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10-03-2011, 11:32 AM
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I'd actually refer to it as a "depth upgrade". It doesn't matter what position your looking to upgrade. Its still classified as an "upgrade". When it comes down to it, every team is looking to upgrade if the opportunity arises.
They lost Ryder, Kaberle and Recchi. Hardly anything was upgraded.

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10-03-2011, 11:36 AM
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They lost Ryder, Kaberle and Recchi. Hardly anything was upgraded.
I agree, but to say once a team wins the cup they stop looking to upgrade is just nonsense.

They lost those guys to FA/Retirement, so what did they do? They went and looked for an upgrade.

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10-03-2011, 11:37 AM
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What would the Leafs offer for Rene Bourque?
What would the Flames want?

MacArthur + Brad Ross +/- ?

Edit: MacArthur because Leafs would have to send salary + good prospect in Ross who was last years 2nd rounder... Both are Alberta boys.

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10-03-2011, 11:40 AM
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What would the Leafs offer for Rene Bourque?
Bozak and Gunnarsson.

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10-03-2011, 11:41 AM
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Rangers and Oilers are two teams really needing and looking for D help, those are the first places the Leafs should look.

Who's available on those teams though for top 2 line talent the Leafs want though?
Not much available for top two line talent on the Oil. Hemsky, but it would cost a lot. Maybe Omark, but he hasn't really proven to be top two line talent.

So maybe something like Hemsky for either Aulie or Macarthur and a first. But I'm sure the Leafs aren't looking for a guy like Hemsky if they are looking for size.

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10-03-2011, 12:00 PM
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What???

i thought Lombardi and Franson were the leaf's missing pieces?!

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10-03-2011, 12:04 PM
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So Chiarelli's job is done now? He wasn't and won't be looking for possible ways to improve the team?

So the the dynasty has begun I guess.

at the guy who cheers for a team who just ended a long cup drought and now proceeds to take shots at other fanbases, feeling entitled with his recently found success...

Classy.
What? Are you insinuating I'm only posting critically of the Leafs because Boston won the cup last year? History dictates that's not the case at all. We all talk about this every year, Toronto is always "rumored" to be after the biggest names out there through trade, or the big UFA's are just about ready to sign in TO, etc... It's so cliche now Toronto rumors are rarely taken seriously. That has nothing to do with Boston winning the cup.

Again, Toronto looking for major upgrades isn't a big shocker. They need it, as they have for quite some time now. To be expected when you haven't made the playoffs since the lockout... no?

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I'd actually refer to it as a "depth upgrade". It doesn't matter what position your looking to upgrade. Its still classified as an "upgrade". When it comes down to it, every team is looking to upgrade if the opportunity arises.
If you think Benoit Pouliot is an upgrade over Mark Recchi you're wrong. If you think Joe Corvo is an upgrade over Kaberle I'd again disagree. Neither are upgrades, Corvo is simply more cost effective.

The Leafs go through more turnover then a call center.

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10-03-2011, 12:08 PM
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What???

i thought Lombardi and Franson were the leaf's missing pieces?!
No silly, Franson and Lombardi are two NHL players Burke got for two AHL players... It's a deal Burke couldn't pass up whether Poile was high or not...

More long term, they need a gritty and versatile top 6 LW with size that can add some offense...


But hey, next time Poile is experimenting with crack, we'd love to trade you Franson and Lombardi back for someone like Fisher and Weber... Similar value differential as the first trade, wouldn't ya say?

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10-03-2011, 12:12 PM
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burke has been looking for a top 6 forward with size for going on 3 years now. this is just a classic go-to for guys like dreger on slow news days.

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What would the Flames want?

MacArthur + Brad Ross +/- ?

Edit: MacArthur because Leafs would have to send salary + good prospect in Ross who was last years 2nd rounder... Both are Alberta boys.
There might be a fit somewhere in here, what is MacArthur's cap hit?

