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11-19-2011, 02:37 PM
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Everyone vote Saturday please!

You can too vecens24. Anyone who has ever been in an ATD can, as per tradition.

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11-20-2011, 12:20 AM
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If you didn't vote, consider next Friday for the divisional final voting!!! It's a basic GM responsibility to vote (and it helps us all in the long run).

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11-20-2011, 12:41 AM
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let's organize some all-star teams now that there has been some player discussion/debate. We shouldn't have a sub-ATD draft without making some sort of collaborative effort to point out the players most worthy of a jump up to the next level.

I can do this if you want, VI. I liked it in the MLD.

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11-20-2011, 01:01 AM
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let's organize some all-star teams now
Everyone should take a stab at it. Why not? We didn't do any official voting this time. So knock yourself out.

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11-20-2011, 01:36 AM
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Everyone should take a stab at it. Why not? We didn't do any official voting this time. So knock yourself out.
I don't want it to be "my" thing and I certainly don't want anyone getting lazy and posting names because I did. Do it via PM or not at all!

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11-20-2011, 02:02 AM
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A day late but not a dollar short. It's free! Go right ahead.

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11-20-2011, 02:10 AM
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I'll send out PMs tomorrow. hopefully I can get at least 5-6 votes so that the final results mean something.

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11-20-2011, 09:54 PM
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I asked that they send to you too, VI, so that the results can be vetted.

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I asked that they send to you too, VI, so that the results can be vetted.
Double checking is a good policy.

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11-22-2011, 02:52 PM
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I find myself with the entire day today to do absolutely nothing, so I figured I'd get those bios that I wanted to get done finished.

F Cam Davidson

4x Stanley Cup Champion
Scoring finishes:

4th(47% of 1st, 75% of 2nd, 1st place Trihey was an outlier)
1st(100% of 1st)
8th(42% of 1st place)

Goal Scoring Study 97-99(3 years we have stats for Davidson

PlayerGamesGoalsGoals/Game
Bob McDougall10191.9
Cam Davidson20261.3
Clare McKerrow20371.85
Graham Drinkwater12131.083

Those were the only guys I can find stats for that played 2 years in that range.


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Drinkwater, Grant, xxx and Cam Davidson dominated for the victors in one of the most lopsided encounters in Stanley Cup history.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net/Legen...page=bio&list=

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Cam Davidson headlined the cast of scoring leaders with 14 goals in seven regular-season games
http://stanleycupplayoffs2008.com/ts...=1893&End=1899

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Graham Drinkwater scored the go ahead goal in the second half. He teamed with Davidson and McDougall to form a deadly combination.

The Montreal Victorias made it 3 Stanley Cups in a row in 1897....Point man harold Henderson did not miss any games this season, his third Cup winning year with Victorias....Cam Davidson played all year with the Vics, league play and challenge Cup both.... Injuries limited Graham Drinkwater to four games of AHA play, but he was front and center in the challenge game in combination with Davidson and Bob McDougall.
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...m-stanley.html

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Pulford took his place in the Hockey Hall of Fame as a charter member in 1 945. Graham Drinkwater One of the most ... Ernest McLea and Cam Davidson dominated for the victors in one of the most lopsided encounters in Stanley Cup history. ...
http://www.google.com/search?q=cam+d...w=1366&bih=616

Unfortunately, that's all I can find.

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11-22-2011, 03:43 PM
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D Alfred Kuchevsky



3x Soviet 1st Team All Star
Soviet Hockey Hall of Fame Member
2x Olympic Medalist(1 Gold, 1 Bronze)
2x WC Gold Medalist
2x WC Silver Medalist
2x WC Bronze Medalist
37 goals in 240 career domestic games
7 goals in 51 career national team games

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Soviet defenseman Alfred Kuchevsky was one of the top Russian ice hockey stars of the 1950s. His Soviet teams won an Olympic gold medal in 1956 and a bronze in 1960.

At World Championships, Kuchevsky and the dominating Soviets were gold medallists in 1954 and 1956, silver medallists in 1955 and 1958, and bronze finishers in 1960. He and his teams also won European Championships 1954 thru 1956, 1958 and 1960.

