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10-05-2011, 01:02 PM
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Grossman and Pardy being out obviously means Larsen is staying for now. However, they cannot have 24 men on the roster so someone is going to have to go on IR or they have to send Vincour down. If someone goes on IR, Larsen's cap hit will help reduce the shortage assuming Glennie is healthy before 35-40 days on the NHL roster.
when exactly do they have to get down to 23 players? Is it before their first game or before the season officially starts?

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Someone on Defending Big D posted that since Glennie has not played an NHL in his career game, only his AHL salary would count toward the Stars cap. That sounds confusing enough to be true and would certainly complicate things.
agreed. its just weird enough to make sense. If it is the case glennies cap hit would be an incredibly small help.

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Oh man ....

Txomisc sent me a PM about a comment on Defending Big D that he wasn't familiar with. It said that Glennie will not count his full NHL contract because he hadn't played an NHL game or something to that effect.

That made me remember Luke Gazdic, in his first year as a pro, he hurt his shoulder in training camp. He was on the roster for a while, but he didn't count very much against the cap. I don't recall the formula or how they come up with his daily hit, but it is much less than his NHL cap hit.

I seem to remember that AHL players who get hurt in the NHL training camp also don't count the full hit of their NHL cap hit. IIRC, they are an average of their days spent on the NHL roster and AHL roster the previous season.

That obviously doesn't apply to Glennie, but I don't think it will be his AHL salary either.

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when exactly do they have to get down to 23 players? Is it before their first game or before the season officially starts?
Not 100% sure, but I believe tomorrow.

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geez this is a real clustereff isnt it? Itd be so much easier if we didnt have 50 contracts. Theres a couple pretty worthless guys who it would be nice to have off that list.

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Not 100% sure, but I believe tomorrow.
itll be a damn shame if we have to send vincour down because of this. Not that is a total disaster but so avoidable with a little more planning. Now we're sort of stuck hoping one of the 3 injured veterens is injured enough that he needs to go on IR.

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10-05-2011, 01:22 PM
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So I just found the article in the CBA regarding player injuries in training camp, but it doesn't seem to explain a person in Glennie's situation.

Players on one-way contracts or players who have played 50 or more games in the NHL in the previous season (regular and playoffs) are paid their NHL salary.

Guys on two-way contracts who have played less than 50 NHL games are paid based on the percentage of time spent in the NHL and AHL. For example, if a guy spends 20% of the year in the NHL, he is paid 20% of his NHL salary and 80% of his AHL salary while injured.

Glennie was technically on an amateur try out late last season, and I do not believe that will impact his cap hit.

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Another article from the CBA I was reading confirmed that the cap is calculated daily, and you can never fall below the average at any time.

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Another article from the CBA I was reading confirmed that the cap is calculated daily, and you can never fall below the average at any time.
so that also means a team right above the floor cant sell assets at teh deadline unless they bring in assets to stay above the floor?

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i found a new team to hate in the east... the new york rangers...

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i found a new team to hate in the east... the new york rangers...


This ultimately falls on Hull moreso than anything. We're lucky NYR took the re-entry waiver in the first place.. even half of that contract is an overpayent and we'd be stuck with it in the minors (affecting our internal budget) for the past 2 years otherwise. Don't blame the Rangers for getting rid of him 2 years after they took him.

Most teams would be ecstatic to get 2mil off the cap.

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I think Dallas is already at the 50-contract limit. Just signing a guy isn't going to work. They'd have to release someone at some level to make it happen.
Dallas have 50 players under contract but Campbell, Nemeth, Klingberg don't count since they are still junior aged. Dallas has currently 3 contracts spots openned.

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Pardys going on IR. Problem solved?

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i found a new team to hate in the east... the new york rangers...
Have disliked them for a while. Having Avery on their team and now Richards...uck.

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Pardys going on IR. Problem solved?
nah just gives them time to carry extra players before they really address the issue

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Pardy on IR also gets them to 23 people on the active roster.

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But they're still technically under the cap since the Glennie situation won't get them over it, yes?

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Brett Maclean anyone?

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Oh, what a day.

At least we'll be able to re-sign Benn, Goligoski, and Grossman when it's needed for practically any amount. And still have like $8M in cap space when we get our new owner.

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Okay, Larsen isn't in those capgeek numbers, so maybe they'll be okay with him up.

Unless Pardy playing only 30 games last season means his IR cap hit is less than his non-injured salary. Biggie?

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Brett Maclean anyone?
would be an interesting pickup but im not sure how we could manage it. I guess we could waive someone like petersen or barch. The coyotes really seem to be doing a poor job with young players latley.

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Okay, Larsen isn't in those capgeek numbers, so maybe they'll be okay with him up.
Yes, but he'd need to be up almost half of the season early on to be the solution to the problem. For right now, he just delays the need to figure something out.

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Unless Pardy playing only 30 games last season means his IR cap hit is less than his non-injured salary. Biggie?
Pardy is on a 1 way contract so the 50 game rule does not apply.

Mark said he felt like the Stars seemed confident that this would not be a major issue, and they'd be able to handle it. I'm not a CBA expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't see an easy solution short of having at least one player on IR at all times for the first half of the season (obviously Glennie won't get it done otherwise he'd be a perfect candidate).

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Given that the cap comes into play Friday, I'm okay with them going with a short-term solution and worrying about the future as it comes.

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