In goalie rankings. People consistently have the likes of Ryan Miller, Cam Ward, and even Carey Price ahead of Luongo. But based on what rationale?
I did a poll a couple months ago where I put Luongo's stats against Vokoun, Miller and Ward. I didn't use the goalie names, but labelled them Goalie A, B, C and D. Luongo won that poll hands down. But as soon as people see it's Luongo they automatically crap on him.
The undeserved hate towards Luongo is a joke
Luongo has a monkey on his back that won't be released until he wins a cup. He's had a couple very poor playoff performances and last season's "mixed bag", it doesn't instill a lot of confidence with people. Plus, he doesn't come off well in interviews. I understand why people don't like him...I don't really care much for him, but he's a very good goalie. If people want to pick Miller over Luongo, it has nothing to do with stats, it has more to do with a bias against him, for whatever reason. If they think he's prone to collapsing in big games then thats probably a bigger criteria than stats. It's not a big deal, it's up to Luongo to prove people wrong.
I don't see why some people are so upset at the reaction Luongo gets.
It seems to be right on par with whipping boys of the past before...Bure, Messier, Naslund, Cloutier, Bertuzzi..
Only difference is Luongo just makes it too easy for others to bash him.. he is an extremely cocky person who has thrown his teammates under the bus and has called out players on other teams.
The amount of haters he has in equaled in kind by the people are always on his nuts too.. there is no grey area... thousands and thousands of people always chanting "Luuuu" whenever he touches the puck.
This just isn't true. Quite a few Canucks have taken heaps of blame over the last few years for the playoff disappointments. Burrows and Kesler for their no-shows prior to last season. The Sedins for never really taking it to the next level. Bieksa for his three ring circus of a performance against Chicago. Demitra, Sundin, hell...even Ryan Johnson took some licks.
Luongo is an extremely high profile performer with this hockey club, and he's been a prime culprit in the playoff ousters of the last three years. Is putting all the blame on him fair? No. Is putting blame on him fair? Goodness, yes. On his best nights he's the finest goaltender we've ever had. He looks like he'll never allow another goal. Then the next night he looks like Dan Cloutier, and it seems like he'll never stop another shot. We've had disappointing playoff performers on this club before, but I can't remember the last time we had such a significant player be so inexplicably erratic. And when you look at how fragile this team tends to be...how dramatically they unravel when things go south...it's hard not to single out the guy who simply evaporates in net every now and then as part of the problem.
It's not entirely true. But it is to some extent. I've noticed that a lot of the time, hell there is even examples in this thread that Luongo takes majority of criticism when mostly it's the whole teams fault. For most people it's easier to think that it's one player's fault rather than the whole team. That is how scapegoats are formed. I'm not saying Luongo is a scapegoat and that he didn't play bad when we needed him. What I am saying when the team wins it's always because the team was great, and when we lose it's Luongo should have done better.
What seems to be omitted is that Luongo is a part of the problem, but not the whole problem. People are quick to bring up how much he melts down, but completely forgetting or conveniently ignoring that since the Gillis got here, the only goalies in the playoffs we've figured out are Niemi and Quick. The Canucks are notorious for making goalies look better than they actually are.
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when the d-core wore down in the finals, luongo couldn't hold the fort and wasn't just bad, but shockingly, irreversibly, and inexcusably bad...in the 4 canuck losses, his best performance was in game 3 where he allowed 8 goals, something that just amazes me
The Canucks lost more man games to injury on the defense this playoffs than every cup winner in the last 7-8 years combined. How many goalies have "held the fort" through that to win the cup? List off some cup winners with a defense as beat up as the Canucks' was in the finals. The way people talk it should be quite easy.
You know what I can list? Teams that won series with their goalie giving up as many goals as Luongo. It happens every year including Boston's ECF series and Chicago's cup winning series. Why couldn't the #1 offense and the #1 PP "hold the fort" for once when their back end was injured and their goalie struggling? Luongo sucked, but at least he didn't break any 60+ year old records for futility like the offense did.
You need luck to win the cup and it's as simple as that. The Canucks didn't have it on the injury front and it probably cost them a championship. Here's what Peter Chiarelli said after winning the cup:
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“I think what I can say about the injury front is we were fortunate from that perspective. And again when you look back at past winners, I remember the one year Tampa won I think they had like twenty man-games lost due to injury the whole year in the playoffs. So you have to have an element of luck. And on that front we certainly did.”
