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10-04-2011, 10:45 AM
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im not really sure how they could really improve this team outside of getting a true impact player.

those players teams usually get for their postseason runs...guys like Gagne for example, arent really much of an improvement over anything we have in house. i mean, who on our regular roster are we looking to upgrade...i can really only think of 1 spot on the entire roster, thats 1LW...everything beyond that we are locked up with young, talented players, or strong role players with low salary numbers.

if we had major injuries up front or on the back end, then this team is no longer a stanley cup competitor, so i WOULDNT want them to be making panic trades then anyway.

i just dont see depth need on this team. they are already incredibly deep...so deep that a guy like Sean Avery is about to be waived because they cant find a spot for him. Guys like Ryan Bourque and Carl Hagelin, who looked damn close to being NHL ready are waiting in the wings up front, and Valentenko, despite his poor showing due to injury, is a solid callup option behind Erixon.

like i said, the cap space to me right now is worthless. keep avery.
Let's just say that, at the deadline, Player A with a $5 million cap is available...Wolski's salary and that extra $1 million in cap space allows you more options. And, having more flexibility is very valuable at the deadline.

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Oh boy. 2 games! The horror!

Brooks is, as usual, stuck with his head up his ass. Spot on? How so? They brought Avery over as a courtesy to him. They let him play in the game in Sweden (don't remember the Slava game).

The writing was on the wall for him but I'm sure they were trying to trade him. Telling a guy to "stay home" does not help his trade value (if he ever had any, which it appears he did not). Bringing him along while staying quiet on his status is what any diligent team will do.

Again, Brooks is clueless and he has a clear vendetta against the Torts led Rangers.
theres a lot of it around here

but Torts made the right call with this

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3 goals, 76 games. This is the Sean Avery some of you are *****ing about losing.
No, not that guy.

We're complaining about losing the first guy to protect a teammate.

We're complaining about losing the guy that played better than HIS competition during the preseason for a specific roster spot and is getting shafted.

We're complaining because the guy who is going to actually get the nod for the spot that belonged to Avery (who earned it) is a one dimensional soft player.

We're complaining because for all the coach's talk about earning ice time just showed his true colors as being someone that is completely full of crap.

Guaranteed he just lost some of that locker room.

No one will miss Avery, he's not an important spoke in the wheel, but if the coach says you get what you earn and it's clear as day that Avery earned a spot, to reccomend him to be waived means you get what you earn, as long as the coach likes you.

Some respect has been lost for sure.

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No one deserves to have to spend a season in Hartford...hahahahaha. Yuck.

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RangerBoy can correct me on the math, but keeping 1.164m in space with Avery on the roster throughout the season allows us to add a ~4.5m-5m player at the deadline. Anything that's available at the deadline will be easily added whether we keep Avery on the roster or not. Unless something changes, that is... like calling up Erixon midway through the year. By the way, we add another 525k or 600k to the space when either Bell or Bickel gets sent down.

The decision to carry 13 forwards is cap driven. The personnel decision is not.
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Let's just say that, at the deadline, Player A with a $5 million cap is available...Wolski's salary and that extra $1 million in cap space allows you more options. And, having more flexibility is very valuable at the deadline.
Read above. A $5m player only costs the Rangers ~1.2m in cap if they acquire him at the deadline.

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Nooooo, I'm wearing my Avery shirt today! maybe I'm a prophet or something.

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Really? The guy who's brought our team back to respectablility Is a joke?
No, I wouldn't call Tom Renney, Henrik, or Jagr a joke.

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Not pleased with this move at all. Avery earned a spot this preseason imo

This is Torts being egotistical

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You must be confused, unless you're talking about Ryan Callahan.... 'Respect' and 'Sean Avery' do not belong in the same sentence.
I understand that the 1.9 mill cap figure and 1.9 mill salary was a little high but please tell me how are we planning to replace Sean's 3 goals???

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Another factor here is that, even in the case of an injury, the "13th forward" may not be the player being inserted into the lineup at that point. Maybe, knowing a player may be out for an extended period, the Rangers bring up a Bourque or Hagelin, knowing they'll get regular ice time. Why waste that extra space on a player who is not going to impact your regular lineup?

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1.9 mil a year for 7 minutes a game isn't worth it.

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Well what I'm getting at is that this is a business decision made by the General Manager, not the coach.... I know some will portray it as Tortorella waiving Avery but the reality is that this is a move by the GM.... It's not like Torts walks into Glen's office and says, "Well, EC made the team, place Sean on waivers...."
Im sure torts had his opinion heard. If torts said I want Avery on the team I'm sure he'd be on the team. Its no secret torts doesn't like Avery much. He didn't personally waive him but ultamitly it was he not wanting Avery. That or its bad gming not listening to your coach.

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Oh boy. 2 games! The horror!

