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10-04-2011, 11:34 AM
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Bell and Bickel are on waivers today as well.

The Rangers now have 6 d-men.

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10-04-2011, 11:35 AM
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6 years of averaging over 11 goals and 33 points to go along with an ability to forecheck and cycle and set up teammates, drop the gloves, etc as a bottom six forward. Yeah, he's not good at hockey. Now just stick to those first three words and quit trying to act like it's not entirely about your dislike for the guy. Cause factually, there's no way your comment could ever be proven.
Not going to waste time with opinions good or bad.

Comes down to numbers.

How many goals did he score last season?
How many goals did he score this preseason?
How many goals did he score in last seasons playoffs?
What was his salary/cap number last season?
What is his salary/cap number this season?

How many teams are paying 1.9 mill to a guy that scored 3 goals?

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His "argument" is that Avery only scored 3 goals last year so why do people care. Prust is better defensively and kills penalties. Other than that?
Much better hitter. Much better fighter. Much better defensively.

He does three huge things at a MUCH higher skill level than Avery possesses. And I am an Avery fan.

He's also quite a bit cheaper. There is no argument at all that Avery is more valuable or a better player. None.

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Bell and Bickel are on waivers today as well.

The Rangers now have 6 d-men.
With an extra mill to play with do you think we have our eyes on another Dman?

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Oh no, the guy who didn't even have 1 point all preseason, and made a complete sideshow out of himself and the team, tattle tailing on Wayne Simmonds, got waived. Give me a ****ing break people, you don't win Stanley cups with guys like this on your roster.
Weird, the bruins just did. Avery has top6 ability who is also really effective as a bottom 6 player. It isn't a big deal, as the rangers now have a solid core that doesn't involve Avery. However a player like Avery is extremely rare and pretty valuable.

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So glad we kept a shootout specialist and soft ***** like EC who is Nedved part 2 instead of a guy with a sack.

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Bell and Bickel are on waivers today as well.

The Rangers now have 6 d-men.
Well, this is certainly interesting. Are we signing someone?

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With an extra mill to play with do you think we have our eyes on another Dman?
It has to be. I meant to say the Rangers only have (5) d-men currently as Staal is not going to play the first 2 games.

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10-04-2011, 11:38 AM
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they are similar players, but different in that avery is a MUCH better playmaker and goal scorer, Prust is tougher, and MUCH better defensively. speed wise they are comparable, Prust is definitely the smarter player.

id rather have prust than avery, but id rather have avery than EC...so.....
I don't disagree but the problem is that so many people on here are so completely stupid, and completely biased.

When you're making an argument in a condescending way that says something like "why do people care...he scored 3 goals last season" and you absolutely refuse to acknowledge his career, and the fact that he gets zero ice time, then how can that be a legitimate comment to make?

If Avery played 82 games on our third line and got Prust's 16 minutes a night, are there really people out there that think he's not putting up double digit goals and 30 points? He's done it every single year he's been in the league.

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It has to be. I meant to say the Rangers only have (5) d-men currently as Staal is not going to play the first 2 games.
Do you have anyone in mind? Is McCabe possible?

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You got your wish. Enjoy the Rangers being worse off with the invisible man known as Erik Christensen.
We're talking about the spare forward, here.

It's not going to make or break the season

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We all know the real reason Avery was placed on waivers, Philadelphia just waived Blair Betts and slats needs to make room for him!

In reality, let's face it he was never a Torts guy and for every good play he had two dumb penalties

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10-04-2011, 11:41 AM
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Not going to waste time with opinions good or bad.

Comes down to numbers.

How many goals did he score last season?
How many goals did he score this preseason?
How many goals did he score in last seasons playoffs?
What was his salary/cap number last season?
What is his salary/cap number this season?

How many teams are paying 1.9 mill to a guy that scored 3 goals?
Did you even read my post on the previous page?

Let's take your favorite player and give him the fewest minutes of any forward on the roster.

Then ask me if I give a **** about your stupid irrelevant questions.

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Much better hitter. Much better fighter. Much better defensively.

He does three huge things at a MUCH higher skill level than Avery possesses. And I am an Avery fan.

He's also quite a bit cheaper. There is no argument at all that Avery is more valuable or a better player. None.
Better hitter? Is measured how exactly? Better fighter? Sure, but Avery stands up for teammates also. It's not like that's a meaningful difference. Defesively, absolutely.

There is certainly an argument if you're trying to act like points matter.

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10-04-2011, 11:42 AM
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We're talking about the spare forward, here.

It's not going to make or break the season

Too much drama over the the 13th forward expected to be in the press box. And, if this is about bringing in another D-man, then it's even more over the top. Yes, I'd rather have Avery on the squad over Christensen, but, I don't think this is worth all this teeth-gnashing.