Kuchevsky played his entire club career for Moscow Krylya Sovetov (1949-1961). A three-time Soviet Hockey League All-Star–1953, 1954, 1960, he was inducted into the Soviet and Russian Hall of Fame in 1954.
http://www.jewishsports.net/BioPages...-Kuchevsky.htm

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The most outstanding members of the team's defence line are Nikolai Sologubov, an army officer, and Alfred Kuchevsky, a Moscow factory worker...
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...ient=firefox-a

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He remembered seeing the elegant defenceman, Alfred Kuchevsky, he of the rippling athletic build that drew Russian females to hockey games.
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...ient=firefox-a

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Alfred Kuchevsky played a major role as defenseman in the Soviet Union’s domination of international ice hockey in the 1950s. He was named three times to the Soviet Hockey League All-Stars.
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010...o-hall-of-fame

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11-22-2011, 03:58 PM
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RW Brian Mullen



1x NHL All Star Game Participant
6x 60 Point Scorer
.62 career adjusted PPG
2x Top 10 SHG(8, 10)
Killed 27% of team's penalties in 83-84 and 88-99 to 92-93

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He joined the New York Rangers for the 1987-88 season. This time, he was a regular in the home dressing room of Madison Square Garden. For four seasons he provided the steady production that marked his career. Unfortunately, the Rangers remained mired in their lack of post-season success.

When the NHL expanded to San Jose for the 1991-92 season, Brian Mullen became a Shark. In the first year of the club, he was second in team scoring. In 1992-93, he began playing for the biggest rival of his boyhood Rangers, the New York Islanders. That team produced one of the biggest upsets in modern Stanley Cup play when the Islanders eliminated the two-time defending champion Pittsburgh Penguins. The series went seven games before the Islanders pulled off the upset in overtime.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net/Legen...p?player=11151

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The younger brother of Joey Mullen, Brian was a consistent scorer from the right wing throughout his eleven year NHL tenure. He recorded 6 20 goal seasons along with a career best 32 in 84-85.
http://books.google.com/books?id=h0y...hockey&f=false

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Brian Lawton and Brian Mullen are very smart hockey players." Ogrodnick was a determined hockey player last night. To set up Mullen's game-winner, ...
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...w=1366&bih=616

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11-22-2011, 05:49 PM
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Unfortunately, that's all I can find.
That's a pretty good find. I have come across some references to Cam Davidson before and next time I do I'll pass them your way to build the bio more.

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11-23-2011, 08:54 AM
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Friday is Voting Day

Send votes for both divisional finals to Dave G with the match winner and three stars.

All present AAAers please vote, and any past ATD boarders are eligible to contribute their judgments too!

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11-26-2011, 12:35 AM
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Many of you are late! Come on, send Dave G your votes ASAP.

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11-29-2011, 11:19 PM
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Because I said I would get this info:

Iain Fyffe says:

I have Dukowski playing wing in 1922, 1925 and 1926, and some in 1924. Defence in all other seasons.

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11-30-2011, 07:11 AM
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Dutkowski was a left wing STAR, that's right, a 5'10 185 lbs. FORWARD, when played senior amateur hockey for the Regina Pats before switching to the Regina Vics and winning championships with that team in 1919, 1920, and 1921 after being an Allan Cup finalist in 1918 and Memorial Cup finalist in 1919.



So was he 6th in NHL points among dmen in 1930? Or part of that time as a forward? 9th in NHL points 1933 among dmen? he has been touted on this board before as four times top-4 in defenseman scoring in the WCHL/WHL but that is called into question. Did he really play every game as a blueliner in those seasons? The fact that he was a forward first and foremost early in his career, suggests he took the early era typical route of MOVING to the blueline later in one's career, a pretty common tactic to extend one's career when one slows down.

c/lw:
http://www.reginapatshistory.com/200...-patricia.html

http://www.reginapatshistory.com/200...s-started.html

'primarily' a d in the nhl:
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...so&um=1&itbs=1

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11-30-2011, 10:40 AM
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If we were to boil it down to one simplistic sentence - yes, he was a dman in the NHL and a forward before that. He should not be touted for being top-4 in defense scoring four times in the WCHL. I believe i'd have said that myself when I introduced him in AA10.

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11-30-2011, 06:20 PM
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Since discussion continues, the voting day won't be Friday this week,... let's extend the draft final series through the weekend!

