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10-05-2011, 04:19 PM
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Let's not do this considering the Nationals played at RFK until 2008.







That doesn't exactly look like a pleasant place to watch a baseball game, does it?
Ugh, its the trop with the roof cut off.

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10-05-2011, 04:21 PM
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That's really not that much for a metro area of Charlotte's size.
Cleveland is smaller and has more.

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I didn't want to touch that. I was wiating for you to come back.

But to tie into this the thread, the Sox almost moved to St Pete in 1988 correct?
It was... yeah, I think the White Sox and Giants were rumored at one point. I still have a St. Pete Giants t-shirt.

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10-05-2011, 04:28 PM
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But to tie into this the thread, the Sox almost moved to St Pete in 1988 correct?
They did. That's why I said earlier that Reinsdorf is now laughing all this.

But them almost moving was just Reinsdorf getting leverage to get a new stadium. Now that they have that, they ain't going anywhere. It will only be 35 years old in 2025.

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10-05-2011, 04:34 PM
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Cleveland is smaller and has more.
Cleveland isn't smaller. They're quite a bit bigger than Charlotte.

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10-05-2011, 04:35 PM
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It was... yeah, I think the White Sox and Giants were rumored at one point. I still have a St. Pete Giants t-shirt.
Namioli had some deal back in 1994 and the Giants were minutes away. That is not the first time for SF either.

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They did. That's why I said earlier that Reinsdorf is now laughing all this.

But them almost moving was just Reinsdorf getting leverage to get a new stadium. Now that they have that, they ain't going anywhere. It will only be 35 years old in 2025.
Good to hear. The Sox have a rather large fanbase. On the Usenet groups I saw rumor Selig wanted to move the Sox to Milwaukee and then Seattle.

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http://www.baseball-fever.com/forumd...Montreal-Expos

This forum can help with links and even books on the subject!

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10-05-2011, 04:38 PM
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Does NOT look good at all... I know a place that would sell out post season games and support a winning team..

Is that the Carolina Expos or something your talking about because the city of Montreal did neither of the things you describe in regards to the Expos

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The Montreal relocation is too deep a subject to cover in one post. If anyone doubts Montreal's ability to support baseball, just read about what MLB and Selig did to that franchise following the 1994 strike. No team had a worse falling out after the strike then the Expos; it's not even arguable.
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Namioli had some deal back in 1994 and the Giants were minutes away. That is not the first time for SF either.



Good to hear. The Sox have a rather large fanbase. On the Usenet groups I saw rumor Selig wanted to move the Sox to Milwaukee and then Seattle.
Yeah Selig tried and failed to also the MLB commish stepped in and prevented the 49ers owner from buying and moving White Sox to New Orleans

JR bought team and turned it around ,, 1988 was just a ploy to get state to fund new stadium. Most people believe it was just a political move by him and Ill Gov to get deal thru State House/Senate

White Sox are not leaving Chicago

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That's really not that much for a metro area of Charlotte's size.
Yes, it is. The smallest 3-sport city is Pittsburgh, which is larger than Charlotte. Pittsburgh doesn't have three of the biggest NASCAR races and a PGA championship event every year like clockwork, and after Pittsburgh you're up to cities like St. Louis and Tampa which are considerably larger.

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JR bought team and turned it around ,, 1988 was just a ploy to get state to fund new stadium. Most people believe it was just a political move by him and Ill Gov to get deal thru State House/Senate
Yep, and Governor Thompson still says today that he saved the team.

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It still had great location going for it though, easy access via DC Metro.

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10-05-2011, 04:54 PM
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Let's not do this considering the Nationals played at RFK until 2008.







That doesn't exactly look like a pleasant place to watch a baseball game, does it?
It's outdoors, isn't it? Sounds good to me.

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Is that the Carolina Expos or something your talking about because the city of Montreal did neither of the things you describe in regards to the Expos
What, we didn't sell out in 1981? Cuz that's it as far as postseason games for us. You have to actually reach the postseason to do poorly in attendance in the postseason.

Look at the numbers for Montreal's OUTDOOR attendance over the years. It ain't bad. Jarry Park was small, but people loved to go there. Even the Big Uh-Oh was passable when it had an open roof.

Where do you attend your baseball games, Wrigley? Apples and Oranges.