Brooks is, as usual, stuck with his head up his ass. Spot on? How so? They brought Avery over as a courtesy to him. They let him play in the game in Sweden (don't remember the Slava game).

The writing was on the wall for him but I'm sure they were trying to trade him. Telling a guy to "stay home" does not help his trade value (if he ever had any, which it appears he did not). Bringing him along while staying quiet on his status is what any diligent team will do.

Again, Brooks is clueless and he has a clear vendetta against the Torts led Rangers.
On what planet since his Dallas debacle has Sean Avery ever had any trade value? And why would a team ever trade for him with that moronic cap hit that they would acquire thanks to that idiot Brett Hull? The Rangers have known since they reacquired him (when they were the already the only team in the NHL who would touch him) that there's zero market for him. You can't be serious here. It's looking like you're the one with the anti-Brooks vendetta.

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So we're using the worst goal season of his career to define a bottom 6 forward whose top job is not to produce offensively?

I guess you wouldn't care if we lost Brandon Prust either, right?
Brandon Prust scored 10 more goals than Avery. And I'm using Avery's most recent season. Too bad for the Avery love hangover from years ago crowd that happens to also be his worst.

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I wish I could have seen Christensen's reaction to this news. I wonder if he cracked that psychopath smile of his.

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Terrible move.

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You'd have to wonder how the Bruins, Penguins, Blackhawks, or Red Wings managed to win the Cup the last few years without Avery on their team from some of the comments in this thread.

We're debating about the 13th forward on the roster. If you think he should be getting 10+ minutes a game, thats your perogative, but Torts clearly had no intention of playing him to that extent. Carrying him as a healthy scratch would have led to more headaches than good. At the end of the day, waiving Avery gives us more flexibility to sign a veteran Dman in the event Staal or Sauer are out long term.

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No, not that guy.

We're complaining about losing the first guy to protect a teammate.
That would be Prust. A guy that would go after heavyweights after a dirty play not threaten non fighters.

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On what planet since his Dallas debacle has Sean Avery ever had any trade value? And why would a team ever trade for him with that moronic cap hit that they would acquire thanks to that idiot Brett Hull? The Rangers have known since they reacquired him (when they were the already the only team in the NHL who would touch him) that there's zero market for him. You can't be serious here. It's looking like you're the one with the anti-Brooks vendetta.
So... what is your point?

Avery is a cheap player. He had a decent pre-season. Clearly the Rangers did not WANT to waive him. They tried to trade him, failed. They keep him around to try and get him some playing time as a courtesy for him.

I don't see what is so hard about this to understand. Teams do this ALL the time. It's a known fact.

I have no idea what your post is about at all, for the record.

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Avery was useless last year. How many times did he get pinned in his end trying to get the puck out of the zone? 2M is too much and the Rangers need to get a D man.

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Let's just say that, at the deadline, Player A with a $5 million cap is available...Wolski's salary and that extra $1 million in cap space allows you more options. And, having more flexibility is very valuable at the deadline.
again, who is this player, is it just an incremental improvement? what else are we giving up?

im not interested in parting with prospects, draft picks, etc for a fleeting run at the playoffs.

i guess theoretically youre right, if someone wants to swap out and save a million you could do wolski for that player, where the 1 mil is covered by our open cap space.

but i find that scenario to be very unlikely, and again, i think the internal options to replace wolski going forward are the way to go. Kreider, Thomas, etc. And youre almost assured that that player will have a contract beyond this year, meaning you lose cap flexilibity going forward, which is something the rangers dont want...what we want is to lose those players...Wolski, fedotenko, possibly MZA so we can go and get Zach Parise.

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RangerBoy can correct me on the math, but keeping 1.164m in space with Avery on the roster throughout the season allows us to add a ~4.5m-5m player at the deadline. Anything that's available at the deadline will be easily added whether we keep Avery on the roster or not. Unless something changes, that is... like calling up Erixon midway through the year. By the way, we add another 525k or 600k to the space when either Bell or Bickel gets sent down.

The decision to carry 13 forwards is cap driven. The personnel decision is not.
But with Staal's post-concussion symptoms, the Rangers may be forced to sign or trade for another defenseman now. Zipay speculated they may need the extra space if Staal is out for some time.

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Perhaps Sean will hook up with a team close to Italy so he can help Georgio Armani plan the Armani fashion show for next fall. Hockey wasn't a top priority for Sean. He is more concerned with fashion. Gay marriage. His bar and restaurant business.

Brooks tweeted the Rangers would be on the hook for 1/2 of the $1.9375M if Avery was placed on re-entry. 3 teams paying Avery? Dallas would be not be responsible for their half if Sather placed Avery on re-entry and he was claimed. The NYR and claiming team would share the hit. If Avery is claimed on waivers,Dallas and claiming team share the hit.

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