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Bottom line; the team got weaker today. This is a bad move; he can be fit under the cap unless we are bringing in a veteran d-man. I submit he is more valuable to the team than Fedetenko, Rupp, EC and Zucc at a minimum of the players that are likely to be on the opening night roster. Feds appears very slow. He tends to have a honeymoon period and then wears out his welcome. I think that is happening with us. We'll see.

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Can't believe this unless we sign a D man with the cap space

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I don't disagree but the problem is that so many people on here are so completely stupid, and completely biased.

When you're making an argument in a condescending way that says something like "why do people care...he scored 3 goals last season" and you absolutely refuse to acknowledge his career, and the fact that he gets zero ice time, then how can that be a legitimate comment to make?

If Avery played 82 games on our third line and got Prust's 16 minutes a night, are there really people out there that think he's not putting up double digit goals and 30 points? He's done it every single year he's been in the league.
But but but....3 goals last year

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Stop trying to infuse logic into a discussion when the guy you are arguing with has none.

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Did you even read my post on the previous page?

Let's take your favorite player and give him the fewest minutes of any forward on the roster.

Then ask me if I give a **** about your stupid irrelevant questions.
Players get minutes when they produce.

3 goals in 80 games isnt production.

3 goals in 80 games doesnt mandate another season at 1.9 mill salary/cap hit.

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Torts just doesn't like him. Just to clear something up: Sean still drew more penalties then he took last season. He may not be drawing as many as he used to but the 'stupid penalties' argument is exaggerated.

Sean played his ass off in the preseason. This decision had nothing to to with play. Torts must have made his decision long ago.

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i'd claim betts and send EC packing too

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Prust and Rupp can handle those duties from now on. Maybe not to the level Avery did but they also won't turn the game into a complete circus.

Neither of those guys plays that type of game, think Marchand from the Bruins.

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So it's official...you can chalk up another failed experiment to Sather's resume.

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I'm the one refusing to acknowledge years in the league when you're trying to argue against Sean Avery's production and refuse to comment on how in his 6 full seasons he has averages of over 11 goals and 33 points?

Prust is getting better and Avery is losing it? Based on what? Prust was given a much larger role. Again, look at the stats. Avery got 6 hours less ice time during the course of last season and put up 5 fewer points.

But Prust forechecks and fights and cycles and.....does all the things that Avery does.

Break the argument.
Avery puts himself above the team (not disciplined in taking unnecessary penalties, causing off-sides, breaking flow of the game etc) so with his price tag when he is not producing - he is detrimental to the team. I don't even want to argue about him vs. Prust (IMHO ridiculous argument where Avery should lose every time) but compared to EC - Erik is cheaper to carry as 13 forward which could allow the Rangers more flexibility if moves are needed to be made in the future (trades and AHL recalls).

From the locker room perspective the Rangers are now carried by its young(er) group mostly. So while I could see how Avery used to be "tamed" by the likes of Jagr and Shanahan with their undisputed reputations - we don't have these guys on the roster anymore. And even though they are not going to come out saying it in public - I can see how most of the current Rangers (Cally, Dubi, Boyle, Prust, Stepan, Staal, Girardi etc) would be wary and not accept Avery's public persona.

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But but but....3 goals last year

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Stop trying to infuse logic into a discussion when the guy you are arguing with has none.
My biggest problem is how people don't see how the team could actually be better with him.

And again I'm just using Prust as an example, but imagine if Prust was on the fourth line where he belonged? He can still kill penalties while getting fourth line minutes last I checked...

If that's how it was, Avery would have his double digit goals and 30+ points most likely. Then what would people's argument be?

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I don't understand how EC is so hated because Avery is waived? With the amount of attention EC gets, you'd think he was getting paid 5 million dollars. He gets under a million, will give you double digit goals, a point every couple nights and a huge win in the shootout if need be. Unreal.

On the Avery front, it sucks because he was actually very good in the few games I saw him in the preseason, but it was a business decision. He gets paid more. I don't think he was ever in competition with EC, that's just the way Torts spun it. I think he was in competition with the likes of Wolski and MZA who are making money more similar to his and they competed with him. When they both made it clear to the staff they were in, it became a big Avery v. EC thing when really it was never about EC. It was about the Rangers brass trying to save face for cutting a fan favorite.

This was business and the fact that EC is on the team and Avery isn't had nothing to do with performance. Avery has a bigger cap hit and therefore is gone. Simple as that. Hating EC doesn't change that. It could've been Avery vs. Weise and Avery would still be gone.

The hate for EC is unreal and unwarranted. You'd think he was Wade Redden with all this hate.

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