see the problem with him at this level.

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Well, Jody Hull were an excellent checker who can chip in some important goals. I honestly don't see the problem with him at this level.
This is not the AA or A draft. There are plenty of better options available! You'll see.

Play him on your 4th line and it won't be a big deal.

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Shawn McEachern, LW/RW

Good pick. Mceachern was in the running for me for my pick tomorrow. Solid career numbers.

Thanks to seventieslord for the compliments on Reid. I agonized over the pick and went back and forth between him and a few undrafted's. I figured I needed a pure defensive defenseman here so that I could let Brown and Norton concentrate on offense.

Oh and Jody Hull was a decent player but not for the AAA draft, the A or AA draft perhaps but not the AAA draft.

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There will be a 2011 Double-A Draft! If we get at least 4 teams, 2 picks per day for 12 days, it'll get done in late November or early December.

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Good pick. Mceachern was in the running for me for my pick tomorrow. Solid career numbers.
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There will be a 2011 Double-A Draft! If we get at least 4 teams, 2 picks per day for 12 days, it'll get done in late November or early December.
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The Springfield Indians select Tommy Salo, G

Salo is a guy often underrated because our last memory of him was the awful goal in the 2002 Olympics and how it broke him mentally. But before that, he was a damn fine goalie.

NHL
  • From 1996-2002, Salo ranked 2nd in games played among all NHL goalies
  • 1999-2000: 6th in Vezina voting (1-0-0); 7th in AS voting (0-0-3); Played in the All Star Game
  • 2000-2001: 7th in Vezina voting (1-0-2); 8th in AS voting (0-0-2); 17th in Hart voting (0-0-2-0-0)
  • 2001-2002: 9th in Vezina voting (0-0-2); Played in the All Star Game
  • Edmonton as a team had the 2nd fewest goals against in the league in 2001-02 - the only time in team history they were top 5 in goals against

International Play:
  • Team Sweden's starter in the 1994, 1998 and 2002 Olympics
  • Gold Medals at the 1994 Olympics and 1998 World Championships
  • World Championships All Star in 1997, 1998, 1999
  • World Championships Directorate Best Goalie in 1997, 1999
  • Overall record at the Olympics: 9-4, 2.21 GAA, 1 SO
  • Overall record at the World Championships: 19-7-2, 1.89 GAA, .905 save %, 8 SO
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he played an integral role in Sweden's gold medal victory at the 1994 Winter Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway. Salo made critical saves in the gold medal game, as they defeated Canada in a shootout to secure Sweden's first Olympic gold medal in ice hockey.
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"It took months, but the search for Curtis Joseph's successor is over. After a late-season deal brought him to Edmonton, Salo enjoyed a solid run leading up to the playoffs. The Sweden has enough international experience and plenty of NHL duty under his belt to succeed at this most-demanding position. His ability to steal a game is pivotal to the success of the Oilers. Salo will try to prove his doubters on Long Island wrong by establishing himself among the best goalkeepers in the league. Based on potential and talent, he has that sort of ability."(The Sports Forecaster 1999-2000, p. 185)
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"The Swedish workhorse has literally smashed all doubts about his abilities as a No. 1 netminder." (The Sports Forecaster 2000-01, p. 39)
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"Sweden's No. 1 goaltender is now considered a member of the NHL's elite. Last season, Salo posted career highs with 36 wins and eight shutouts. For the second consecutive season, the 5-11 173-pounder proved capable of playing 70-plus games for the Oilers. He has not elevated his game in the postseason but that is understandable given his heavy workload. Finishing sixth in the league in wins and fifth in shutouts, he continues to give his team a chance to win almost every time out. However, he does need a better backup goaltender so as to keep fresh for the playoffs. Salo has been a godsend for the Oilers since coming over from the New York Islanders in late 1998-99. He has continued Edmonton's long tradition of great goaltending (Andy Moog, Grant Fuhr, Bill Ranford and Curtis Joseph) and is now a bona fide all-star performer." (The Sports Forecaster 2001-02, p. 183)


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10-13-2011, 11:02 AM
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Regina selects Nikolai Makarov, D. I agonized long and hard over the pros and cons and decided that he is capable of a top-4 role with 1st unit PP duties in the AAA.

