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10-05-2011, 01:30 PM
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That move says more about the inability of Enquvist, Palushaj and Blunden to make the team than about Betts being a good player.

Imagine that Betts was already with the team. I find a bit sad that there wasn't any kid good and ready enough to beat an aging Betts at the camp... And when you think of it, a guy like Moen should be beatable also.

But let's be positive: it's because all the good forwards came up with the team last year.
None of the kids you named were expected to make the team, and nobody was supposed to outplay moen. You are really lost.

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10-05-2011, 01:30 PM
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This move makes me happy,
I'm not surprised, you've been calling the Betts aquisition for years now

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10-05-2011, 01:32 PM
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The whole 'betts is injury prone' thing has already gotten old. Over the last 6 seasons he's averaged 72 games played. That's the same as Cammalleri.
What you have to worry about is how his previous shoulder injuries have affected him going forward. He went from being a strong faceoff guy for the Flyers to quite below average, almost entirely because he just doesn't have the strength in his shoulders anymore.

Everything else about Betts is great. He's a fantastic positional penalty killer, great defensively 5-on-5, a great character guy and he's not completely clueless at the offensive side of the game.

He'll fit in well in Montreal.

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10-05-2011, 01:41 PM
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I'm not surprised, you've been calling the Betts aquisition for years now
Excellent PKer and a top face-off man. A no brainer for the 4th line.

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10-05-2011, 01:49 PM
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What you have to worry about is how his previous shoulder injuries have affected him going forward. He went from being a strong faceoff guy for the Flyers to quite below average, almost entirely because he just doesn't have the strength in his shoulders anymore.

Everything else about Betts is great. He's a fantastic positional penalty killer, great defensively 5-on-5, a great character guy and he's not completely clueless at the offensive side of the game.

He'll fit in well in Montreal.
You just have to look at a guy like Komisarek, to see the impact of a serious shoulder injury if it becomes chronic. He's a shadow of the player he was.

Anyone with shoulder troubles is going struggle on faceoffs. It'll be interesting to see if they play Eller on the wing when he comes back.

I like Betts too...but as it goes for anyone, 'providing he's healthy'.

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10-05-2011, 01:52 PM
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I'm just happy that Engqvist is not with us. As for the trade, I'm indifferent.

Is Betts good defensive ?

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10-05-2011, 01:57 PM
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Excellent PKer and a top face-off man. A no brainer for the 4th line.
I wouldn't call 152nd overall in the league last year top faceoff man. He just about 50%, which is not bad.

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10-05-2011, 02:04 PM
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None of the kids you named were expected to make the team, and nobody was supposed to outplay moen. You are really lost.
You didn't understood what I was saying. I said it's sad that no one can beat an aging Betts. I added that Moen also should be beatable. I never said he was supposed to be replaced, and I'm not necessarily talking about the ones that have been cut specifically.

I do think a team should be able to develop at least one player that can replace an "aging Betts" every year. If my team fail to do that, I would question the people in charge of the development.

But that's just me.

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I'm just happy that Engqvist is not with us. As for the trade, I'm indifferent.

Is Betts good defensive ?
His specialty is the PK and faceoffs so yeah, definitely.

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I like betts as a person and sad to see him go, but for the flyers I am happy you took him off of our hands. His faceoff ability has gone in the trash because his shoulder is finished, he is terribly slow... so while he may be good positionally on the pk he is not quick enough to race for pucks, and remove people from it. You will likely get frusterated when you are hemmed in your own end for half of the pk because betts cannot retrieve a puck.

No trolling, I have been saying this on the flyers board for a week.

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10-05-2011, 02:10 PM
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I wouldn't call 152nd overall in the league last year top faceoff man. He just about 50%, which is not bad.
Did you forget about his shoulder ? Apparently his FO stats took a dip because of the loss of strength in his shoulder last year.

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You didn't understood what I was saying. I said it's sad that no one can beat an aging Betts. I added that Moen also should be beatable. I never said he was supposed to be replaced, and I'm not necessarily talking about the ones that have been cut specifically.

I do think a team should be able to develop at least one player that can replace an "aging Betts" every year. If my team fail to do that, I would question the people in charge of the development.

