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10-03-2011, 09:44 PM
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Rank these 3 Prospect Dmen

Justin Schultz
Brayden McNabb
Martin Marincin

None of them are destined for the NHL any sooner then 2012-13.....even then is a bit unlikely.

All have excellent #2 Dmen type upside.

What is their ETA, upside and likelyhood of reaching upside.

Thanks for any and all input.


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10-03-2011, 11:01 PM
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Anyone? Nothings worse then starting a thread, getting a bunch of views and nobody responding.

These threads can get momentum...

like 17 views and no responses, there is some hope

38 views, no responses, going down hill fast....

once you get to like 60-100 views with no responses your pretty much done.

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10-03-2011, 11:37 PM
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I don't know anything about the latter two but Anaheim is very high on Schultz. Ducks management saw Schultz as a better prospect than Jake Gardiner when both were Anaheim property and tried to sign him to an ELC during the offseason but Schultz was always going back to Wisconsin for another year. If he did sign this year he would have probably played most of the year in the AHL with maybe a handful of games in Anaheim if either Fowler or Visnovsky got hurt.

He has amazing offensive upside but likely won't be good enough defensively to ever be a number one defenseman. I'd say the best case scenario is a he develops into a poor mans Mike Green (more of a #2-3 guy who puts up much closer to 40 points than 70) and the worst case scenario is he doesn't develop his defensive game and floats around the league as a journeyman PP specialist with a career similar to Marc Andre Bergeron (that's not a style comparison, it's a career comparison).

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10-04-2011, 12:06 AM
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Hmm thanks for the input Paul.

Yah it sounds like Schultz has more raw offensive upside or flair then Marincin and McNabb....

but since the other two are in the WHL are viewed more as prospects it is easy to overate them.

I think all 3 have #2 dman type of upside....but Schultz has NHL first unit PP-QB upside, whereas McNabb and Marincin are maybe not going to be as offensive in the pros.

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10-04-2011, 12:16 AM
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McNabb
Shultz
Marincin

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10-04-2011, 12:22 AM
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Justin Schultz
Brayden McNabb
Martin Marincin

None of them are destined for the NHL any sooner then 2012-13.....even then is a bit unlikely.

All have excellent #2 Dmen type upside.

What is their ETA, upside and likelyhood of reaching upside.

Thanks for any and all input.
Can't speak for the other two...but Schultz is most likely NHL bound next year. Not unlikely. He would've made it as the 6th guy this year but decided to finish college hockey.

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10-04-2011, 12:25 AM
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McNabb
Shultz
Marincin
So sad you know nothing about Marincin...

this was a completely guess, because putting him last on your list shows your hockey background.

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10-04-2011, 12:25 AM
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Can't speak for the other two...but Schultz is most likely NHL bound next year. Not unlikely. He would've made it as the 6th guy this year but decided to finish college hockey.
Right, but 2012-13 IS next season

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Right, but 2012-13 IS next season
Should've bolded the second part

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So sad you know nothing about Marincin...

this was a completely guess, because putting him last on your list shows your hockey background.
So sad you know nothing about McNabb or Shultz.

I've seen Marincin play before and I still like the other two better.

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10-04-2011, 01:12 AM
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Right, but 2012-13 IS next season
It was the unlikely portion that I think he had a problem with.

I can only speak on Marincin but the kid looks like a real steal at 46th overall. His gap control and stick checking was extremely impressive during the rookie tourny the Oilers took part in. He is quite tall and has a large frame that he still needs to grow into before he can become a true physical presence.

He showed impressive offensive upside in his first season in the dub scoring at a ppg rate for the first 50 games or so. This was also while speaking barely any English and adjusting to North American ice, most of the PG team tailed off at the end of the season as well. He has a rocket of a shot and is a solid option on the pp.

Generally I would say he has a well rounded game, and his skating is above average for his size, though I have limited viewings of him 5-7 games +WJ's.

From what I have seen / read I think his upside is a true #1 d-man, he obviously has a long way to go before reaching this though. He will play the year in the WHL and I expect at least a full season in the AHL after this. From there probably a season split between the AHL/NHL before hopefully playing full time in 14/15. Any dman becoming a #1 is quite unlikely but (call me a homer) I think Marincin has all the tools.

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10-04-2011, 01:40 AM
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It was the unlikely portion that I think he had a problem with.

I can only speak on Marincin but the kid looks like a real steal at 46th overall. His gap control and stick checking was extremely impressive during the rookie tourny the Oilers took part in. He is quite tall and has a large frame that he still needs to grow into before he can become a true physical presence.

He showed impressive offensive upside in his first season in the dub scoring at a ppg rate for the first 50 games or so. This was also while speaking barely any English and adjusting to North American ice, most of the PG team tailed off at the end of the season as well. He has a rocket of a shot and is a solid option on the pp.

Generally I would say he has a well rounded game, and his skating is above average for his size, though I have limited viewings of him 5-7 games +WJ's.

From what I have seen / read I think his upside is a true #1 d-man, he obviously has a long way to go before reaching this though. He will play the year in the WHL and I expect at least a full season in the AHL after this. From there probably a season split between the AHL/NHL before hopefully playing full time in 14/15. Any dman becoming a #1 is quite unlikely but (call me a homer) I think Marincin has all the tools.
Hey look, it's a person with a legitimate opinion of a player that they've actually seen play! Wow really? Marincin actually exists? Well i should probably go google him then.