He was never on the national team, aside from a game in 1981. With that said, the national team mainstays are all taken...
NOT true. A defenseman who is top-10 all-time in games played on the Soviet national team is still available:



HC Davos selects Ilya Byakin, the Soviet rearguard who won gold at the 1988 Olympics with 5 points in 8 games, and scored some assists in winning gold at the 1989 and 1990 world championships. He went on to score 10 goals, 19 points and get another gold in the next four world championship tourneys, including Best Defenseman at the 1993 Worlds. He tasted the NHL at age 31 in his 11th season of pro hockey, scoring an impressive 28 points in 44 games. Injuries limited the vet to just 13 more NHL games. He returned to Europe and played until age 41, scoring 4 points in 10 playoff games for Minsk in 2004. His career began as the Best Defenseman at the 1983 world junior championships and immediately thereafter began playing in the Soviet league with Spartak. He went on to play in eight Soviet league seasons, serving time as an alternate captain, until the USSR dissolved, scoring 20+ points in four of those 8 seasons. He is 10th all-time in games played among defensemen on the Soviet national team.



He had earned his worth over his 8 years in the 1980s in Soviet international competition however much one may want to discount his 1990s post-Soviet moments of greatness.

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10-13-2011, 11:14 AM
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Garnish selects Left Winger Sylvain Turgeon



Some stats on Turgeon:

- 495 Points in 669 Games
- 2 40 Goal Seasons
- Appearance in the 1986 NHL All Star Game

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NHL All-Star Game (1950, unmerited SC winner appearance)
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156 points in 385GP
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Gerry Couture joined the NHL's Detroit Red Wings for the 1944-45 season but did not suit up for any games with the war effort not yet completed. In 1945-46, he took to the ice on 43 occasions, scoring three goals and ten points.

The 1946-47 season was split between the Red Wings and Indianapolis of the AHL, where he posted 24 goals and 42 points in just 34 games. He rejoined the Red Wings on a full-time basis the following two years, posting 29 and 31-point seasons, respectively. The 1950 Red Wing club proved to be the best in the NHL, coming away with the Stanley Cup. A drop in production in 1950-51 had the team and Couture believing that a change was in order. He played for the Montreal Royals of the Quebec League, the Cleveland Barons of the AHL, and ten games with the Montreal Canadiens in 1951-52 before moving on to the Chicago Blackhawks for the 1952-53 campaign. That season, he played in 70 games, scoring 19 goals and 37 points.

The final NHL season for Couture was 1953-54 when he scored eleven points for the Blackhawks. He continued to play professional hockey for another four years in the WHL, three with the Calgary Stampeders, and finally with the Saskatoon Royals in 1957-58.
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Abel got the Wings' second goal at 15:57 of that period as he sank the rebound of a shot by Jerry Couture. Couture had moved up to replace Howe on the famed Howe-Lindsay-Abel line and he did a creditable job, getting one assist and banging eight shots at Broda in a futile attempt for a score.
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he was still a physical player with tremendous work ethic , leadership and heart , capable of making room for more talented players.

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The Springfield Indians select Tommy Salo, G

Salo is a guy often underrated because our last memory of him was the awful goal in the 2002 Olympics and how it broke him mentally. But before that, he was a damn fine goalie.

NHL
  • From 1996-2002, Salo ranked 2nd in games played among all NHL goalies
  • 1999-2000: 6th in Vezina voting (1-0-0); 7th in AS voting (0-0-3); Played in the All Star Game
  • 2000-2001: 7th in Vezina voting (1-0-2); 8th in AS voting (0-0-2); 17th in Hart voting (0-0-2-0-0)
  • 2001-2002: 9th in Vezina voting (0-0-2); Played in the All Star Game

International Play:
  • Team Sweden's starter in the 1994, 1998 and 2002 Olympics
  • Gold Medals at the 1994 Olympics and 1998 World Championships
  • World Championships All Star in 1997, 1998, 1999
  • World Championships Directorate Best Goalie in 1997, 1999
  • Overall record at the Olympics: 9-4, 2.21 GAA, 1 SO
  • Overall record at the World Championships: 19-7-2, 1.89 GAA, .905 save %, 8 SO


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What stood out to us was the international record. As TDMM mentioned, the last thing we really remember is the goal against Belarus and the collapse he had there..but taking a look at his overall international career..he was tremendous for Sweden and consistently good at that. His teams in the NHL always were very average and yet he seemed to consistently keep his teams in playoff races and even got them there multiple times.

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What stood out to us was the international record. As TDMM mentioned, the last thing we really remember is the goal against Belarus and the collapse he had there..but taking a look at his overall international career..he was tremendous for Sweden and consistently good at that. His teams in the NHL always were very average and yet he seemed to consistently keep his teams in playoff races and even got them there multiple times.
You're giving his teams too much credit, chaos.

Those Oilers teams of the late 90s/early 00s were average at best, but generally worse than that. The Oilers, more than any other team, were hit hard by the low Canadian dollar and were basically run almost like a farm team for the rest of the league - they'd develop young talent, then have to trade the talent away when it was time for the next contract.