But that's just me.
Will you stop calling a 32 year old aging !

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You didn't understood what I was saying. I said it's sad that no one can beat an aging Betts. I added that Moen also should be beatable. I never said he was supposed to be replaced, and I'm not necessarily talking about the ones that have been cut specifically.

I do think a team should be able to develop at least one player that can replace an "aging Betts" every year. If my team fail to do that, I would question the people in charge of the development.

But that's just me.
This is why the flyers deemed him expendable, we have players who can step into his role, that need the playing time to develop. There is no reason a younger grit/4th line guy should not take betts spot at this point.

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Did you forget about his shoulder ? Apparently his FO stats took a dip because of the loss of strength in his shoulder last year.
Whatever the reason is. I'm just saying that he's not a top faceoff guy. Or at least I wouldn't call him that anyway. Solid at faceoffs maybe. Or top shot blocker.


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10-05-2011, 02:12 PM
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Its interesting to see the contrast between the support for this move, and the Campoli signing. Which, is incredibly easy to see who will definitely have the bigger impact for the team.

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10-05-2011, 02:13 PM
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Will you stop calling a 32 year old aging !
Ok, I'll stop. But I do think that for this type of player, 32 is certainly not young...

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Do people think Betts will help in any way, in terms of the Habs perceived lack of toughness and/or grit?
I do, albeit small. I am strong believer that size alone is tougher to play against, whether the player is considered tough. He might not engage in a physical style often, but being 6"3 210lbs makes him tougher to play against by default. My honest opinion, I much prefer a betts type over say, tom pyatt.

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10-05-2011, 02:19 PM
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I like betts as a person and sad to see him go, but for the flyers I am happy you took him off of our hands. His faceoff ability has gone in the trash because his shoulder is finished, he is terribly slow... so while he may be good positionally on the pk he is not quick enough to race for pucks, and remove people from it. You will likely get frusterated when you are hemmed in your own end for half of the pk because betts cannot retrieve a puck.

No trolling, I have been saying this on the flyers board for a week.
Why do Flyers fans keep saying this ? If 50.3 is trash for him, then he's been trash his entire career except for 2 years where he was 52% and one year he was 48%.

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10-05-2011, 02:21 PM
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Awwwww yeeeeah!

So what're looking at now?

Darche-Betts-Moen?

Moen-Betts-White?

Darche-Betts-White?
I'm think the line-up should look like (assuming Moen & White are ready);

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Kostitsyn - Desharnais - Darche (Weber)
Moen - Betts - White (Weber/Darche)

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Of the top 60 forwards in the NHL with the most penalty killing ice time, Betts is second best in goals against average 4 on 5. The only one better is Tomas Plekanec.

If he's not broken down he's what the 4th line needed, a good PK center.

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Why do Flyers fans keep saying this ? If 50.3 is trash for him, then he's been trash his entire career except for 2 years where he was 52% and one year he was 48%.
Honestly it seemed like every important faceoff in the D zone or on the pk he couldnt win them. His faceoff ability is very overated, probably the biggest reason there was no need for him anymore.

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Betts is a player that covers EXACTLY some of the needs that we had, mainly a 4th line center great pk skills to take some of Plekanec's ok time, good on face-offs, gritty and has 5x the hustle of Andreas Engqvist.

But, although in the wright deriction, don't put all your eggs in the same basket. Thre toughness issue that we (we being those are for having a big 4th line winger that can drop em) think it's inportant still hasn't been resolved. It's a step in the right direction though. Moen-Betts-White should be one super annoying line to play against.
My comment was just a shot at the people who specifically stated we wouldn't pick him up, one post in particular, but he's already enjoying his plate of crow

It's gotten to the point where people won't even wait for the GM to pass/pick up a player. They've already made up their minds on what players our GM apparently hates, and that he goes out of his way to make this team worse.

Is this the move that will help this Disney team make that dream run to the cup?

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I'm think the line-up should look like (assuming Moen & White are ready);

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Kostitsyn - Desharnais - Darche
Moen - Betts - White
Eller will be ready before White.

lol... Betty White.

Or make it spanish.

Betts y White.

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His teammate Cal Clutterbuck does.
Or Clayton Stoner.

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