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10-18-2011, 08:58 PM
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Claude Lapointe was not a stat pick. He wasn't chosen because of the claim to top-3 in face-offs, though that did impress and was a consideration as to where to play him (3rd or 4th line). Clearly from all the quotes I showed he was widely respected for his face-off ability, and the NHL didn't keep stats on it through his prime so there's no statistical way of determining how good he really was at that. true, he was not top-3 or top-10 by the later half of his career, clearly, and that will be reflected in his revised bio for the bio thread, thanks.

But he was no marginal 4th liner either. Not only memory serves one well here. Statistically, Lapointe was getting 18-19 minutes a game as a 30 and 31 year old. Yeah, he only played 11-13 minutes his last two and a half seasons, from age 33. But he, like anyone who has played in the NHL since age 22, ought not be judged by their role in their thirties, especially in the AAA where some teams draft three or four year careers! He was good at it, respected for it, even if later in his career he was at top-30 at it for four of his last seven seasons (the only time apparently the stat was actually recorded).

Lapointe is a quality Bottom-6 defensive forward in an all-time depth draft context. He has all the key attributes: speed, penalty killing, grit, hard work, respect of his peers, and yes, 'face-off specialist' reputation by the journalists of his time and historians, even if one just looks at the Who's Who in History book, The Sporting News magazine, and the newspapers.

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10-18-2011, 11:40 PM
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I drafted him in the MLD, Modo.
Ah, damn. Was in a hurry so I didn't think to search for the full name, lol.

At work now, I'll double up my pick tomorrow.

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But he was no marginal 4th liner either.
Absolutely agree.

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To make up for yesterday's gaffe, Dawson City selects LW/D Vic Lynn, the only player ever to play for all Original Six teams.

Vic's best seasons were with Toronto, where he won three Stanley Cups and was part of the dangerous K-L-M line with Howie Meeker and Ted Kennedy.

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allright i neglected the era requirement and now need some help for the pre 37 one.

any help in private would be appreciated

looking for a 6th D , a back up goalie , a 4th liner or a spare of any sort.

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Today just one player screams out to me that he’s the best choice, even though it’s not the usual time to select for this position. But I’m doing it anyway. Viktor Zinger, G.



Zinger’s domestic achievements are quite staggering for a soviet player available this late:

1966: 2nd team all-star (behind Konovalenko)
1967: 2nd team all-star (behind Konovalenko)
1968: 2nd team all-star (behind Konovalenko)
1969: 1st team all-star, MVP runner up (behind Firsov)
1970: named to “34 best players”, or more specifically, “3 best goalies” – only a 1st AST was named so Zinger was 2nd-3rd
1971: 3rd team all-star
1972: named to “30 best players”, or more specifically, “4 best goalies” – only a 1st AST was named so Zinger was 2nd-4th
1976: 8th in MVP voting – 2nd among goalies – there was no “top 30 players”

That’s 7 consecutive significant seasons, a few off years, and one final season renaissance.

Led by Zinger, Spartak Moscow captured the USSR title in 1967, 1970, 1971 and 1976, a pretty amazing achievement in a CSKA Moscow-dominated league. The 1976 title was earned by top regular season record, but 1967, 1970 and 1971 were the result of 4-round playoffs, in seasons where Spartak was not the favourite heading in (2nd and 4th in the regular season).

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Spartak Moscow retains the USSR Cup. After two qualifications on penalties, it runs in the second period of the final with two goals from Konstantin Klimov.
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Two years after the Krylia Sovietov, it was the turn of the Spartak Moscow CSKA to dethrone the imperial title of champion of the USSR. The club's fourth win of intellectual professions, the first in the annals 60 years, welcomed the many fans of the team's most popular country, which does not have the considerable support of the key instruments of the system are the Army (CSKA ) and militia (Dynamo).
He didn’t play as many international games as Konovalenko, so he is appropriately selected behind Konovalenko, but he should not fall as far as he has.

Here is a brief summary of their international experience:

Konovalenko played 53 games in top IIHF tournaments, going 47-4-2 (.906). He allowed 87 GA for a 1.61 GAA.
Zinger played 21 games in these tournaments, going 19-2-0 (.905). He allowed 32 GA for a 1.52 GAA.

