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10-05-2011, 02:22 PM
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For me, if you don't make the playoffs, you had a bad season. I don't know about you but I think 160+ games are enough to say whether you are a good team right?
There is a huge difference between bad and awful. 82-80 isn't good, but it's not awful...

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10-05-2011, 02:22 PM
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Let's not compare a playoff elimination game to your average Tuesday night in the middle of the season. It's apples and oranges.
the Rays didn't sell out yesterday

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10-05-2011, 02:29 PM
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They have a record of 412-559 (.424) since moving. There were 3 divisions this year where the last-place team was over .424.

How many teams in MLB have been worse than that? Maybe the Pirates, the Royals and....? [edit: the O's?]



The problem, of course, is that we're not talking about hockey. The Nats are miles out of the playoffs every year.
You didn't say the team was god-awful, you said the team IS god-awful. They are not. You were factually wrong. If you want to argue the team was horrible for several years, that's fine, I won't debate that. It was the direct result of being run into the ground by MLB on no budget for development. When you are drafting players based on who would be the cheapest to sign, the Washington Nationals from 06-09 would be the result. The money that has been invested in beginning to pay dividends. But you said they ARE god-awful, and that's simply untrue.

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10-05-2011, 02:33 PM
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the Rays didn't sell out yesterday
I'm not talking about yesterday, though. They don't sell tickets during the season, and that's what this thread is about, the team making money and surviving where they are.

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10-05-2011, 02:36 PM
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

Montreal
2001: 7,647
2002: 9,048
2003: 12,662
2004: 9,356

Washington
2005: 33,728
2006: 26,580
2007: 24,217
2008: 29,005
2009: 22,715
2010: 22,568
2011: 24,877

I'd say so
Give us your gorgeous stadium in a downtown location, we'll give you our stadium and then we can compare numbers, OK?

If nobody here had to sit through 81 games at the Stade Olympique, they shouldn't comment on this. I did it several years in a row, not because the stadium drew me in either. We had no choice but to go out there to catch our favorite baseball team.

But if people think a nice stadium can't draw new fans, casual fans and tourists, they're dreaming in technicolor. Not to mention significantly add to their season-ticket base. And corporate boxes. And on and on and on. Those teams that have those things are lucky. Those teams that don't, want those things.

I know those *******s at MLB will never give us another chance, and I know our govt's don't have the balls to get a downtown stadium project to pass anyway, but to suggest that cursed franchise is better off now in Washington...well, I should hope so, because they have one of the most gorgeous parks anywhere, and now they have Strasburg every fifth day.

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10-05-2011, 02:43 PM
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Would like to see Montreal get their team back, or at the very least Vancouver. Canada needs another MLB team.

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10-05-2011, 02:56 PM
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

Montreal
2001: 7,647
2002: 9,048
2003: 12,662
2004: 9,356

Washington
2005: 33,728
2006: 26,580
2007: 24,217
2008: 29,005
2009: 22,715
2010: 22,568
2011: 24,877

I'd say so
Thanks, I didn't know the numbers. I just know whenever they show highlights the stadium looks awfully empty. Weird those numbers, after the inaugural year dropping except 2008 (were they competitive that year?)-dropping 9 thousand in a 6 year span-ouch (which admittedly is still more attendance than the Expos the last few years-the labour strife did massive damage for the Expos it seems)

Anyway, back on topic about Tampa Bay-that really is unfortunate to put a winning ball club for the past few years but people aren't turning out because it seems the stadium. Again I'm more casual than anything-optically it just seems so odd a winning team having trouble getting people in (as the reasons have been mentioned)

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10-05-2011, 03:01 PM
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2008 was the first year in the new Stadium, moving out of RFK.

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10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
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move them to winnipeg

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10-05-2011, 03:12 PM
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You didn't say the team was god-awful, you said the team IS god-awful. They are not. You were factually wrong. If you want to argue the team was horrible for several years, that's fine, I won't debate that. It was the direct result of being run into the ground by MLB on no budget for development. When you are drafting players based on who would be the cheapest to sign, the Washington Nationals from 06-09 would be the result. The money that has been invested in beginning to pay dividends. But you said they ARE god-awful, and that's simply untrue.
Ok, I'll rephrase.

