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10-06-2011, 02:22 PM
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You forget last summer? "Bozak will hit 60 points, and is our number one center this season" was one of the most common phrases out of Leaf Nation.
Got any proof of that?

I remember a few specific posters saying that, but overall, the vast majority of Leaf posters didn't share that opinion at all.

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10-06-2011, 02:22 PM
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I'm surprised people are getting so worked up already especially in light of these five facts

1. Gagner is hurt and won't be moved until he's healthy.
2. Edmonton will likely wait to see what RNH does before they even contemplate moving Gagner.
3. Leafs will probably wait until Connolly and Lombardi are 100% and see if they can't handle the top two C slots before even contemplating bringing in a center.
4. Leafs will probably wait to make sure Jake Gardiner doesn't falter before moving Gunnarsson
5. It's Damien Cox.
This. And that is why IF Gagner is traded to the Leafs, it won't happen until next week at the very earliest. There's speculation that the Leafs will use that 1 week break between games 2 and 3 to evaluate their team and make a move if neccessary

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gagner is 1 tough little sob. he tries to fight and plays hard.

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I'm surprised people are getting so worked up already especially in light of these five facts

1. Gagner is hurt and won't be moved until he's healthy.
2. Edmonton will likely wait to see what RNH does before they even contemplate moving Gagner.
3. Leafs will probably wait until Connolly and Lombardi are 100% and see if they can't handle the top two C slots before even contemplating bringing in a center.
4. Leafs will probably wait to make sure Jake Gardiner doesn't falter before moving Gunnarsson
5. It's Damien Cox.
Leafs like taking injured players, it lessens the required return for the player.

Rest of the points are fair though.

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10-06-2011, 02:24 PM
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I like it, can't have too many diehard leaf fans on our team. Gagner's a toronto boy, while I think Gunnar's pretty underrated and is the perfect 2nd pair dman, Gagner gives an extra boost to the shootout, sick hands and vision. I'd do it.
he's a London boy. I find many people from London seem to hate the Leafs

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10-06-2011, 02:26 PM
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Fourth line center on Toronto? Gagner should be second behind Grabovski.


The bottom line is that Toronto and Edmonton seem like good trading partners. If no one is willing to trade their high end players/prospects then both sides are going to have to take a player with some warts. Toronto is not getting a number one center and Edmonton is not getting a top two defenseman without including a key piece. A deal built around Gagner and Gunnerson seems to make some sense.
In your opinion...

My opinion(someone who watches the team) I'd put both Lombardi and Connolly ahead of him.... No doubt both have had injury issues, but when healthy they're both capable of 50+ points while playing in all situations..... Gagner has yet to break the 50 pt barrier and while he's not a liability, defense isn't a strength of his... Both Lombardi and Connolly are capable of playing defensive rolls and killing penalties and both are better skaters.

The Leafs have three centreman better then Gagner.

Oilers have one, maybe two defenseman better then Gunnarsson.


The Leafs need a number one centre, not another 2-3.....


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10-06-2011, 02:28 PM
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Leaf fans, learn something:
First 4 years in the league:



GP 292 (73/season)
Points 181
PPG: 0.62



GP: 291 (73/season)
Points 173
PPG: 0.6

Meanwhile your precious Kulimen played two years in the KHL after being drafted and put up a smashing 67 points over the combined NEXT TWO NHL seasons. Grabovski wasn't even an NHL regular until he turned 22/23, the same age that Gagner is now, and his GP/Points/PPG are far less, even with the age advantage.


Sorry, who is injury prone again? Why are all these top-end Leaf forwards so much better than someone who is younger and puts up better stats?

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10-06-2011, 02:30 PM
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I think Gunnerson should be refered to as Gunnerjesus from now on

"Lo and Behold, The Burke came down from his holy mountain of Air Canada place and spoketh to the Oiler peasants and offered them his only D, Gunnerjesus. But the heathen Oiler fans wanted more, they wanted a 1st round pick and Burke was angry and he called forth his loyal HFBoard minions to smite thy ludricrous reasoning. Thus on this day which shall be known as The Bozakian day the leafs declined any offerings from the Oiler heathers and went forward with the great prohpet Bozak as someone who has the same scoring as Gagner even though he doesn't but that is the miracle of Burke".

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I don't want to part ways with Gagner, so Toronto will have to blow us away with an offer (hopefully, although I'm not Tambo)

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In your opinion...

My opinion(someone who watches the team) I'd put both Lombardi and Connolly ahead of him.... No doubt both have had injury issues, but when healthy they're both capable of 60+ points while playing in all situations..... Gagner has yet to break the 50 pt barrier and while he's not a liability, defense isn't a strength of his... Both Lombardi and Connolly are capable of playing defensive rolls and killing penalties and both are better skaters.