Because in a small sample size it is very important to consider the competition each goalie faced, and since Zinger was second fiddle, it’s very possible that they only used him against lesser teams. But here is the breakdown for each of them:

Konovalenko: FIN 10, SWE 9, CZE 9, GER 8, USA 8, CAN 5, POL 3, HUN 1
Zinger: GER 6, CAN 4, SWE 3, USA 3, CZE 2, FIN 2, NOR 1

Simplified, if you consider Canada, Sweden and Czechoslovakia tier 1, and USA and Finland Tier 2, and all else tier 3:

Konovalenko: 40% Tier 1, 34% Tier 2, 26% Tier 3
Zinger: 43% Tier 1, 24% Tier 2, 33% Tier 3

Very similar records of usage. Zinger didn’t get as many games against Tier 2, but he did play just as much against Tier 1. Keep in mind this is also in the exact same years, for and against the exact same squads. It appears Zinger earned the superior GAA honestly; though of course Konovalenko maintained his over more than double the games which is more impressive.

To provide some further, but less important depth to the comparison, here is what happened in the other games that Chidlovski lists (Braun Memorial, Izvestia Cup, Exhibition Games) – considering the competition level in these contests could be poor and also vary wildly I don’t believe this to be nearly as important, but it may provide some more illumination. I also don’t have the energy to break down the teams they each played in these games.

Konovalenko: 53-11-1, .823, 2.18 GAA
Zinger: 27-6-4, .784, 2.65 GAA

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In The Red Machine, Zinger is criticized for poor play by coaches, singled out as one of two underachievers against the Czechs. At another place in the book, players on the national team also rebelled at the plan to start him in the world championships instead of Konovalenko, and so coaches relented and benched Zinger.

Zinger was targeted pre-draft to be 1A in a 1-1A goaltending tandem for Davos with Seth Martin, until my research showed negative references in terms of his international play. I'll post specific quotes when I get around to it this weekend probably.

I do think Zinger belongs in this draft and am happy some team has him.

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10-19-2011, 12:09 PM
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LW Doug Smail



1990 NHL ASG
459 Points in 845 Games
30 goals once, 20 three other times, 28 SH throughout career

Smail will see time on the top PK unit and play on our fourth line. He was a great skater who played a defensive role in his career. He was sent to the minors for the first and only time as a 35 year old, not bad for a player described as lacking offensive sense/skill.

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An all-American at the University of North Dakota, Doug Smail was an outstanding collegiate player. He was named to the NCAA Championships all-tournament team in 1980 as well as being awarded the tournament's MVP.

Smail signed with the Winnipeg Jets as a free agent in 1980 and remained a Jet for ten years. He made his NHL debut in the 1980-81 season and had his finest season in point production in 1984-85 collecting 66 points.

After Smail played in the NHL All-Star Game in 1990, the Jets traded him to the Minnesota North Stars where he finished out the 1990-91 season and signed with the Quebec Nordiques as a free agent. The upstart Ottawa Senators came calling in their inaugural season of 1992-93 and signed Smail as a free agent. He left the NHL after this year.

Smail moved to Britain where he played for three more seasons before retiring from the game in 1996.
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Smail was phenomenally quick, probably the quickest skater during the 1980s. He was a very intelligent skater as well, as he often would skate at less than full board in order to throw off his check. This unpredictability led to a lengthy career as a penalty killer and defensive left winger


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Derek Morris, D is the highest scoring RH defenseman left by a wide margin and has been solid in his own end too.

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With today's pick Garnish selects Centre Ron Wilson. Oh and before anyone asks this is not the Coach Ron Wilson this was another Ron Wilson.



This Wilson was noted for his excellent penalty killing skills (Which he will be used for on Garnish) and being a good defensive forward.

For more on this Wilson click the following link:

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Jean Potvin, D

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The Springfield Indians have managed to do something that I couldn't do in either the ATD or MLD - construct a defense with a lefty and righty on each pair. Hooray for us?


Leo Lamoureux - Kevin McCarthy (A)
Robert Picard - Larry Cahan (C)
Hal Gill - Derek Morris

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Solid pick. We gave him strong consideration when we drafted Robert Picard, but picked Picard because Potvin was just too much of a one-season wonder (but what a season it was!)

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10-19-2011, 02:14 PM
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HC Davos selects W Ville Peltonen
Ville Peltonen is a LW/RW who has shined in a top-6 role internationally, but was more of a third liner in the NHL, though played all lines in Florida. He is a 4-time Olympic medalist, three-time world championship all-star and Finland's all-time leader in points in international play, including several clutch goals, leadership and two-way play. He captained the Finns to the final of the 2004 World Cup where Canada edged them by a single goal. He struggled in the Dead Puck Era NHL, but returned in the new NHL as a fast-skating role player, with 148 points in 382 NHL games.