People would be well advised to listen to those words. Sometimes things beyond the players' control happens which prevent them from performing at their best. Did Luongo need to be better? Yes. But all they hyperbole surrounding this playoff run is utterly ridiculous. Every aspect of the team's game was decimated due to injuries including their defensive game.
It's also worth noting that Luongo gave up a comparable amount of goals in the SCF as were given up in the previous SCF...and that series only went 6 games.
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Luongo gave up the same amount of goals against the Bruins as "Wonderboy" Ryan Miller gave up in round 1 against the Flyers! Yet Luongo's a choker and "Wonderboy" is a big game goalie
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The Canucks lost more man games to injury on the defense this playoffs than every cup winner in the last 7-8 years combined. How many goalies have "held the fort" through that to win the cup? List off some cup winners with a defense as beat up as the Canucks' was in the finals. The way people talk it should be quite easy.
Buffalo 2006.
Oh wait, they didn't the Cup. Who was in goal again?
i'll never understand the media or luongo bashers. to me, its very clear that had Luongo played for Boston, and Thomas for Vancouver, the Bruins still win the cup. Luongo didnt cost the Canucks anything, he did his best to help them get to game 7, but the team simply didnt show up and couldnt get the job done. Thomas made some big saves yes, but the Canuck skaters also didnt do anything great. Now go watch some of Bostons goals, they were either wicked shots, or great plays (marchand shorthander ect). Simply put, Bostons skaters made great plays, Canuck players made weak attempts. Im not bashing our team, im just stating what i watched happen.
You have consider for the fantasy draft, they play the odds of who will have the better season, thereby accumulating more points. We have Schneider to backstop Luongo, who is considerably superior to anything Buffalo has for Miller. So it becomes likely Miller plays more, and the same can be said about Price. All three will have comparable seasons, therefore I cannot fault them for picking one over the other.
For the TSN rankings, their 'experts' consistently follow a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Price was a dominate force last season, especially when you consider the Habs are a weaker team. He certainly should not be thought better than Luongo at this stage but the gap is not far off by any stretch. Toews is always overrated by a bloody mile on those lists and Ferreo actually went off on the experts for the idiocy of Malkin's ranking. Sure, drop him a few points from third due to injuries but behind Kopitar, Toews and Kesler? Yeah... no.
Unfortunately, Luongo will be remembered not for his Vezina season performance, not for what was a relatively solid playoff run despite a few games, but the embarrassing lop-sided loss we suffered to Boston. Ferreo adamantly said, if we won, he would be the least appreciated and if we lost, the most blamed. Truer words...
Wait a sec... aren't you one of the main guys railing against Luongo all summer?
Lol yes I am. I still do firmly believe what I have stated but let's not get ridiculous here and state things like Miller or even Price are better than Luongo.
The thing that pisses me off is all the other fan bases and media ripping the guy relentlessly. I obviously rip him as well but still want to see him.
You have consider for the fantasy draft, they play the odds of who will have the better season, thereby accumulating more points. We have Schneider to backstop Luongo, who is considerably superior to anything Buffalo has for Miller. So it becomes likely Miller plays more, and the same can be said about Price. All three will have comparable seasons, therefore I cannot fault them for picking one over the other.
For the TSN rankings, their 'experts' consistently follow a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Price was a dominate force last season, especially when you consider the Habs are a weaker team. He certainly should not be thought better than Luongo at this stage but the gap is not far off by any stretch. Toews is always overrated by a bloody mile on those lists and Ferreo actually went off on the experts for the idiocy of Malkin's ranking. Sure, drop him a few points from third due to injuries but behind Kopitar, Toews and Kesler? Yeah... no.
If we're dropping guys due to injury, you can't have Sidney Crosby as #1 especially considering the injury he's attempting to comeback from.
You have consider for the fantasy draft, they play the odds of who will have the better season, thereby accumulating more points. We have Schneider to backstop Luongo, who is considerably superior to anything Buffalo has for Miller. So it becomes likely Miller plays more, and the same can be said about Price. All three will have comparable seasons, therefore I cannot fault them for picking one over the other.
For the TSN rankings, their 'experts' consistently follow a "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Price was a dominate force last season, especially when you consider the Habs are a weaker team. He certainly should not be thought better than Luongo at this stage but the gap is not far off by any stretch. Toews is always overrated by a bloody mile on those lists and Ferreo actually went off on the experts for the idiocy of Malkin's ranking. Sure, drop him a few points from third due to injuries but behind Kopitar, Toews and Kesler? Yeah... no.