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10-03-2011, 12:20 PM
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Oh my gosh the leafs wanna hav doughty and crosby and ovechkin and stall bros. mayb subban 2 idn lol xD
Subban blows

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What? Are you insinuating I'm only posting critically of the Leafs because Boston won the cup last year? History dictates that's not the case at all. We all talk about this every year, Toronto is always "rumored" to be after the biggest names out there through trade, or the big UFA's are just about ready to sign in TO, etc... It's so cliche now Toronto rumors are rarely taken seriously. That has nothing to do with Boston winning the cup.

Again, Toronto looking for major upgrades isn't a big shocker. They need it, as they have for quite some time now. To be expected when you haven't made the playoffs since the lockout... no?
That's exactly what I'm insinuating.

Who's we? I don't represent the fan base, nor do you. We're two individuals and I wouldn't hold you accountable for something someone else said. I'd expect the same courtesy.

Turnover yes, Burke took the team in complete shambles. JFJ and the whole boardroom approach hadn't worked despite repeated efforts and it was time for a change...

Burke made significant upgrades in every area possible and te team is finally in a position to contend for a playoff spot... Realistically its the first time since the lockout... So yes, they were in need of some 'major upgrades' and they've made them....

I'm not suggesting Burke's work is done by any stretch of the imagination... But saying the team is still in need of 'major upgrades' shows your dislike for the Leafs is much stronger then your ability to think logically and objectively.

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10-03-2011, 12:24 PM
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There might be a fit somewhere in here, what is MacArthur's cap hit?
3.6 for two more years.

I just saw Bourque is 3.3, that's a hell of a bargain.

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10-03-2011, 12:32 PM
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The guy I really want on the Leafs is Hemsky. When the guy is healthy he plays a great game, he's not afraid to crash the net and is extremely skilled. A top unit of Kulemin-Grabovski-Hemsky looks great.

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That's exactly what I'm insinuating.

Who's we? I don't represent the fan base, nor do you. We're two individuals and I wouldn't hold you accountable for something someone else said. I'd expect the same courtesy.

Turnover yes, Burke took the team in complete shambles. JFJ and the whole boardroom approach hadn't worked despite repeated efforts and it was time for a change...

Burke made significant upgrades in every area possible and te team is finally in a position to contend for a playoff spot... Realistically its the first time since the lockout... So yes, they were in need of some 'major upgrades' and they've made them....

I'm not suggesting Burke's work is done by any stretch of the imagination... But saying the team is still in need of 'major upgrades' shows your dislike for the Leafs is much stronger then your ability to think logically and objectively.
The same question remains since Burke got to TO, Whose the top line Center? Whose going to step up when needed most? This questions are still unanswered, becaues Phil Kessel is not the answer to any of those. Also the leadership on this team is terrible, major upgrades are still needed, if it wasnt for Reimer going on a major tear they are bottom of the East Conf. And thats another no one knows if Reimer is the real deal yet.

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10-03-2011, 12:36 PM
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No silly, Franson and Lombardi are two NHL players Burke got for two AHL players... It's a deal Burke couldn't pass up whether Poile was high or not...

More long term, they need a gritty and versatile top 6 LW with size that can add some offense...


But hey, next time Poile is experimenting with crack, we'd love to trade you Franson and Lombardi back for someone like Fisher and Weber... Similar value differential as the first trade, wouldn't ya say?
Poile dumped salary. Nothing more nothing less. Franson is a poor mans Souray without the toughness and Lombardi is another hit away from being retired.

Meanwhile Nashville saved a ton of money and have made the playoffs like 5 years in a row. Poile is one of the best GM's in the league and will certainly make better use of that money than spent on Lombardi and Franson.

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10-03-2011, 12:37 PM
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The guy I really want on the Leafs is Hemsky. When the guy is healthy he plays a great game, he's not afraid to crash the net and is extremely skilled. A top unit of Kulemin-Grabovski-Hemsky looks great.
He would be a nice piece for the leafs to have ,but i would think they want more than toronto would be willing to give up

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The guy I really want on the Leafs is Hemsky. When the guy is healthy he plays a great game, he's not afraid to crash the net and is extremely skilled. A top unit of Kulemin-Grabovski-Hemsky looks great.
Hemsky is hurt again... Him and Connolly on the same team guarantees they'd at least lead in man games lost to injury..

I get the impression Burke is looking to climb te standings, not the underwhelming stat categories.