Next Monday is Voting Day.

Until then, everyone throw a comment or two onto the match-up thread!

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This Monday is Voting Day.

Send to Dave G your vote on the championship winner, over how many games, and the series three stars.

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12-05-2011, 11:32 PM
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AAA All-star Rosters (positions forced, to reflect rankings)

1st Team:

Coach - Sid Abel (GAR)
Assistant Coach - Dave King (HCD)

Alexander Semin (MTL) - Jimmy Carson (StJ) - Sergei Svetlov (HCD)
Jeff O'Neill (PHI) - Mike Walton (QCM) - Earl Robinson (REG)
Val Fonteyne (HCD) - Bill Clement (REG) - David Legwand (StJ)
Tom Fergus (SPR) - Larry Popein (QCM) - Ric Seiling (StJ)
Paul Stastny (SPR) - Real Chevrefils (StJ)

Igor Romishevsky (HCD) - Scotty Bowman (REG)
Al Dewsbury (QCM) - Keith Brown (GAR)
Leo Lamoreux (SPR) - Al MacNeil (StJ)
Gord Murphy (REG)

Guy Hebert (DET)
Herbert Collins (REG)

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2nd Team:

Coach: Ron Wilson (REG)
Associate Coach: Cooney Weiland (SPR)

John Anderson (StJ) - Christian Bordeleau (GAR) - Viktor Polupanov (REG)
Oliver Seibert (HCD) - Nils Nilsson (SPR) - Pelle Eklund (DET)
Pete Horeck (REG) - Claude Lapointe (HCD) - Dave Hannan (PHI)
Bryan Smolinski (MTL) - Earl Ingarfield (REG) - Willy Lindstrom (DET)
Wayne Connelly (QCM) - Lucien DeBlois (REG) - Bert McCaffrey (REG)

Murray Henderson (PHI) - Kevin McCarthy (SPR)
Robert Picard (SPR) - Paul Cavallini (StJ)
Larry Cahan (SPR) - Tom Kurvers (PHI)
Nikolai Makarov (REG)

Seth Martin (HCD)
Jake Forbes (StJ)


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notes:

- still don't understand Eklund's popularity.

- it may sound like sour grapes, but I think Ingarfield is clearly better than Popein, they are an easy direct comparison.

- Every top-6 F with 4+ votes and every bottom-6 F with 3+ votes got a spot here.

- Every D-man with 3+ votes earned a spot.

- Goaltending voting was dominated by these four. Palmateer and Brodeur comfortable gaps behind. Then, Viktor Zinger, the backup who earned three fifth-place votes!

- The only four spares/assistants to earn 3+ votes are represented here: King, Stastny, Chevrefils, McCaffrey and Murphy.

- The spares/assistants on the 2nd team (Connelly, DeBlois, Makarov, Weiland) earned more recognition than any other actual spares in the voting, so they earned their spare spots over the likes of McDonald, Carpenter and Dukowski - all of whom could play in starting lineups in this draft, too.

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12-06-2011, 12:08 PM
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Lamoreux is the best defenseman in this draft.

Okay, while I like him better than Romishevsky and Bowman, I can see the arguments in their favor. There is no way that Dewsbury or Brown was better than Lamoreux, though.

Call me a homer, but Zajac should have gotten some votes. If Erixon got all those votes for his Selke record in the MLD, Zajac surely should have gotten a least a little consideration for having the best Selke record at the AAA draft level.

On to other teams:

I thought Seth Martin was clearly the most accomplished goalie at this level. The only question mark about him was why he never got a shot in the NHL and VI answered that. Still don't understand the love for Jake Forbes - IMO, the only thing that can be said about him is that he was good enough to maintain a starter's job in a smaller league, but past that, we don't know much.

How did Andy McDonald not get voted in as one of the best spares?


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There is actually a solid case to be made for Brown. Don't be too quick to say that a guy who got some allstar votes in WW2 and the postwar recovery, was better than a "blah" 1980s defenseman with strong longevity. Brown was frequently Chicago's top ES minute muncher, despite the presence of Bob Murray and Doug Wilson. He did pretty well for himself. Not saying he is better for sure, and Lamoreux almost certainly has the better one (maybe two) season peak, but it is arguable that Brown ultimately delivered more value as a player.

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