Marincin


The other two

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10-04-2011, 01:40 AM
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So sad you know nothing about McNabb or Shultz.

I've seen Marincin play before and I still like the other two better.
I've seen those two play. You're guessing. You really are. You picked the two fancy names to be better. You probably don't even know what country Marincin is from, where he was drafted, what team he's on, what his stats look like, or something as simple as his height.

No jokes, you are completely guessing here. No one in their right minds would justify your list. Just admit it, you had no idea who Marincin was when you opened this thread.

I just hate it when people put their 2 cents out there without prefacing that they're basing their posts on nothing. Just a hunch based on Western names that sound like famous football players and maginal hockey players.

I'll show you what you're doing.

EG 1. Task: Please rank the following fictitious hockey players in terms of potential and overall skill

Players to be ranked: Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, Gordie Hamilton, Ashton Ching, Trenton Quoron, Zeke Mokhammad, Zam Portsby

To which you would respond:

"Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, and Gordie Hamilton are obviously on a completely different level than those other scrubs. Trust me i've seen them play."

Anyone can do this.


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10-04-2011, 08:42 AM
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McNabb is a top-tier Sabres prospect that everyone is pretty high on, but he didn't look all that great in his first trip to the next level...I don't believe he registered a single point at Traverse City or in the preseason...not great for a guy whose meal ticket will be as an offensive-defenseman.

No rush with him though, he'll be in Rochester all year and has plenty of time to get stronger and faster and learn the pro game.

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10-04-2011, 10:00 AM
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So McNabb is not going to back to the WHL?

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I've seen those two play. You're guessing. You really are. You picked the two fancy names to be better. You probably don't even know what country Marincin is from, where he was drafted, what team he's on, what his stats look like, or something as simple as his height.

No jokes, you are completely guessing here. No one in their right minds would justify your list. Just admit it, you had no idea who Marincin was when you opened this thread.

I just hate it when people put their 2 cents out there without prefacing that they're basing their posts on nothing. Just a hunch based on Western names that sound like famous football players and maginal hockey players.

I'll show you what you're doing.

EG 1. Task: Please rank the following fictitious hockey players in terms of potential and overall skill

Players to be ranked: Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, Gordie Hamilton, Ashton Ching, Trenton Quoron, Zeke Mokhammad, Zam Portsby

To which you would respond:

"Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, and Gordie Hamilton are obviously on a completely different level than those other scrubs. Trust me i've seen them play."

Anyone can do this.
You're an embarassment to Oiler fans.

To everyone else, ignore this guy.

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10-04-2011, 10:05 AM
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I've seen those two play. You're guessing. You really are. You picked the two fancy names to be better. You probably don't even know what country Marincin is from, where he was drafted, what team he's on, what his stats look like, or something as simple as his height.

No jokes, you are completely guessing here. No one in their right minds would justify your list. Just admit it, you had no idea who Marincin was when you opened this thread.

I just hate it when people put their 2 cents out there without prefacing that they're basing their posts on nothing. Just a hunch based on Western names that sound like famous football players and maginal hockey players.

I'll show you what you're doing.

EG 1. Task: Please rank the following fictitious hockey players in terms of potential and overall skill

Players to be ranked: Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, Gordie Hamilton, Ashton Ching, Trenton Quoron, Zeke Mokhammad, Zam Portsby

To which you would respond:

"Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, and Gordie Hamilton are obviously on a completely different level than those other scrubs. Trust me i've seen them play."

Anyone can do this.
Dude what is wrong with you?

PycckuuRocket10 is one of the more respected posters around here.

I think the fact that these 3 dmen are controversial shows that they are relatively even.

Additionally while none of these guys are "A" grade Drew Doughty type of prospects, they are all pretty impressive for being ranked where they were. And have raised their stock huge, post draft.

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10-04-2011, 10:50 AM
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I've seen those two play. You're guessing. You really are. You picked the two fancy names to be better. You probably don't even know what country Marincin is from, where he was drafted, what team he's on, what his stats look like, or something as simple as his height.

No jokes, you are completely guessing here. No one in their right minds would justify your list. Just admit it, you had no idea who Marincin was when you opened this thread.

I just hate it when people put their 2 cents out there without prefacing that they're basing their posts on nothing. Just a hunch based on Western names that sound like famous football players and maginal hockey players.

I'll show you what you're doing.

EG 1. Task: Please rank the following fictitious hockey players in terms of potential and overall skill

Players to be ranked: Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, Gordie Hamilton, Ashton Ching, Trenton Quoron, Zeke Mokhammad, Zam Portsby

To which you would respond:

"Claude Forsberg, Wayne Lemieux, and Gordie Hamilton are obviously on a completely different level than those other scrubs. Trust me i've seen them play."

Anyone can do this.

Hypocrite much? I guarantee you haven't seen enough of McNabb and/or Schultz to have an opinion. what a clown.

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10-04-2011, 11:05 AM
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okay let's ignore teddy pain and get back to the topic at hand....

one thing to consider is organizational depth...

McNabb is behind a lot of long term depth in Ehrhoff, Myers, Regehr, Gragnani, Sekera, etc, etc

Marincin along with Klefbom and Musil are going to get a good chance in Oil Country because the Oilers need good young d.

Schultz is going to be in stiff competition with Fowler, Sbisa, Vatanen etc for ice time long term.

Mind you with Schultz being a big RH shot...can you imagine a PP in a few years of

Fowler - Schultz
Perry - Getzlaf - Ryan

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