They also played a more wide-open style of play than just about any other team in the dead puck era, either because of the Oilers tradition, or to make use of their young, fast talent before having to trade them away. Either way, they were especially reliant on goaltending to remain competitive.

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10-13-2011, 01:13 PM
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NOT true. A defenseman who is top-10 all-time in games played on the Soviet national team is still available:

Let me clarify. I was referring to national team mainstays of Makarov’s generation. the point was that although not playing on the national team is a detriment to his legacy,the players who did regularly make it ahead of him are all highly regarded.

As for Byakin… where do you see that he is top-10 all-time in national team games? Chidlovski uses a very loose definition for national team games (a definition that honestly should not be used in the ATDs) and based on that definition he is 18 th on that list: http://www.chidlovski.net/1954/54_to...D&country=allc – to use the more “proper” definition,games played in the offial IIHF tournaments plus CC,RV and SS games,Byakin has 57, all played between 1988 and 1994. I don’t have a definitive GP list of soviet defensemen by “proper” international GP,but 57 GP can’t be anywhere near the top-10. Can it?

Anyway,Byakin is a really tough defenseman to place:

- He played 8 seasons in the USSR… but one was division 2,and two were after the best players left.
- He had three (where do you get four?) 20+ point seasons there… but he peaked at 21 points and was 4th ,7th ,5th ,6th in soviet defensemen scoring.

- He was never named an all-star… but how could he with Fetisov and Kasatonov ahead of him? And with no 2nd and 3rd teams we don’t have a good idea of where he slotted in for those years.

- He played 57 “proper” international games… but they were from 1988 to 1994,which later on got to be a fairly weak time for USSR/Russia’s international team,and he never played in a best on best tournament. As an example,in 1994 Russia’s 5th and 6th defensemen were nobodies and their #4 was Igor Ulanov. In 1993 it was Byakin and Yushkevich,then a guy with only a very faint chance of getting A draft recognition. In other words, it was padding to his GP totals without much substance backing it.
- He was the best defenseman at the 1993 worlds… but the notables in the field were Dave Manson,Dimitri Yushkevich,a very young Derian Hatcher, Garry Galley, Antonin Stavjana, Eric Weinrich, and a very small handful of other guys who ever played in the NHL
- He had 33 points in 57 NHL games… but that was as a #6 d-man on a non-playoff team getting heavy PP time. And he strangely had just 38 points in 87 north American minor league games (playoffs included)
- He played until he was 41… but it was in a league that was about AHL caliber.
- His senior career includes 57 NHL games (great),194 in a top caliber euro league (good),43 international non-BOB tourney games of substance (good),14 international non-BOB tourney games with weak competition (meh),87 north American minor games (meh) and 474 in 2 nd and 3 rd -rate euro leagues (bleh). Unfortunately,the “bleh” makes up over 50% of this total.

I think that like Makarov he had the potential to be a middle of the road offensive specialist at the NHL level in his prime,considering what he did at the NHL level in that exact role at age 31-32,and considering in his offensive USSR prime (and the primes of Kasatonov and Fetisov) he scored at 69% and 60% of their levels,with less help. If we assume (and I think we generally do) that Fetisov would have been a perennial 70-point defenseman in the NHL,then it’s not a stretch to suggest Byakin could have put up 40 points a year throughout the mid-late 80s.

Not that you were introducing a comparison between he and Makarov,but I should say I like Makarov’s offensive credentials even better,considering his offensive results at the USSR level (97% Vasiliev’s production in the years both were defensemen). He also played over twice as many games at “high” level (that being the USSR league) I realize that not making the national team hurts him and it’s a plus for Byakin,but it should be noted that there are mitigating circumstances for both. (i.e. competition for the national team). The evidence suggests that Makarov was more productive but was also more of a “specialist”,therefore not as strong in other areas.

Conclusion: considering what is left for modern offensive defensemen who played in the NHL,Byakin is well worth taking a flyer on,and was fairly high on my list. There is just a lot to consider with a guy like him; it makes it really tough to get a good read.

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Regina selects defenseman Jimmy Fowler, D



- 5'11", 168 lbs
- Stanley Cup Finalist (1938, 1939)
- 6th in All-Star voting
- placed 1st, 5th in defensemen scoring.

He has one of the oddest career paths of all-time. He appears to have been more of an offensive defenseman. He played just three NHL seasons. In one he was 2nd in defense scoring and 6 th in all-star voting. In another he was 5th in scoring and got one all-star vote. Then at 23, following two trips to the Stanley Cup Finals (in the first of which he appeared to be the #2 behind Horner) he was traded to the NY Americans,didn’t want to go to New York,and simply retired at 23… didn’t go play anywhere else either. Kaput,done. So right now,he has a poor man’s Drew Doughty career,with the exception that his resume isn’t going to get considerably better anytime soon,and Doughty’s is.

