let's organize some all-star teams now that there has been some player discussion/debate. We shouldn't have a sub-ATD draft without making some sort of collaborative effort to point out the players most worthy of a jump up to the next level.
I can do this if you want, VI. I liked it in the MLD.
Graham Drinkwater scored the go ahead goal in the second half. He teamed with Davidson and McDougall to form a deadly combination.
The Montreal Victorias made it 3 Stanley Cups in a row in 1897....Point man harold Henderson did not miss any games this season, his third Cup winning year with Victorias....Cam Davidson played all year with the Vics, league play and challenge Cup both.... Injuries limited Graham Drinkwater to four games of AHA play, but he was front and center in the challenge game in combination with Davidson and Bob McDougall.
Pulford took his place in the Hockey Hall of Fame as a charter member in 1 945. Graham Drinkwater One of the most ... Ernest McLea and Cam Davidson dominated for the victors in one of the most lopsided encounters in Stanley Cup history. ...
3x Soviet 1st Team All Star
Soviet Hockey Hall of Fame Member
2x Olympic Medalist(1 Gold, 1 Bronze)
2x WC Gold Medalist
2x WC Silver Medalist
2x WC Bronze Medalist
37 goals in 240 career domestic games
7 goals in 51 career national team games
Soviet defenseman Alfred Kuchevsky was one of the top Russian ice hockey stars of the 1950s. His Soviet teams won an Olympic gold medal in 1956 and a bronze in 1960.
At World Championships, Kuchevsky and the dominating Soviets were gold medallists in 1954 and 1956, silver medallists in 1955 and 1958, and bronze finishers in 1960. He and his teams also won European Championships 1954 thru 1956, 1958 and 1960.
Kuchevsky played his entire club career for Moscow Krylya Sovetov (1949-1961). A three-time Soviet Hockey League All-Star–1953, 1954, 1960, he was inducted into the Soviet and Russian Hall of Fame in 1954.
1x NHL All Star Game Participant
6x 60 Point Scorer
.62 career adjusted PPG
2x Top 10 SHG(8, 10)
Killed 27% of team's penalties in 83-84 and 88-99 to 92-93
He joined the New York Rangers for the 1987-88 season. This time, he was a regular in the home dressing room of Madison Square Garden. For four seasons he provided the steady production that marked his career. Unfortunately, the Rangers remained mired in their lack of post-season success.
When the NHL expanded to San Jose for the 1991-92 season, Brian Mullen became a Shark. In the first year of the club, he was second in team scoring. In 1992-93, he began playing for the biggest rival of his boyhood Rangers, the New York Islanders. That team produced one of the biggest upsets in modern Stanley Cup play when the Islanders eliminated the two-time defending champion Pittsburgh Penguins. The series went seven games before the Islanders pulled off the upset in overtime.
Dutkowski was a left wing STAR, that's right, a 5'10 185 lbs. FORWARD, when played senior amateur hockey for the Regina Pats before switching to the Regina Vics and winning championships with that team in 1919, 1920, and 1921 after being an Allan Cup finalist in 1918 and Memorial Cup finalist in 1919.
So was he 6th in NHL points among dmen in 1930? Or part of that time as a forward? 9th in NHL points 1933 among dmen? he has been touted on this board before as four times top-4 in defenseman scoring in the WCHL/WHL but that is called into question. Did he really play every game as a blueliner in those seasons? The fact that he was a forward first and foremost early in his career, suggests he took the early era typical route of MOVING to the blueline later in one's career, a pretty common tactic to extend one's career when one slows down.
If we were to boil it down to one simplistic sentence - yes, he was a dman in the NHL and a forward before that. He should not be touted for being top-4 in defense scoring four times in the WCHL. I believe i'd have said that myself when I introduced him in AA10.
AAA All-star Rosters (positions forced, to reflect rankings)
Coach - Sid Abel (GAR)
Assistant Coach - Dave King (HCD)
Alexander Semin (MTL) - Jimmy Carson (StJ) - Sergei Svetlov (HCD)
Jeff O'Neill (PHI) - Mike Walton (QCM) - Earl Robinson (REG)
Val Fonteyne (HCD) - Bill Clement (REG) - David Legwand (StJ)
Tom Fergus (SPR) - Larry Popein (QCM) - Ric Seiling (StJ)
Paul Stastny (SPR) - Real Chevrefils (StJ)
Igor Romishevsky (HCD) - Scotty Bowman (REG)
Al Dewsbury (QCM) - Keith Brown (GAR)
Leo Lamoreux (SPR) - Al MacNeil (StJ)
Gord Murphy (REG)
Coach: Ron Wilson (REG)
Associate Coach: Cooney Weiland (SPR)
John Anderson (StJ) - Christian Bordeleau (GAR) - Viktor Polupanov (REG)
Oliver Seibert (HCD) - Nils Nilsson (SPR) - Pelle Eklund (DET)
Pete Horeck (REG) - Claude Lapointe (HCD) - Dave Hannan (PHI)
Bryan Smolinski (MTL) - Earl Ingarfield (REG) - Willy Lindstrom (DET)
Wayne Connelly (QCM) - Lucien DeBlois (REG) - Bert McCaffrey (REG)
Murray Henderson (PHI) - Kevin McCarthy (SPR)
Robert Picard (SPR) - Paul Cavallini (StJ)
Larry Cahan (SPR) - Tom Kurvers (PHI)
Nikolai Makarov (REG)
Seth Martin (HCD)
Jake Forbes (StJ)
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- it may sound like sour grapes, but I think Ingarfield is clearly better than Popein, they are an easy direct comparison.
- Every top-6 F with 4+ votes and every bottom-6 F with 3+ votes got a spot here.
- Every D-man with 3+ votes earned a spot.
- Goaltending voting was dominated by these four. Palmateer and Brodeur comfortable gaps behind. Then, Viktor Zinger, the backup who earned three fifth-place votes!
- The only four spares/assistants to earn 3+ votes are represented here: King, Stastny, Chevrefils, McCaffrey and Murphy.
- The spares/assistants on the 2nd team (Connelly, DeBlois, Makarov, Weiland) earned more recognition than any other actual spares in the voting, so they earned their spare spots over the likes of McDonald, Carpenter and Dukowski - all of whom could play in starting lineups in this draft, too.
Okay, while I like him better than Romishevsky and Bowman, I can see the arguments in their favor. There is no way that Dewsbury or Brown was better than Lamoreux, though.
Call me a homer, but Zajac should have gotten some votes. If Erixon got all those votes for his Selke record in the MLD, Zajac surely should have gotten a least a little consideration for having the best Selke record at the AAA draft level.
On to other teams:
I thought Seth Martin was clearly the most accomplished goalie at this level. The only question mark about him was why he never got a shot in the NHL and VI answered that. Still don't understand the love for Jake Forbes - IMO, the only thing that can be said about him is that he was good enough to maintain a starter's job in a smaller league, but past that, we don't know much.
How did Andy McDonald not get voted in as one of the best spares?
Last edited by TheDevilMadeMe: 12-06-2011 at 12:18 PM.
There is actually a solid case to be made for Brown. Don't be too quick to say that a guy who got some allstar votes in WW2 and the postwar recovery, was better than a "blah" 1980s defenseman with strong longevity. Brown was frequently Chicago's top ES minute muncher, despite the presence of Bob Murray and Doug Wilson. He did pretty well for himself. Not saying he is better for sure, and Lamoreux almost certainly has the better one (maybe two) season peak, but it is arguable that Brown ultimately delivered more value as a player.