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Poile dumped salary. Nothing more nothing less. Franson is a poor mans Souray without the toughness and Lombardi is another hit away from being retired.

Meanwhile Nashville saved a ton of money and have made the playoffs like 5 years in a row. Poile is one of the best GM's in the league and will certainly make better use of that money than spent on Lombardi and Franson.
You're right, Franson lost all value because he got traded to Toronto. Lombardi is a risk, but Nashville was smart to keep him out of the lineup for the season, and is playing with Toronto. I think Burke and co. will be careful with Lombardi.

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No silly, Franson and Lombardi are two NHL players Burke got for two AHL players... It's a deal Burke couldn't pass up whether Poile was high or not...

More long term, they need a gritty and versatile top 6 LW with size that can add some offense...


But hey, next time Poile is experimenting with crack, we'd love to trade you Franson and Lombardi back for someone like Fisher and Weber... Similar value differential as the first trade, wouldn't ya say?
Big words about a guy who has consistently built a playoff team with one of the lowest budgets in the league. When's the last time the Leafs have made the playoffs with their gazillions of dollars?

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Poile dumped salary. Nothing more nothing less. Franson is a poor mans Souray without the toughness and Lombardi is another hit away from being retired.

Meanwhile Nashville saved a ton of money and have made the playoffs like 5 years in a row. Poile is one of the best GM's in the league and will certainly make better use of that money than spent on Lombardi and Franson.
Sugar-coat it as much as you like to make it more palatable for you. It's fine but even as a salary dump the deal was a steal for the Leafs. Definitely not Poiles best move by ANY stretch.

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You're right, Franson lost all value because he got traded to Toronto. Lombardi is a risk, but Nashville was smart to keep him out of the lineup for the season, and is playing with Toronto. I think Burke and co. will be careful with Lombardi.
Franson was always overrated. He was a byproduct of Trotz airtight system. When the deal happened and everyone was saying who the winner and losers were I said Franson was the big loser because he wouldn't be playing for Trotz anymore and will get exposed.

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The same question remains since Burke got to TO, Whose the top line Center? Whose going to step up when needed most? This questions are still unanswered, becaues Phil Kessel is not the answer to any of those. Also the leadership on this team is terrible, major upgrades are still needed, if it wasnt for Reimer going on a major tear they are bottom of the East Conf. And thats another no one knows if Reimer is the real deal yet.
I could have sworn I had you on ignore, just for uneducated posts such as this.

Kessel is the 3rd most valuable forward.. Burke is still working on insulating him and has done an unbelievable job with the few chips JFJ left behind.

Leadership is terrible in what way? I'm pretty sure anyone who watched the team progress over the past 2 seasons ha seen the culture change. Phaneuf, Schenn, Armstrong, Grabovski, Komisarek; All aforementioned bring various leadership qualities.

People can sip their hateraide all they want... It doesn't change the fact that the Leafs are in the best position they've been in a very long time speaking from an organizational standpoint. The team is deep with talented youth from top to bottom.

The one big need is a true number one centre...and they don't grow on trees. Half the teams in the league are looking for one... Playoff teams included.

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Hemsky is hurt again... Him and Connolly on the same team guarantees they'd at least lead in man games lost to injury..

I get the impression Burke is looking to climb te standings, not the underwhelming stat categories.
Hemsky is NOT hurt. Where do you get your info?

Leafs don't have the spare assets to trade for Hemsky anyhow - except maybe their 1st.

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Big words about a guy who has consistently built a playoff team with one of the lowest budgets in the league. When's the last time the Leafs have made the playoffs with their gazillions of dollars?
Poile is a good GM, but even the best have a few they'd like to do over.

Gotta love people on the playoff hang up.

Yes, the Leafs were mis-managed for years, we all watched it... Having money means nothing, unless you know how to spend it...

The organization has finally given autonomy to a guy who knows what he's doing... He was left with a group in shambles and tore it down to the ground before re-building it... There's literally only like 3 people that remain in the entire organization since Burke took over..

Leafs are on their way up and have neve had a more promising future in my lifetime...

I understand the outside skepticism... So may all the skeptics watch as the team rises from lottery contender to cup contender in the coming years.

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