In my keeper league I drafted Luongo 6th overall. I have a huge premium on goalies, and made Luongo the first goalie drafted. Yes I realize he will not play 70 games, but in the games he does play in I am confident he gives me the best opportunity for the top stats (outside of someone like Tim Thomas, but in a keeper league you wouldn't draft him in the first five rounds).
If we're dropping guys due to injury, you can't have Sidney Crosby as #1 especially considering the injury he's attempting to comeback from.
Yes but Crosby is the Canadian golden boy. He can do no wrong.
Personally, I could see Malkin dropping to sixth based on lackluster performances, injury or otherwise. Datsyuk and the Sedins have dominated on a more consistent basis the past two years, Henrik nearly matching Malkin's career season. Crosby, considering he was on pace for 130+ points, the highest in a decade, can legitimately have first one more season. I do not believe his numbers will be hindered much when he returns.
Now if Ovie jumps back to 50+ goals, 110+ points. He takes first next season but I doubt TSN will ever drop Crosby.
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In my keeper league I drafted Luongo 6th overall. I have a huge premium on goalies, and made Luongo the first goalie drafted. Yes I realize he will not play 70 games, but in the games he does play in I am confident he gives me the best opportunity for the top stats (outside of someone like Tim Thomas, but in a keeper league you wouldn't draft him in the first five rounds).
Aye, Luongo is a solid pick and I love the guy even if he can be a little frustrating at times. I'm not bashing him by any means. Just attempting to give a spin on TSN's rankings. Lu was undoubtedly too low and Price too high. He is definitely a top five goaltender in the league despite what people claim. There are only a few I might slot ahead of him, Lundqvist being one.
Edit: Not for a fantasy draft. Lu will have more points even with less starts.
I'm not going to rag on Luongo but I'm just here to speak my mind about Miller. For the people saying he has never won a big game, this is true, however your argument about him not being able to win when he had a Presidents Trophy team in front of him applies to Luongo as well. Our team was simply not the same as when we went to ECF, just like Vancouver was not the same team in the SCF. As for our chance in the ECF, I think most would agree that Buffalo would have won if not for their entire D corps being decimated by injuries. Of course that is open to speculation.
Second, I'm curious to know if you even watched the Philly series. Our defense consisted of Tyler Myers, Jordan Leopold, Mike Weber, Shaone Morrison, Chris Butler and Steve Montador. If you actually watched Game 7, you would know that 2 of the goals were tip ins that Miller could have had, but were incredibly difficult to save, one of which was by his own player.
Why do you read articles if there really is no point in reading them because not everything is going to satiate you.
It's also worth noting that Luongo gave up a comparable amount of goals in the SCF as were given up in the previous SCF...and that series only went 6 games.
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Luongo gave up the same amount of goals against the Bruins as "Wonderboy" Ryan Miller gave up in round 1 against the Flyers! Yet Luongo's a choker and "Wonderboy" is a big game goalie
Who said Wonderboy was a big game goalie?? Please supply link. Basically what you are saying is that the goalie is completely responsible for the team's success right? So you are implying that Luongo is the reason that Boston won yes?
There is no middle ground for a goalie. You are either playing really well, or really poorly. Often at the same time. Especially when you are in Canada.
I'm sure everyone know about my Luongo posts this past summer but wow is this getting stupid.
The lack of respect and sheer bias from fans and media towards this guy is getting out of hand.
Picking a guy like Ryan Miller ahead of him (like the TsN panel just did) is borderline retarded. Especially with morons like Aaron Ward saying he is more consistent than Luongo. Did he see his terrible performance in the playoffs vs Philly? The one where he was outplayed by 3 backups?
A goalie who had a great playoffs besides 4 games in the finals, vezina nominee is apparently ranked 43rd.
I feel local media and Canuck fans have a right to question and criticize Lu but this national hate is getting sad.
Almost any team in the league would kill to have him.
If anything, it just makes me want to cheer for Lu more just to say **** you to everyone.
So he choked massively at the most important time.
Luongo deserves every bit of the crap he gets. He earned with his performance. If he doesn't like it then he can win, only way people will shut up.
you guys need to learn that it doesn't matter what other people are saying and just let it go
luongo's tsn ranking has absolutely no influence on anything ever
stop looking for people to pump the canuck's tires and just enjoy the hockey we've treated to over the years
If there is one thing that should hav ebeen learned from the playoffs, it's that everyone else hates the Canucks. Only thing more disgraceful than the Canucks in the finals? The way they were treated in the media.