The Leafs have three centreman better then Gagner.

Oilers have one, maybe two defenseman better then Gunnarsson.


The Leafs need a number one centre, not another 2-3.....
what are you smoking dude? Lombardi's career high was 53 points in a contract year

Gagner didn't crack 50 points in either of last 2 seasons because he only played around 65 games each season.

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In your opinion...

My opinion(someone who watches the team) I'd put both Lombardi and Connolly ahead of him.... No doubt both have had injury issues, but when healthy they're both capable of 60+ points while playing in all situations..... Gagner has yet to break the 50 pt barrier and while he's not a liability, defense isn't a strength of his... Both Lombardi and Connolly are capable of playing defensive rolls and killing penalties and both are better skaters.

The Leafs have three centreman better then Gagner.

Oilers have one, maybe two defenseman better then Gunnarsson.


The Leafs need a number one centre, not another 2-3.....
right now the Oilers have 0 centers better then Gagner.. He stays unless there is an overpayment.

Leafs have 4\5 Dmen better then Gunnarson or Franson making them trade baits.

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right now the Oilers have 0 centers better then Gagner.. He stays unless there is an overpayment.

Leafs have 4\5 Dmen better then Gunnarson or Franson making them trade baits.
Debatable about 4/5 Dmen better than Gunnarsson.

I'd say no more than 3 (Phaneuf/Schenn/Liles)

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what are you smoking dude? Lombardi's career high was 53 points in a contract year

Gagner didn't crack 50 points in either of last 2 seasons because he only played around 65 games each season.
My bad, I meant 50... Connolly and Lombardi are both capable of 50+ while playing in all situations.

Gagner has NEVER topped 50.

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My bad, I meant 50... Connolly and Lombardi are both capable of 50+ while playing in all situations.

Gagner has NEVER topped 50.
yeah but hes only 22?

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gagner is overratedn


not a fan but a gagner for gunnar stop seems like it could work for both teams imo

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My bad, I meant 50... Connolly and Lombardi are both capable of 50+ while playing in all situations.

Gagner has NEVER topped 50.
and yet both were produced worse than Gagner in their first four years of pro....

I guess that means Gagner will be better than both Lombardi and Connolly this year.

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Leaf fans, learn something:
First 4 years in the league:



GP 292 (73/season)
Points 181
PPG: 0.62



GP: 291 (73/season)
Points 173
PPG: 0.6

Meanwhile your precious Kulimen played two years in the KHL after being drafted and put up a smashing 67 points over the combined NEXT TWO NHL seasons. Grabovski wasn't even an NHL regular until he turned 22/23, the same age that Gagner is now, and his GP/Points/PPG are far less, even with the age advantage.


Sorry, who is injury prone again? Why are all these top-end Leaf forwards so much better than someone who is younger and puts up better stats?
There is a difference btw progressing since your 1st season and being stagnant.

Kessel has had multiple 60 pt seasons and 30 goals. While Gagner has never once hit 50.

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and yet both were produced worse than Gagner in their first four years of pro....

I guess that means Gagner will be better than both Lombardi and Connolly this year.
Maybe, maybe not?

I like Gagner, don't get me wrong... I guess I just don't value him as highly as some Oiler fans.

IMO Gagner was rushed into the NHL and thrust into a role he wasn't ready for... He could have very well plateaued given his lack of progression in his prime development years.

We'll see.

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The canes beat writer today said Gagner for McBain is a possibility. What do Oilers fans think of that? As a canes fan I'd go for it.

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The canes beat writer today said Gagner for McBain is a possibility. What do Oilers fans think of that? As a canes fan I'd go for it.
I don't know much on McBain.

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The canes beat writer today said Gagner for McBain is a possibility. What do Oilers fans think of that? As a canes fan I'd go for it.
Oiler fans like it much more than the proposed Toronto deal. Only Toronto fans see Gunnar as a top 4 D.

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Bozak is better than Gagner ....

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Gunnar averaged 18:14 last year which ranked him 144th in the leauge among defensemen.

Based only on ice time per game Gunnar is ranked slightly better than a #6 defender.
Well that's not a telling stat, as he started the season as a bottom pairing defenseman, averaging 14 mins a game.

He then moved up, when the Leafs started to win games, injuries and trades occurred. He'll be averaging 22 plus to start the season.

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The canes beat writer today said Gagner for McBain is a possibility. What do Oilers fans think of that? As a canes fan I'd go for it.
I like McBain, I'd think about it

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Bozak is better than Gagner ....


No reason, just a straight up fact from the heavens.

Thanks, champ.

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