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10-02-2011, 09:13 PM
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Sabres sign Matt MacKenzie (3 yr ELC, $1.8m, $600k/yr)

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renhockey #sabres Matt McKenzie (#83 2010) 3 years / 1.575 + 225 000 SB (2 way)
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Well, that's a pleasant surprise.

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Wonder what this means for Joe Finley, if anything. He certainly deserves at least an AHL contract.

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Looks like Rochester has a stacked blueline as well.

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With him being AHL eligible, I doubt they send him back and burn the contract year since he's 20.

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With him being AHL eligible, I doubt they send him back and burn the contract year since he's 20.
I would really think (hope) that the deal means he's in Rochester. I think it'd be dumb otherwise, for the reason you mentioned - unless, of course, that somehow wouldn't eat a year of the deal? jfb?

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I would really think (hope) that the deal means he's in Rochester. I think it'd be dumb otherwise, for the reason you mentioned - unless, of course, that somehow wouldn't eat a year of the deal? jfb?
I think he may actually start in Gwinnett. Doesn't seem to be any room for him at the moment.

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I think he may actually start in Gwinnett. Doesn't seem to be any room for him at the moment.
Roster space is an issue, but would that make sense over sending him back to Jr's without a deal?

I'm not seeing the logic in signing him and sending him to the E

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I would really think (hope) that the deal means he's in Rochester. I think it'd be dumb otherwise, for the reason you mentioned - unless, of course, that somehow wouldn't eat a year of the deal? jfb?
He's considered to be 20 according to entry-level slide rules (he's 19 now, but turns 20 before the end of the calendar year), so the contract starts this season, no matter where he plays.

Him playing in Gwinnett is likely, I'd say, since they can freely assign him there without his permission since he's on an ELC.
He'll get big minutes down there.

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I count 7:

TJB
Biega
Feinhage
McNabb
Persson
Crawford
ShaMo

edit: Finley is listed on the Amerks' official roster on their site.... so that'd be 8 if he's truly in the mix...

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Roster space is an issue, but would that make sense over sending him back to Jr's without a deal?

I'm not seeing the logic in signing him and sending him to the E
I don't see any issue with him being sent to the ECHL. It's not a bad league and is a step up from juniors. This is the whole point of them affiliating with Gwinnett.

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He's considered to be 20 according to entry-level slide rules (he's 19 now, but turns 20 before the end of the calendar year), so the contract starts this season, no matter where he plays.

Him playing in Gwinnett is likely, I'd say, since they can freely assign him there without his permission since he's on an ELC.
He'll get big minutes down there.
But does Gwinnett make more sense than TC? Or am I missing something?

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It will be interesting to see what happens to Fienhage now too. Do they sign him or Finley to AHL-level deals or just walk away? Finley seems to have impressed a bit and the dude has some interesting tools to go with that size but do they really go 9 or 10 deep on the farm?

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I don't see any issue with him being sent to the ECHL. It's not a bad league and is a step up from juniors. This is the whole point of them affiliating with Gwinnett.
Truth...good point. I just envisioned him staying with TC until this signing

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It will be interesting to see what happens to Fienhage now too. Do they sign him or Finley to AHL-level deals or just walk away? Finley seems to have impressed a bit and the dude has some interesting tools to go with that size but do they really go 9 or 10 deep on the farm?

TJB
Biega
McNabb
Schiestel
Crawford
ShaMo

MacKenzie, Finley, Feinhage

Who am I missing?

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But does Gwinnett make more sense than TC? Or am I missing something?
Sure.
Because MacKenzie is a '91, he's already played almost four full seasons in the WHL, which is the maximum most drafted players play.
There's not really much more that he'd accomplish in Tri-City because he's already very familiar with the league and he doesn't really have any glaring holes in his game.

I guess this is why he mentioned "payday" after their first exhibition game.

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TJB
Biega
McNabb
Schiestel
Crawford
ShaMo

MacKenzie, Finley, Feinhage

Who am I missing?
Persson.

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Sure.
Because MacKenzie is a '91, he's already played almost four full seasons in the WHL, which is the maximum most drafted players play.
There's not really much more that he'd accomplish in Tri-City because he's already very familiar with the league and he doesn't really have any glaring holes in his game.