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Yes, it is. The smallest 3-sport city is Pittsburgh, which is larger than Charlotte. Pittsburgh doesn't have three of the biggest NASCAR races and a PGA championship event every year like clockwork, and after Pittsburgh you're up to cities like St. Louis and Tampa which are considerably larger.
We are talking about strict team sports. NASCAR, Golf are acinlliary events. That said, I agree. I'm sure someone from Charlotte won't

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Cleveland isn't smaller. They're quite a bit bigger than Charlotte.
300,000 is not a lot. Cleveland Akron is about the same with the Charlotte rock hill CSA.

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Is that the Carolina Expos or something your talking about because the city of Montreal did neither of the things you describe in regards to the Expos
We got 54 000+ in the stadium for games 3 and 4 of the 1981 NL Championship series. Only 36 000 for game 5 but it was drizzling and the temperature that day was in the low 40's (5°C). May I remind you that the roof wasn't completed until 1987

It's not full listed capacity, but to be fair there was lots of really bad seats and for baseball that was as good as it would get in that stadium at the time.


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We are talking about strict team sports. NASCAR, Golf are acinlliary events. That said, I agree. I'm sure someone from Charlotte won't
Golf perhaps, but racing isn't ancillary in Charlotte. It sells more tickets and merch than the Bobcats and is closer to the Panthers than you'd expect. It's not just the races either, it's the qualifying events and the Hall of Fame and the test tracks, all the other hoopla including All Star Week every year.

Not only does that soak up thousands of fans along with their expendable money, it's a corporate juggernaut on the local scene. They carry so much clout that when track owner Bruton Smith was miffed at the town council in Concord, he brought them to their knees so hard they renamed Speedway Boulevard after him just to appease him. That gives you a taste of how much money flows through racing there.

If it were just the Panthers and Bobcats in the way, Charlotte would still be a small-market stretch. But between the 500 lb NASCAR gorilla and the outright political hostility to stadium initiatives, the city really is a no-go for the foreseeable future even if it recovers from the banking collapse.

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Vancouver is not an option. BC Place Stadium is not configured for baseball and despite the new turf, with the new score board it just isn't going to happen sadly. We could temporarily host a team at the Nat though?
I'm only basing this on the pics I saw on the BC Place website, but it looks like they kept the retractability of the seats that would be in right field, so I do think that the field could be converted to a baseball configuration (the only problem is that there would be an enormous foul territory down the first base line).

I know it's a ton easier to say this than to do this, but can the scoreboard be moved out of the way when needed?

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Just because you claim there is no money does not mean everyone will feel that way. I'm sure the folks of Maple Ridge, Langley and West Vancouver will say otherwise, and not on this board either.
Where did I claim there was no money?

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I'm only basing this on the pics I saw on the BC Place website, but it looks like they kept the retractability of the seats that would be in right field, so I do think that the field could be converted to a baseball configuration (the only problem is that there would be an enormous foul territory down the first base line).

I know it's a ton easier to say this than to do this, but can the scoreboard be moved out of the way when needed?
Yes, the seats are still retractable. In fact, they have a bunch more seats that they put in for the Whitecaps games.

About the scoreboard, I'm not sure. I know it's lowered for Whitecap games too, but as far as moving it out of the way I don't know. I figure they could probably take it down completely, but then there's no scoreboard at all.

Ideally Vancouver would build what was George Kerfoot's planned Waterfront Stadium, but the politicians in the city won't allow for that.

I just don't see baseball being logistically feasible in Vancouver from a stadium standpoint. Although I would love it if we got a team.

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Where did I claim there was no money?
You have said in the past the Vancouver market won't support 80 home games.

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You have said in the past the Vancouver market won't support 80 home games.
You must be thinking of someone else.

I've said in the past that the Vancouver market wouldn't support a losing team, and I would be concerned with how competitive the Vancouver team would be competing against the massive market US franchises, but I never said anything about the support based on how many home games there would be.

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You must be thinking of someone else.

I've said in the past that the Vancouver market wouldn't support a losing team, and I would be concerned with how competitive the Vancouver team would be competing against the massive market US franchises, but I never said anything about the support based on how many home games there would be.
Ok.

I thought you were the Canucks fan who said 80 games was too much or whatever, but I digress.

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