Not sure how often he was a "utility forward" as I have only ever been able to find references to him as a defensemen.

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His name is Jimmy Fowler. They fantastically nicknamed him "The Blonde Bouncer," hinting at some sort of robust and flamboyant nature. But from what I have been told he was actually a rather quiet and docile guy. Friends dubbed him "Gentleman Jim."

Fowler was a versatile player with the Toronto Maple Leafs from 1936 through 1939. Described as "a youthful rearguard" who also doubled as a utility forward at times, Fowler scored 18 goals and 47 points in 135 games. He added another 3 assists in 18 Stanley Cup playoff games.

After three seasons Fowler was starting to make a pretty good name for himself in the National Hockey League. He was a good skater with a good shot and strong passes. No one would have guessed he would retire before the 1940-41 season.

Fowler was part of one of the biggest trades in hockey history on May 18th, 1939. The Leafs traded Fowler, Busher Jackson, Murray Armstrong, Buzz Boll and Doc Romnes to the New York Americans all for superstar Sweeney Schriner.

Fowler had no interest in leaving Toronto. Rather than continue his career as a National Hockey League player, he simply retired. He began working as a saleseman for the paint company Glidden. He rose all the way to company president, retiring in 1976.


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You're giving his teams too much credit, chaos.

Those Oilers teams of the late 90s/early 00s were average at best, but generally worse than that. The Oilers, more than any other team, were hit hard by the low Canadian dollar and were basically run almost like a farm team for the rest of the league - they'd develop young talent, then have to trade the talent away when it was time for the next contract.

They also played a more wide-open style of play than just about any other team in the dead puck era, either because of the Oilers tradition, or to make use of their young, fast talent before having to trade them away. Either way, they were especially reliant on goaltending to remain competitive.
Fair enough. My memories of the Oilers are a little fuzzy, but even with what I remember, their team was essentially Tommy Salo. Without him, they were likely at the bottom of the league for much of the late 1990's and early 2000's. His effort for them was tremendous and should be deservingly recognized.

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All Im saying is that Wayne Presley was selected in the MLD and he isnt far above Jody Hull.

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Dawson City selects Czech center Jiri Dopita.

While his NHL totals are decidedly lacklustre, his career at home in the Czech Extraliga makes him more than worthy of selection here.

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Starting in the 1995–96 season, Dopita returned to his native Czech Republic and played with Vsetín HC of the Czech Extraliga. Dopita continued his scoring pace in the Czech Republic, averaging over a point per game every year in six seasons with Vsetín, compiling 315 career points, and being selected again in the NHL draft, this time in 1998 by the New York Islanders. However, once again, Dopita would not play with the Islanders.
By the late 1990s, some considered Dopita the best player outside the NHL. He was a member of the gold medal-winning Czech team at the 1998 Winter Olympics, and was named Czech player of the year in 2001, the first non-NHLer to win the award since Roman Turek in 1994.
Along with the Olympic triumph, Dopita was also a part of 3 World Championship teams, part of a stretch that saw Dopita win 5 WC medals (3 gold, 2 bronze) in 6 years.

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Dawson City selects Czech center Jiri Dopita.

While his NHL totals are decidedly lacklustre, his career at home in the Czech Extraliga makes him more than worthy of selection here.



Along with the Olympic triumph, Dopita was also a part of 3 World Championship teams, part of a stretch that saw Dopita win 5 WC medals (3 gold, 2 bronze) in 6 years.
The fact that he was 33 when he first played in the NHL makes his mediocre NHL career pretty much a nonfactor, IMO.

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The fact that he was 33 when he first played in the NHL makes his mediocre NHL career pretty much a nonfactor, IMO.
Yeah I was wondering that....how the hell does someone get drafted in their 30's?

Couldn't he have just signed with anyone, or were rules different a decade ago and I just don't remember?

Either way, I certainly didn't pick him for his NHL totals, that's for sure.

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While he possessed excellent stamina, decent speed and above average puckhandling ability, Roxy was not blessed with a hard shot, and, rather than shooting, sought to pass off to one of his cannon-armed teammates. That being said, Beaudro was exceptional on defense and was widely regarded as being the best backchecker on the entire team.
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what would you think about putting Buchberger with the Semin-Quinn combo?

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what would you think about putting Buchberger with the Semin-Quinn combo?
Buchberger is a Bottom-6 forward. He should not be on an offensive-oriented line. Play him as a 3rd liner, fine, though ideally he's utilized as a fourth liner.

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