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Skates well, and oozes offensive creativity and puck poise. Owns a wealth of experience at all levels. Is solid at both ends of the ice.
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/...layer.cgi?1539

All other of the top-85 on the following list have been drafted:

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All Time Top Scorers In Best-On-Best Tournaments
RankPlayerPos.NationalityCareerTournamentsGPGAPtsPim
1Wayne GretzkyCCAN1981-199864520486812
2Mats SundinCSWE1991-200663018203838
3Teemu SelänneRWFIN1991-200663318173520
4Sergei MakarovRWSOV1981-198732216153112
5Brett HullRWUSA1991-200452714173112
6Mike ModanoCUSA1991-20066368233116
7Paul CoffeyDCAN1984-19964336253124
8Vladimir KrutovLWSOV1981-198732214163018
9Mario LemieuxCCAN1987-200432014152910
10Saku KoivuCFIN1996-20064249202922
11Daniel AlfredssonRWSWE1996-20065248182612
12Mark MessierCCAN1984-19964326202636
13Jere LehtinenLW/RWFIN1996-20065281114256
14Joe SakicCCAN1996-200653012112312
15Alexei KasatonovDSOV1981-19914273192220
16Jaromir JagrRWCSK/CZE1991-20066318132116
17Mike BossyRWCAN1981-1984215137204
18Phil EspositoCCAN1972-19762151192015
19Sergei FedorovCSOV/RUS1991-20024228122020
20Nicklas LidströmDSWE1991-20066308122010
21Ray BourqueDCAN1981-19984304162028
22Alexander YakushevLWSOV1972-1974215127196
23Gilbert PerreaultCCAN1972-1981313811194
24Ville PeltonenLWFIN1996-20064248111914
25Peter ForsbergCSWE1996-20064183161912
26Brian LeetchDUSA1991-20045292171912
27John LeClairLWUSA1996-20023171261810
28Alexander MaltsevC/RWSOV1972-1981425810186
29Igor LarionovCSOV/RUS1981-20025326121826
30Bobby HullLWCAN1974-1976215125172
31Eric LindrosCCAN1991-2002428981728
32Theoren FleuryRWCAN1991-20024276111728
33Alexei YashinCRUS1996-20065296111714
34Chris CheliosDUSA1984-20068474131732
35Guy LafleurRWCAN1976-19812143141712
36Kent NilssonCSWE1981-1987319314178
37Viacheslav FetisovDSOV/RUS1981-19963203141731
38Keith TkachukLWUSA1996-20065261241683
39Alexei KovalevRWRUS1996-20064231151620
40Michel GouletLWCAN1984-198721679160
41Bryan TrottierCCAN/USA1981-19842135111614
42Doug WeightCUSA1996-20065284121626
43Denis PotvinDCAN1976-19812143131628
44Martin RucinskyLWCSK/CZE1991-20066295101522
45Olli JokinenCFIN2002-2006318104146
46Bill GuerinRWUSA1996-2006528771431
47Vladimir VikulovRWSOV1972-197631468140
48Valeri KharlamovLWSOV1972-1974215591420
49Vladimir PetrovCSOV1972-19742154101414
50Martin StrakaCCZE1996-2006420410146
51Paul HendersonRWCAN1972-197421594134
52Pat LaFontaineCUSA1987-199842094134
53Kimmo TimonenDFIN1996-2006524211138
54Pavel BureRWRUS1998-20022121111210
55Sergei SvetlovRWSOV1984-198721275120
56Joe MullenRWUSA1984-199131866122
57Brent SutterCCAN1984-1991325661222
58Sergei KapustinLWSOV1974-1981316571212
59Jeremy RoenickCUSA1991-2002318571212
60Vladimir ShadrinCSOV1972-1974216481211
61Mats NäslundLWSWE1984-199132048128
62Tony AmonteRWUSA1996-2004422481210
63Pavel DatsyukCRUS2002-2006318391210
64Ed OlczykCUSA1984-19913192101212
65Anders HedbergRWSWE1976-198121074114
66Viktor ZhluktovCSOV1976-198121274114
67Boris MikhailovRWSOV1972-197421574119
68Thomas SteenCSWE1981-1991317741117
69Brendan ShanahanLWCAN1991-2002427741114
70Steve LarmerRWCAN19911865114
71Marian HossaRWSVK2004-200621065116
72Sergei ShepelevCSOV1981-198421165114
73Fredrik ModinLWSWE2004-200621265118
74Milan NovyCCSK1976-198121365119
75Dale HawerchukCCAN1987-199121765110
76Marcel DionneCCAN1972-198131356118
77Rick MiddletonRWCAN1981-198421456110
78Anatoli SemenovCSOV1984-198721556114
79Steve YzermanCCAN1984-2002422561112
80Jari KurriC/RWFIN1981-1998526561113
81Valeri VasilievDSOV1972-1981423471123
82Teppo NumminenDFIN1987-200673647118
83Sergei GoncharDRUS1996-2006528381118
84Valeri KamenskyLWSOV/RUS1987-199821573106
85Jarome IginlaRWCAN2002-200631873106