I guess this is why he mentioned "payday" after their first exhibition game.
It's a good move -- new challenge and new league, no opportunity to get complaicent going back to Tri-City, etc... -- and opens up more of a possibility that they make a minor-league defenseman for minor-league forward type move too. Granted, the minor club tends to use 10-ish D year-to-year as well, so rather than having to hunt someone up, they have guys they know better coming in. Heck, two years ago, the Pirates had 15 different guys dress on the blueline. They had 13 last year. That's a lot of upheaval.

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Persson.
Yep - and I missed Schiestel the first time around.
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Sure.
Because MacKenzie is a '91, he's already played almost four full seasons in the WHL, which is the maximum most drafted players play.
There's not really much more that he'd accomplish in Tri-City because he's already very familiar with the league and he doesn't really have any glaring holes in his game.

I guess this is why he mentioned "payday" after their first exhibition game.
Can't argue with this.

Just curious, forgive my lack of knowledge on the topic...but would he be considered an overager if he went back to the W? Despite the amount of seasons, he's still only 20, so I'd think not?

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It's a good move -- new challenge and new league, no opportunity to get complaicent going back to Tri-City, etc... -- and opens up more of a possibility that they make a minor-league defenseman for minor-league forward type move too. Granted, the minor club tends to use 10-ish D year-to-year as well, so rather than having to hunt someone up, they have guys they know better coming in. Heck, two years ago, the Pirates had 15 different guys dress on the blueline. They had 13 last year. That's a lot of upheaval.
I was going to mention the injury thing. Depth is never bad, either.

Let's say we sign Feinhage and Parker. Would we have any other ECHL-relegate possibilities at our leisure? Trying to get a handle as to how we'd handle the Amerks' roster with everybody in the picture.

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It's a good move -- new challenge and new league, no opportunity to get complaicent going back to Tri-City, etc... -- and opens up more of a possibility that they make a minor-league defenseman for minor-league forward type move too. Granted, the minor club tends to use 10-ish D year-to-year as well, so rather than having to hunt someone up, they have guys they know better coming in. Heck, two years ago, the Pirates had 15 different guys dress on the blueline. They had 13 last year. That's a lot of upheaval.
Exactly. May seem like a lot of players now, but they most certainly will use them all at some point, including Fiehnage and Finley as well if they get signed.

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Exactly. May seem like a lot of players now, but they most certainly will use them all at some point, including Fiehnage and Finley as well if they get signed.
Let's say both get signed. Say ShaMo stays put, too. What would be your pecking order of the 9 or 10 guys in terms of ranking going into the season, 1 to last?

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Yep - and I missed Schiestel the first time around.


Can't argue with this.

Just curious, forgive my lack of knowledge on the topic...but would he be considered an overager if he went back to the W? Despite the amount of seasons, he's still only 20, so I'd think not?
Yes, any player that turns 20 during the calendar year that begins a season is considered an overage player.

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I was going to mention the injury thing. Depth is never bad, either.

Let's say we sign Feinhage and Parker. Would we have any other ECHL-relegate possibilities at our leisure? Trying to get a handle as to how we'd handle the Amerks' roster with everybody in the picture.
If everyone is healthy at all three levels? Heh. That's not going to happen.

I would think they have more to look at up front due to the Hecht injury and them carrying extra bodies on the European trip (Ellis and MacIntyre). Lagace, Legault, Parker (if signed), Varone could all be fringe enough to be assigned to Gwinnett. It depends on Rolston and camp. It wouldn't surprise to see two or three of them sent down, both to get bigger minutes and also to firm up the Amerk forward roster.

On the backend, the top 7 look set, but that still may not be finalized as the Morrisonn situation plays out --- do they find a taker for him and bring back some salary (perhaps at forward) that they then waive down to the Amerks? -- as well as having a quality group of six kids already. MacKenzie gives them an 8th, Finley and/or Fienhage would be 9/10.

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Let's say both get signed. Say ShaMo stays put, too. What would be your pecking order of the 9 or 10 guys in terms of ranking going into the season, 1 to last?
It's tough since I didn't see many of them play last year.

Schiestel
Persson
Biega
Morrisonn
Brennan
McNabb

I guess I would put Crawford as the 7th. Finley as the 8th and Fiehnage and Mackenzie in Gwinnett.

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