During their 7 seasons in Washington, the Nats have had one of the most god-awful overall records in professional sports. Things are much better now, as they were only 21 1/2 games back in their division -- a marked improvement over their pathetic performance in previous seasons.

There, hopefully that felt better.

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10-05-2011, 03:24 PM
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Montreal would be perfect except no stadium. Would love to see the Expos and the Jays in the same league and division, but it just isn't going to happen

Vancouver is not an option. BC Place Stadium is not configured for baseball and despite the new turf, with the new score board it just isn't going to happen sadly. We could temporarily host a team at the Nat though?

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10-05-2011, 03:31 PM
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The Montreal relocation is too deep a subject to cover in one post. If anyone doubts Montreal's ability to support baseball, just read about what MLB and Selig did to that franchise following the 1994 strike. No team had a worse falling out after the strike then the Expos; it's not even arguable.

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10-05-2011, 03:32 PM
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The Montreal relocation is too deep a subject to cover in one post. If anyone doubts Montreal's ability to support baseball, just read about what MLB and Selig did to that franchise following the 1994 strike. No team had a worse falling out after the strike then the Expos; it's not even arguable.
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10-05-2011, 03:42 PM
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Montreal would be perfect except no stadium. Would love to see the Expos and the Jays in the same league and division, but it just isn't going to happen

Vancouver is not an option. BC Place Stadium is not configured for baseball and despite the new turf, with the new score board it just isn't going to happen sadly. We could temporarily host a team at the Nat though?
Just because you claim there is no money does not mean everyone will feel that way. I'm sure the folks of Maple Ridge, Langley and West Vancouver will say otherwise, and not on this board either.

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The Montreal relocation is too deep a subject to cover in one post. If anyone doubts Montreal's ability to support baseball, just read about what MLB and Selig did to that franchise following the 1994 strike. No team had a worse falling out after the strike then the Expos; it's not even arguable.
agreed completely. That strike was as horribly timed as possible for that franchise.

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Only way they're moving is if it's to downtown Tampa.

There's not really any big market left that doesn't have a team that realistically COULD get a team.
Portland and Charlotte come quickly to mind.

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10-05-2011, 03:52 PM
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10-05-2011, 03:53 PM
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Scratch Carolina/Charlotte off the list. No chance Charlotte is large enough to be a 3-sport city and Raleigh is to small for MLB period. Also, the politics of building a stadium in Charlotte are already a hot-button issue and there isn't even a team on the horizon.
Carolina is a baseball hotbed. It is also a growth hotspot too. Carolina will get a team sooner than later IMO.

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Somewhere Jerry Reinsdorf is smiling and thanking the State of Illinois for giving him a stadium.
I believe the White Sox will be in Indianapolis by 2025. Chicago won't be a two team market if the city and state remains stuck on ********.

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Braves don't want their fanbase cut into

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Portland has been the town taking the initiative in MLB relocation talks, no? That's who the Marlins were talking to.
The Oregon legislature has passed a ballpark financing scheme before the Expos relocated. It may still be viable for all I know.

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Carolina is a baseball hotbed. It is also a growth hotspot too. Carolina will get a team sooner than later IMO.
1) There is no such place as Carolina. I assume you are talking about Charlotte here.

2) Charlotte is not a baseball hotbed.

3) Whether Charlotte remains a growth hotspot is in question, seeing as the growth was largely driven by the banking industry and the two biggest businesses in town were Bank of America and the late Wachovia.

4) Charlotte already has an NFL team, an NBA team, a PGA event and a NASCAR track, and the local public university is adding a D-I football program. It is flat-out not capable of squeezing an MLB team into that crowded of a market.

5) Even if all these other factors came together, there is less than 0% chance that the city will have anything to do with a major-league ballpark.

Charlotte will not be getting a major-league team.

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Give us your gorgeous stadium in a downtown location, we'll give you our stadium and then we can compare numbers, OK?
Let's not do this considering the Nationals played at RFK until 2008.







That doesn't exactly look like a pleasant place to watch a baseball game, does it?

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4) Charlotte already has an NFL team, an NBA team, a PGA event and a NASCAR track, and the local public university is adding a D-I football program. It is flat-out not capable of squeezing an MLB team into that crowded of a market.
That's really not that much for a metro area of Charlotte's size.

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