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Making All Time Draft History... I think

To coach the St. John's Ice Caps, none other than the team's top pairing defenseman, Al MacNeil !

He'll do a fine job of coaching the team and adding solid two-way play on the blue-line.
Pretty sure that a coach has coached himself a couple times before. But we are making history in another way here. This is the longest it has ever taken for someone to be informed that the guy they selected was long gone! You will need a make up pick.

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In need of some snarl from the back end, I'll take D Ron Harris

I didnt have room for him in my top-6 due to skillset, but i hoped he would get taken. If he wasnt I'd have taken him as a spare because he played a lot of wing too. Check out what i dug up in last year's A draft, it is awesome.

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Derek Morris, D is the highest scoring RH defenseman left by a wide margin and has been solid in his own end too.

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I knew this was coming soon. And it makes me even more sure of who i have to take now.

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In The Red Machine, Zinger is criticized for poor play by coaches, singled out as one of two underachievers against the Czechs. At another place in the book, players on the national team also rebelled at the plan to start him in the world championships instead of Konovalenko, and so coaches relented and benched Zinger.

Zinger was targeted pre-draft to be 1A in a 1-1A goaltending tandem for Davos with Seth Martin, until my research showed negative references in terms of his international play. I'll post specific quotes when I get around to it this weekend probably.

I do think Zinger belongs in this draft and am happy some team has him.
That is fine, i can live with that. Being criticized for poor play at some point certainly doesnt make him unique in this field of goalies. Heck, look at Konovalenko. I don't want to go dig it up now, but if you have just recently read Road To Olympus, you remember him mentioning goaltending was their downfall, referring to Kono.


Never being criticized for poor play would make a AAA goalie unique, I'd say!

Being criticized by the coaches and this silly player rebellion should not be completely ignored, but the fact that the team did just as well with either goalie should demonstrate that these criticisms were largely unfounded.

Look forward to reading the quotes. But i will probably wonder if some bias was present in the mind of the observer since the team was extremely successful and his personal numbers miniscule. Of course, he also took underdog teams to USSR titles too, so there was likely some overachieving in his past

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Dawson City selects one of the few remaining unselected Bill Masterton Trophy winners, Blake Dunlop.

A standout in the minors with Oshawa, and one-time MVP of the AHL, Blake was never quite able to parlay his skills into similar success in the pros. But he did manage to stick around for 550 games, racking up 404 pts in the process between four teams.

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Philadelphia selects C Dave Hannan



I believe he's near the top in terms of PK usage among remaining available players.

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Solid pick. We gave him strong consideration when we drafted Robert Picard, but picked Picard because Potvin was just too much of a one-season wonder (but what a season it was!)
Thanks, TDMM. Picard was surely the better pick in your situation, but I think Potvin's peak is pretty spectacular, and that I needed a pure offensive player to fill a void on my first power play unit. I was actually considering him in the first few rounds, thinking I was safe holding out for him until now.



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Pretty sure that a coach has coached himself a couple times before. But we are making history in another way here. This is the longest it has ever taken for someone to be informed that the guy they selected was long gone! You will need a make up pick.
Had no idea he was selected in the MLD, I'll search for my bench boss now.

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I believe he's near the top in terms of PK usage among remaining available players.
Fantastic pick, I was looking at Hannan for quite some time now.

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To make up for MacNeil, the Ice Caps select:

Bruce Boudreau, Coach


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I'll be interested to hear the reasoning on Boudreau....I know he has the Adams and high winning percentage....but he's still a coach with 4 years under his belt without a lick of playoff success...

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...he's still a coach with 4 years under his belt without a lick of playoff success...
With superstars on the team and postseason expectations they haven't met. He's one or two more bad playoffs away from being axed and a historical footnote for the franchise.

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